Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[moonslav59]

And the added payroll cost of JBJ.

 

We’re already near last years AAV total, and Bloom has said he’s not done.

[Hugh2]

So again, why is this year supposed to be year 1? There are no indications they are going over the luxury tax calc this year.

 

I would say takin on millions of dollars of payroll for some AA prospects is pretty good indication you don't care about the luxury tax this year. Hey I could be wrong, but I actually think their moves indicate they are comfortable going over.

 

Let also not forget (lock out be damned) the offseason is technically not over, the market is loaded with talent and the trade market exists too.

[moonslav59]

I would say takin on millions of dollars of payroll for some AA prospects is pretty good indication you don't care about the luxury tax this year. Hey I could be wrong, but I actually think their moves indicate they are comfortable going over.

 

Let also not forget (lock out be damned) the offseason is technically not over, the market is loaded with talent and the trade market exists too.

 

If Bloom was right about adding a bat and pen help, we almost have to go over the tax line, unless we trade for cheap players or dump some of our salary somehow.

[mvp 78]

We’re already near last years AAV total, and Bloom has said he’s not done.

 

He stated he's still looking for short relievers but that's about it.

[mvp 78]

I would say takin on millions of dollars of payroll for some AA prospects is pretty good indication you don't care about the luxury tax this year. Hey I could be wrong, but I actually think their moves indicate they are comfortable going over.

 

Let also not forget (lock out be damned) the offseason is technically not over, the market is loaded with talent and the trade market exists too.

 

Disagree. People said they took on Ottavino last year for German.

[Bellhorn04]

Disagree. People said they took on Ottavino last year for German.

 

Well, we did get a decent late inning reliever on a 1 year contract at approximate market price, so we didn't pay a lot for German.

[moonslav59]

He stated he's still looking for short relievers but that's about it.

 

And a RH’d bat

[mvp 78]

And a RH’d bat

 

Jose Iglesias

[mvp 78]

Jose Iglesias

 

Realistically it'll be someone like Tommy Pham.

[moonslav59]

Realistically it'll be someone like Tommy Pham.

 

Why is Iggy not as realistic as Pham?

 

We know Bloom likes Iggy, already.

[notin]

He stated he's still looking for short relievers but that's about it.

 

I never believe these guys anymore. No way he tells the whole story to the media…

[notin]

Realistically it'll be someone like Tommy Pham.

 

McCutchen. Pham hasn’t been the same since he got stabbed…

[mvp 78]

I never believe these guys anymore. No way he tells the whole story to the media…

 

There isn't much benefit to revealing your entire plans to the media.

[mvp 78]

McCutchen. Pham hasn’t been the same since he got stabbed…

 

I like McCutchen. I feel like the Sox will grab someone that we all collectively shrug our shoulders over.

[moonslav59]

I like McCutchen. I feel like the Sox will grab someone that we all collectively shrug our shoulders over.

 

He does have nasty splits!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I never believe these guys anymore. No way he tells the whole story to the media…

 

Whadaya mean: Two days ago we didn't even have Jackie on our radar, but there just aren't that many true centerfielders out there, and now we have two, and you can never have enough, blah-blahblah-blah-yadayada

[Hugh2]

Disagree. People said they took on Ottavino last year for German.

 

But they stayed under the limit last year, they're going over it this year.

[Hugh2]

Sox paid tax in 2015 and 2016.

In 2017 they stayed under.

Sox went back over in 2018 and 2019.

Sox got back under for 2020 and 2021.

 

Sox have a history of getting under, resetting and going for it. They finished 2 games out from the WS last year with all the main pieces coming back and a much stronger system. If history is any precedent it's a good bet the Sox are going over this year.

 

I could be wrong here, I just briefly viewed the figures on COTS, the team as currently constructed is about 4 million under. If we believe they want to stay under in 2022 then we are effectively saying they're done. It's such a crappy place to be because we could debate this for the entire lockout while we are in wait and see, but I would semi surprised if they do not make additional moves before the 2022 season starts.

[moonslav59]

Sox paid tax in 2015 and 2016.

In 2017 they stayed under.

Sox went back over in 2018 and 2019.

Sox got back under for 2020 and 2021.

 

Sox have a history of getting under, resetting and going for it. They finished 2 games out from the WS last year with all the main pieces coming back and a much stronger system. If history is any precedent it's a good bet the Sox are going over this year.

 

I could be wrong here, I just briefly viewed the figures on COTS, the team as currently constructed is about 4 million under. If we believe they want to stay under in 2022 then we are effectively saying they're done. It's such a crappy place to be because we could debate this for the entire lockout while we are in wait and see, but I would semi surprised if they do not make additional moves before the 2022 season starts.

 

Our tax line history shows one previous time staying under for 3straight years and I think twice for 2 straight years.

 

This is not an outlier.

 

I do agree: we are not done.

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[mvp 78]

But they stayed under the limit last year, they're going over it this year.

 

They stayed under the limit in 2020 too. Why didn't they go over last year?

[notin]

They stayed under the limit in 2020 too. Why didn't they go over last year?

 

With Sale out, maybe they figured they wouldn’t be competitive so going over was opening that window too early. They did add money in July with Schwarber…

[moonslav59]

It makes sense to plan your big spending seasons at peaks, but I looked at 2022 as a sort of peak due to so many good players being on their last year of their contracts.

 

Maybe they are taking a longer view and want to create a wider window opening in the future.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Our tax line history shows one previous time staying under for 3straight years and I think twice for 2 straight years.

 

This is not an outlier.

 

I do agree: we are not done.

 

Posters still have to admit, though, that the Sox are just doing business differently now. Zero player contracts guaranteed for more than two years in the entire Bloom Era is a fact. The franchise bragged about resetting a few years ago, and some fans have been convinced renewed spending -- on star acquisitions -- is about to commence... ever since. Instead, success has been achieved by spending less money for less years on less sought-afters.

 

The other difference between the current front office and the days of Theo-Ben-Dave -- and this could just be more mass media coverage on more various and available platforms than ever before -- but never in history have the Red Sox been so "interested" in so many players... only to see 99.9% of them sign elsewhere. It used to be that the Sox locked up the majority of guys they wanted... unless the Yankees sniped an eBay bid in the last seconds.

[mvp 78]

With Sale out, maybe they figured they wouldn’t be competitive so going over was opening that window too early. They did add money in July with Schwarber…

 

But still stayed under the cap even when they saw they were very competitive.

[Old Red]

Posters still have to admit, though, that the Sox are just doing business differently now. Zero player contracts guaranteed for more than two years in the entire Bloom Era is a fact. The franchise bragged about resetting a few years ago, and some fans have been convinced renewed spending -- on star acquisitions -- is about to commence... ever since. Instead, success has been achieved by spending less money for less years on less sought-afters.

 

The other difference between the current front office and the days of Theo-Ben-Dave -- and this could just be more mass media coverage on more various and available platforms than ever before -- but never in history have the Red Sox been so "interested" in so many players... only to see 99.9% of them sign elsewhere. It used to be that the Sox locked up the majority of guys they wanted... unless the Yankees sniped an eBay bid in the last seconds.

 

Well said, and I’ve been saying since the off season began that how the Red Sox have done business in the past is the past, and Bloom wasn’t brought here to be like Dombrowski. Management said at the end of the season how they were to do business this offseason, and so far they have stuck to that plan, and to them being justified after getting into the post season last year. I don’t think JH wants to spend like he did in the past, and if he does I hope it’s on Bogey, and Raffy before he spends on anyone else. Next year will be the telltale sign after big contracts come off the books, but right now it’s short year contracts.

[moonslav59]

Posters still have to admit, though, that the Sox are just doing business differently now. Zero player contracts guaranteed for more than two years in the entire Bloom Era is a fact. The franchise bragged about resetting a few years ago, and some fans have been convinced renewed spending -- on star acquisitions -- is about to commence... ever since. Instead, success has been achieved by spending less money for less years on less sought-afters.

 

The other difference between the current front office and the days of Theo-Ben-Dave -- and this could just be more mass media coverage on more various and available platforms than ever before -- but never in history have the Red Sox been so "interested" in so many players... only to see 99.9% of them sign elsewhere. It used to be that the Sox locked up the majority of guys they wanted... unless the Yankees sniped an eBay bid in the last seconds.

Maybe the CBA running out gave Henry reason to pull back a bit, but this is not an outlier era. We have had 2-3 year lulls in spending before. Even the season Ben was allowed to spend big in followed a huge salary dump trade.

 

I’m not saying this is just the same ole same ole; ir does seem different, but am pretty sure Henry will spend big again. Maybe even after this CBA is enacted. Maybe next winter. I doubt this is some sort of extended frugal era.

[moonslav59]

But still stayed under the cap even when they saw they were very competitive.

 

And why not?

 

We stayed under in 2013, too.

 

[moonslav59]

Well said, and I’ve been saying since the off season began that how the Red Sox have done business in the past is the past, and Bloom wasn’t brought here to be like Dombrowski. Management said at the end of the season how they were to do business this offseason, and so far they have stuck to that plan, and to them being justified after getting into the post season last year. I don’t think JH wants to spend like he did in the past, and if he does I hope it’s on Bogey, and Raffy before he spends on anyone else. Next year will be the telltale sign after big contracts come off the books, but right now it’s short year contracts.

 

After Ben came DD.

 

How can any of us know how Henry will spend after the new CBA comes to be?

 

Yes, many of us assumed the trend of low spending for 1-3 years followed by big spending for 1-3 years would continue, but none of us know, if this low spending trend will last behind 3 years for the first time u dear Henry, and besides, the “low-spending” has still kept us in the top 3-5 spenders for a long time, now.

[Old Red]

After Ben came DD.

 

How can any of us know how Henry will spend after the new CBA comes to be?

 

Yes, many of us assumed the trend of low spending for 1-3 years followed by big spending for 1-3 years would continue, but none of us know, if this low spending trend will last behind 3 years for the first time u dear Henry, and besides, the “low-spending” has still kept us in the top 3-5 spenders for a long time, now.

 

I just think if they are going to spend big again that next year will be the year, and Bogey, and especially Raffy should come first.

[moonslav59]

I just think if they are going to spend big again that next year will be the year, and Bogey, and especially Raffy should come first.

 

Those two might be the major reason we have resisted long term deals for a while, now.

 

The Bogey and Sale deals were our last long ones.

 

The thing is, our budgets have remained large and pretty even for several years.

 

It’s not like we are spending way less. We have just been spreading it around to more p,Ayers, in part because our 40 man roster got as shallow as I’ve seen it under Henry.

 

Speaking of a shallow 40 man, when is the best time to “go for it?” To spend large to plug that last gap or two? IMO, it’s when your 40 is deep and your chances are highest for winning a ring and or opening up a multiple year window of opportunities for rings or glory.

 

I can see why 2020 and 2021 were not viewed in this light, and I felt like we were still 3-4 major pieces away from being top contenders for 2022, so maybe 2023 it is.