If you could reverse any trade/FA signing in Sox history, what would it be?

[Slasher9]

im glad we sold babe ruth. it made 2004 that much better. trust me when i say, no fanbase on the planet has ever felt what we got to feel that October.

 

worst: espinoza for pomeranz.

[mvp 78]

im glad we sold babe ruth. it made 2004 that much better. trust me when i say, no fanbase on the planet has ever felt what we got to feel that October.

 

worst: espinoza for pomeranz.

 

The Cubs?

[Slasher9]

The Cubs?

 

not even close.

how many game 7 WS losses? How many times did we have to watch our hated rival win the WS?

yes, the cubs fans suffered for a long time. but they werent having bamboo shoots shoved under their fingernails throughout the wait....

[Fisk]

not even close.

how many game 7 WS losses? How many times did we have to watch our hated rival win the WS?

yes, the cubs fans suffered for a long time. but they werent having bamboo shoots shoved under their fingernails throughout the wait....

 

The sox definitely had more devastating moments. 7 game losses in 46, 67,75 and 86 World Series. (With 86 being on a level all its own.) single game playoff losses in 48 and 78, along with blowing a 14 game lead in 78. Then blowing a nice lead in game 7 in 2003 to the hated Yankees. All gut punches.

[a700hitter]

The sox definitely had more devastating moments. 7 game losses in 46, 67,75 and 86 World Series. (With 86 being on a level all its own.) single game playoff losses in 48 and 78, along with blowing a 14 game lead in 78. Then blowing a nice lead in game 7 in 2003 to the hated Yankees. All gut punches.

At least we had excitement many years. The Cubs were consistent suck except for a few years with Prior and Wood.

[Fisk]

At least we had excitement many years. The Cubs were consistent suck except for a few years with Prior and Wood.

Your right, but it always ended with that gut punch.

[Bellhorn04]

2004 was the ultimate because we not only finally won, we did it by pulling off an impossible comeback against the Yankees.

[mvp 78]

not even close.

how many game 7 WS losses? How many times did we have to watch our hated rival win the WS?

yes, the cubs fans suffered for a long time. but they werent having bamboo shoots shoved under their fingernails throughout the wait....

 

The Cardinals won a s*** ton of WS.

 

The Cubs 2003 was just as bad as ours.

[a700hitter]

The Cardinals won a s*** ton of WS.

 

The Cubs 2003 was just as bad as ours.

Worse for Bartman.

[Bellhorn04]

The Cubs 2003 was just as bad as ours.

 

Eerily similar. Both teams had 3 run leads with 5 outs to go.

[devildavid]

Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena. Arroyo has been a mediocre but serviceable starter almost every year since and would have been a huge relief in all the intervening times the rotation was being pieced together due to injury. Pena gave the Sox one memorable grand slam in a game against Baltimore and was largely irrelevant otherwise, and has already faded into the obscure statistical history he was always destined for.

 

Thank you.

[Fisk]

2004 was the ultimate because we not only finally won, we did it by pulling off an impossible comeback against the Yankees.

 

The perfect ending.

[Jasonbay44]

In my life so far Pablo Sandoval. Crawford is up there as well, but at least the signing and then trade of him subsequently led to a word series championship. Pablo has been a massive lard of s***, who doesn't look like he's ever going to be a useful player, especially for his cost and has absolutely no value around the league

[notin]

Definitely not the worst, but one awful trade no one ever talks about was trading Jamie Moyer for Darren Bragg. In order to get a sub par offensive corner outfielder who went on to a career a a journeyman utility player, the Sox have up a left handed pitcher who went on to pitch for 15 more seasons and win 195 more games with an ERA+ of 107 in that span and even spent a few seasons in Seattle at the best LHP in the American League.

 

But then giving up talented southpaws for bench fodder isn't anything new to Sox fans, as the Spaceman would remind us...

[notin]

Rusney Castillo deserves some mention as one of, if not the worst contracts in Sox history. ..

[Kimmi]

Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena. Arroyo has been a mediocre but serviceable starter almost every year since and would have been a huge relief in all the intervening times the rotation was being pieced together due to injury. Pena gave the Sox one memorable grand slam in a game against Baltimore and was largely irrelevant otherwise, and has already faded into the obscure statistical history he was always destined for.

 

I am Theo's biggest fan, but I haven't forgiven him for that one. Not because of the value of the trade, but because of the way they misled Arroyo.

[notin]

The Lackey trade was a bad one for a slew of reasons, especially since his whole threat of retirement was based on the fact that Tony Massarotti can't read...

[notin]

I am Theo's biggest fan, but I haven't forgiven him for that one. Not because of the value of the trade, but because of the way they misled Arroyo.

 

That trade was awful because it was a knife in the back of Bronson Arroyo. Although the initial offer was Matt Clement...

[Kimmi]

The Lackey trade was a bad one for a slew of reasons, especially since his whole threat of retirement was based on the fact that Tony Massarotti can't read...

 

The Lackey trade looks really bad in hindsight, but I had no problem with it at the time it occurred.

[notin]

The Lackey trade looks really bad in hindsight, but I had no problem with it at the time it occurred.

 

I did.

 

First thing I heard was the sox got a pitcher and an outfielder. I was hoping they landed a decent prospect or two. I was very disappointed to hear they got Allen Craig, whose downward spiral had already started. ..

[Jasonbay44]

I did.

 

First thing I heard was the sox got a pitcher and an outfielder. I was hoping they landed a decent prospect or two. I was very disappointed to hear they got Allen Craig, whose downward spiral had already started. ..

That was the reaction a majority of this site had, no one was too high on Craig and Kelly, it was a trade that looked bad at the time, and ended up being worse than ever imagined

[S5Dewey]

I am Theo's biggest fan, but I haven't forgiven him for that one. Not because of the value of the trade, but because of the way they misled Arroyo.

 

They way the FO misled Arroyo pissed me off as much as anything they've done, but at the same time it was what they now call a "learning experience". Arroyo signed a "team friendly" contract because he wanted to stay in Boston, and they immediately used that contract to make him more tradeable. I found that to be, to use a current word, deplorable.

 

The thing to be learned from for players is to NEVER sign a team friendly contract. Take every penny you can get and laugh all the way to the bank.

[moonslav59]

They way the FO misled Arroyo pissed me off as much as anything they've done, but at the same time it was what they now call a "learning experience". Arroyo signed a "team friendly" contract because he wanted to stay in Boston, and they immediately used that contract to make him more tradeable. I found that to be, to use a current word, deplorable.

 

The thing to be learned from for players is to NEVER sign a team friendly contract. Take every penny you can get and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

If it was so team friendly, he should have demanded a no-trade clause.

 

I get your point, though.

[Wade Boggs]

Besides the Sale and I guess Kimbrel deal , all of DD trades and F/A signings.

 

Third base is a hole.

 

Moreland is average. His glove is nothing great. When Ramirez played over there raw ,he was ten times better, same when they had Napoli.

 

No outfield depth with Bradley hitting the way he is.

 

I didn't even get into Price, Thornburg , Smith

[Kimmi]

I did.

 

First thing I heard was the sox got a pitcher and an outfielder. I was hoping they landed a decent prospect or two. I was very disappointed to hear they got Allen Craig, whose downward spiral had already started. ..

 

I disagree about Craig's downward spiral already starting. His 'downward spiral' was due to injury. IMO, it was reasonable to think that Craig could rebound once he was healthy.

 

As far as landing prospects for Lackey, I get that sentiment. However, while they were not prospects, both Kelly and Craig were under team control for several years. They could have helped the team for several years from the trade date, had they performed to expectations. Acquiring them was a message to the team and to the fans that the FO was not tanking that year. I thought it was a good trade.

[Kimmi]

They way the FO misled Arroyo pissed me off as much as anything they've done, but at the same time it was what they now call a "learning experience". Arroyo signed a "team friendly" contract because he wanted to stay in Boston, and they immediately used that contract to make him more tradeable. I found that to be, to use a current word, deplorable.

 

The thing to be learned from for players is to NEVER sign a team friendly contract. Take every penny you can get and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

Yeah, it really ticked me off too. While Theo never directly said that he would not trade Arroyo, from what Arroyo has said, he was strongly led to believe that he would not be traded.

 

The whole idea that baseball is a business and that the bottom line is money just bothers me, and that goes both ways, on management's side and the player's side. I would like to see more deals made out of 'loyalty', for lack of a better word.

[Kimmi]

Besides the Sale and I guess Kimbrel deal , all of DD trades and F/A signings.

 

Third base is a hole.

 

Moreland is average. His glove is nothing great. When Ramirez played over there raw ,he was ten times better, same when they had Napoli.

 

No outfield depth with Bradley hitting the way he is.

 

I didn't even get into Price, Thornburg , Smith

 

Ha. I was going to list letting Theo go and the Dombrowski signing (letting Ben go) as my top two moves that I would like to undo. But they're not players so I listed something else.

 

But those would really be #1 and #2. Oh, and letting Francona go would be up there too.

[Emp9]

not even close.

how many game 7 WS losses? How many times did we have to watch our hated rival win the WS?

yes, the cubs fans suffered for a long time. but they werent having bamboo shoots shoved under their fingernails throughout the wait....

 

That WAS the worst, let me tell ya'. Although my typo percentage has gotten better since 2004.

[Bellhorn04]

Ha. I was going to list letting Theo go and the Dombrowski signing (letting Ben go) as my top two moves that I would like to undo. But they're not players so I listed something else.

 

But those would really be #1 and #2. Oh, and letting Francona go would be up there too.

 

Letting Theo go was an epic blunder.

[a700hitter]

They way the FO misled Arroyo pissed me off as much as anything they've done, but at the same time it was what they now call a "learning experience". Arroyo signed a "team friendly" contract because he wanted to stay in Boston, and they immediately used that contract to make him more tradeable. I found that to be, to use a current word, deplorable.

 

The thing to be learned from for players is to NEVER sign a team friendly contract. Take every penny you can get and laugh all the way to the bank.

Team friendly contracts are for suckers. The minute you are no longer useful to the organization they usher you out of town accompanied by bad press so the fans will think they made the right decision. It is their MO, and they are money grubbing fiends.