A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[sk7326]

They did not have to shed HIS salary.

 

Why did they absolutely HAVE to get rid of the best young slugger in the game? They should have gutted the team of everyone EXCEPT Stanton, then build around the best young power hitting in the game.

 

because major league baseball was so desperate to have dreamy derek jeter as a team frontman that they overlooked the fact that he and his partners HAD NONE OF THEIR OWN MONEY!!!! And somehow Mark Cuban could not get greenlighted.

[Spudboy]

because major league baseball was so desperate to have dreamy derek jeter as a team frontman that they overlooked the fact that he and his partners HAD NONE OF THEIR OWN MONEY!!!! And somehow Mark Cuban could not get greenlighted.

 

And Jeter was charged with bringing the payroll down by 40 million to no more than 90 million because the business plan does not work at any higher number.

 

That is what I read a while ago, anyway.

 

That franchise is f***ed. They have had a lot of talent over the years. They seem to just piss it away.

[cp176]

How much of those stinking fish does Jeter even own?

 

As much as I like hating on Jeter (I would have loved him in Boston though), I don't think that he is the one with the last word on all of the stupid things the Marlins might do.

[SCM33]

As much as I like hating on Jeter (I would have loved him in Boston though), I don't think that he is the one with the last word on all of the stupid things the Marlins might do.

 

Unfortunately for him, regardless, he is their face. Their success or failure will solely be blamed on him.

[moonslav59]

As much as I like hating on Jeter (I would have loved him in Boston though), I don't think that he is the one with the last word on all of the stupid things the Marlins might do.

 

Jeter sucked.

 

I'd have hated him anywhere he played.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes he’s the face of the Marlins now, but at their salary levels, teams can be competitive. You don’t overpay for a team then lose money. They had one SP and no relief. Their staff was putrid and they were already losing money. A rebuild was in the offing to keep from bankrupting the newly acquired franchise. The Ozuna deal gained a lot of big league ready prospects. The Stanton deal gained two intriguing long term prospects. Castro will likely return something useful. I’d assume Bour and Yelich will return something useful. They need to rebuild and while most non acquiring teams don’t like it, that’s business

[Larry Cook]

How does Miami keep cranking out stud players and pitchers, yet we barely muster 1 starter per decade?

[harmony]

The Red Sox have posted a fellowship opening in the front office:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/job-posting-boston-red-sox-david-ortiz-fellowship/

[Bellhorn04]

Jeter sucked.

 

I'd have hated him anywhere he played.

 

Very fair-minded and objective LOL

[sk7326]

Yes he’s the face of the Marlins now, but at their salary levels, teams can be competitive. You don’t overpay for a team then lose money. They had one SP and no relief. Their staff was putrid and they were already losing money. A rebuild was in the offing to keep from bankrupting the newly acquired franchise. The Ozuna deal gained a lot of big league ready prospects - although still less than you'd expect for a guy coming off of that season with that level of salary control. The Stanton deal gained two intriguing long term prospects. Castro will likely return something useful. I’d assume Bour and Yelich will return something useful. They need to rebuild and while most non acquiring teams don’t like it, that’s business

 

They were further along than say the Padres. They traded Dee Gordon for basically nothing, Stanton for a couple of very far away guys ... Castro probably nets a mid-level prospect and a sack of potatoes. They have not converted their players into assets largely - just salary relief. And this is salary relief that came because they were greenlighted by MLB despite having so little of their own money. Somehow they cannot operate despite having a new stadium more or less gifted to them by the city. You take that - as well as letting go some of the actual popular Marlins-brand figures, taking a genuinely weird approach with Stanton.

 

Now Jeter is getting a bit of a bad rap. The real money man, Bruce Sherman (who picked the Miami Herald clean) was bound to do this. If he did not have YEAH JEETS! as a partner, he ends up not really being any better than Jeff Loria. It is funny as hell that ARod in their post playing incarnations comes off much more likeable - but that's just me.

Edited December 15, 2017 by sk7326

[moonslav59]

Very fair-minded and objective LOL

 

Totally objective.

 

He was the worst fielding SS (who played over a decade) I've seen in my lifetime.

[moonslav59]

They were further along than say the Padres. They traded Dee Gordon for basically nothing, Stanton for a couple of very far away guys ... Castro probably nets a mid-level prospect and a sack of potatoes. They have not converted their players into assets largely - just salary relief. And this is salary relief that came because they were greenlighted by MLB despite having so little of their own money. Somehow they cannot operate despite having a new stadium more or less gifted to them by the city. You take that - as well as letting go some of the actual popular Marlins-brand figures, taking a genuinely weird approach with Stanton.

 

Now Jeter is getting a bit of a bad rap. The real money man, Bruce Sherman (who picked the Miami Herald clean) was bound to do this. If he did not have YEAH JEETS! as a partner, he ends up not really being any better than Jeff Loria. It is funny as hell that ARod in their post playing incarnations comes off much more likeable - but that's just me.

 

Look who the Yanks got for a few rentals.

 

Look who the Mariins got for gems with several years of team control.

 

Case dismissed.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR reports....

 

The Pirates and Yankees are discussing a trade that would send right-hander Gerrit Cole to the Bronx Bombers in exchange for a trade package that includes outfielder Clint Frazier, George A. King III of the New York Post reports.

[Bellhorn04]

Totally objective.

 

He was the worst fielding SS (who played over a decade) I've seen in my lifetime.

 

Still a 70+ WAR career.

[S5Dewey]

Still a 70+ WAR career.

 

You're not helping build a case for WAR, you know.

[moonslav59]

Still a 70+ WAR career.

 

Alternative facts.

[Emp9]

Still a 70+ WAR career.

 

well christ, he played 20 years. lol

[Bellhorn04]

Alternative facts.

 

I must have missed the part in your post that said 'as a defender'.

[Carpin]

Look who the Yanks got for a few rentals.

 

Look who the Mariins got for gems with several years of team control.

 

Case dismissed.

 

The Yankees were dealing form strength, the Marlins not, everybody knows that they have to get rid of those salaries, that took all the leverage out of the conversations

[Station 13]

moon's mancrush Zack Cozart is going to the Angels.

[sk7326]

The Yankees were dealing form strength, the Marlins not, everybody knows that they have to get rid of those salaries, that took all the leverage out of the conversations

 

The Marlins created that situation by:

 

1. Not having any money

2. Not being particularly proactive with Stanton - or even communicating intent. They don't owe the reigning MVP an explanation statutorily - but it's a baffling way to do bidness especially when he held all the leverage. Maybe he doesn't cooperate more with them - but they never gave him any real chance to.

3. Lots of teams have fire sales - it happens all the time. Few have gotten so little back relatively. At least one of these trades would have gotten you tossed out of your roto league.

[sk7326]

moon's mancrush Zack Cozart is going to the Angels.

 

Angels are paying a 32 year old for 3 years who came off of a single good season - mozel tov to them

[Carpin]

The Marlins created that situation by:

 

1. Not having any money

2. Not being particularly proactive with Stanton - or even communicating intent. They don't owe the reigning MVP an explanation statutorily - but it's a baffling way to do bidness especially when he held all the leverage. Maybe he doesn't cooperate more with them - but they never gave him any real chance to.

3. Lots of teams have fire sales - it happens all the time. Few have gotten so little back relatively. At least one of these trades would have gotten you tossed out of your roto league.

 

Exactly, the biggest mistake for the Marlins was to tip their hand, everybody knew they were short in cash but it was just speculation, when they confirmed their goal for payroll they lost all the leverage in trade discussions

[moonslav59]

One more down...

 

Phillies Agree To Terms With Carlos Santana

 

[moonslav59]

Angels Sign Zack Cozart

 

[oldtimer]

One more down...

 

Phillies Agree To Terms With Carlos Santana

 

 

Yes, and that eliminates a direction that the Sox might well have taken. I hate to be put into a corner and be forced to take a player for a long term contract at high dollars.

[jacksonianmarch]

Santana took the high AAV over the bigger guarantee. Kudos to him. I pegged him for 5 years $85 mil at the outset of FA. If he hits like he has been for those 3 seasons, then the $17.5 mil option will be kicked in and he’ll nab 4 yrs $77.5 mil. Either way, he got paid well.

[moonslav59]

Santana took the high AAV over the bigger guarantee. Kudos to him. I pegged him for 5 years $85 mil at the outset of FA. If he hits like he has been for those 3 seasons, then the $17.5 mil option will be kicked in and he’ll nab 4 yrs $77.5 mil. Either way, he got paid well.

 

I thought he'd get $62M/4.

 

Yes, he was overpaid, but I think I'd rather pay $78M/4 than trade the rest of our farm for Abreu at about #38M/2.

[moonslav59]

Still plenty out there...

 

MLBTR top free agents....

 

1. Darvish- available

2. JD Martinez- available

3. Eric Hosmer- available

4. Arrieta- available

5. Tanaka- (Did not opt out with Yankees.)

6. Moustakas- available

7. L. Cain- available

8. Wade Davis- available

9. Lance Lynn- available

10. Greg Holland- available

11. Alex Cobb- available

12. C. Santana- Phillies ($60M/3)

13. Z Cozart- LAA ($38M/3)

14. J Bruce- available

15. L Morrison- available

 

(Justin Upton $106M/5)

 

 

 

 

 

[notin]

Angels Sign Zack Cozart

 

 

Good luck hitting anything through the left side of that infield...