Josh Donaldson deadline deal?

[notin]

3 1/3 seasons from JBJ

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4 1/3 or more seasons from Marco

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a prospect

 

for

 

 

1/3 season from Donaldson?

 

I wouldn't do it. We'd have to find an OF'er this winter as well.

 

 

I'd give Devers a chance before we do anything major like this for a rental at 3B.

 

Toronto wouldn't do it either.

 

They don't need a centerfielder and Hernandez has no significant trade value. Any package for Donaldson likely starts with Devers and Groome. ..

[notin]

right, but that was known even when the Sox were looking to acquire him. Maybe things got worse? I wish they checked back with the Sox is all. It was just bad timing, i guess.

 

Reportedly the story was Cherington inquired and was told Donaldson was not available, so Cherington moved on to Plan B. Then Anthopoulous called and was also told Donaldson was not available and AA refused to go to his Plan B. Apparently he just kept calling Beane over and over to ask about Donaldson. At some point, Beane decided to see what Toronto had that he liked and proposed that package to AA. Why he liked Brett Lawrie will remain a mystery. ..

[Spudboy]

It seems to me that D.D. held onto Devers and Travis because they cover the two areas of impending need. The main focus now should be to lock up the " core four " and rebuild the farm. This team can win without Donaldson. Despite the sluggish start , this is a really talented group. No need to acquire every all star out there.

 

Sanity.

[notin]

It seems to me that D.D. held onto Devers and Travis because they cover the two areas of impending need. The main focus now should be to lock up the " core four " and rebuild the farm. This team can win without Donaldson. Despite the sluggish start , this is a really talented group. No need to acquire every all star out there.

 

Agreed.

 

If Sandoval is out for the year, I could see the Sox more likely going after someone like Oakland's Trevor Plouffe, who is an upgrade over Hernandez, is affordable with e what's left on the farm, won't push the Sox over the luxury tax limit, and won't block Devers if that becomes a factor.

 

And in a funny side note, auto correct turns "Plouffe" into "Playoffs"...

[Jasonbay44]

Call me crazy but I'd rather go for Adrian Beltre. The cost in assets would be less since he's older, he's also in range for a deadline deal, he's succeeded here before, and he's still getting it done at third base when healthy. Devers is killing it in Portland right now, there's no need to gum up the position with an expensive superstar. Buy the older veteran as long as his health looks good at the end of July, and use him to hold until Devers is good to go.

I like this a lot better than paying for Donaldson. We don't need a superstar, we just need someone who is average/above average. What were getting now is a pile of steaming s*** on offense and defense.

[Emp9]

Agreed.

 

If Sandoval is out for the year, I could see the Sox more likely going after someone like Oakland's Trevor Plouffe, who is an upgrade over Hernandez, is affordable with e what's left on the farm, won't push the Sox over the luxury tax limit, and won't block Devers if that becomes a factor.

 

And in a funny side note, auto correct turns "Plouffe" into "Playoffs"...

 

I can remember not having top prospects and still making decent trades for need. This used to happen right? lol

[Spudboy]

I can remember not having top prospects and still making decent trades for need. This used to happen right? lol

 

Especially with someone like Beane.

[SinceYaz]

When I opened the MLB.com there was a blurb about a Josh Donaldson deadline deal being a possibility this year. I didn't bother reading the story, but when I checked his contract status I realized it could easily happen. 2018 is his last arb year and walk year. The Jays are unlikely to retain him in free agency, and they may not be going anywhere this year, so it might be the appropriate time to get some young talent for him. If so the Sox might be one of the interested parties, though God knows what the Jays would be looking for...and God knows we don't have that much left to give. But it's another story to watch, at least.

 

 

Agreed

[Kimmi]

It's all worth it if we win the WS. I think.

 

I agree with this. I have not been a fan of what Dombrowski has given up to build this team, but if we win World Series or three, then it's all worth it.

[notin]

I can remember not having top prospects and still making decent trades for need. This used to happen right? lol

 

 

First, you're probably underlying Plouffe, who most definitely is an upgrade and has a nice Fenway swing. I know he isn't a big name all star, but the inability to land one shouldn't be a reason to stand pat and continue with a utility infielder at third. Second, there was a lot of criteria thst he meets, including luxury tax criteria, that won't be met if the Sox acquire Adrian Beltre, and control criteria as well. Plouffe and a few others like the oft-injured Mike Moustakas and the even-more-oft-injured Jed Lowrie, have the potential to meet a lot of requirements...

[moonslav59]

First, you're probably underlying Plouffe, who most definitely is an upgrade and has a nice Fenway swing. I know he isn't a big name all star, but the inability to land one shouldn't be a reason to stand pat and continue with a utility infielder at third. Second, there was a lot of criteria thst he meets, including luxury tax criteria, that won't be met if the Sox acquire Adrian Beltre, and control criteria as well. Plouffe and a few others like the oft-injured Mike Moustakas and the even-more-oft-injured Jed Lowrie, have the potential to meet a lot of requirements...

 

Beltre makes $18M. If we trade for him at the 2/3 season mark, his luxury tax hit would be just $6M this year. We'd be under the tax this year, but the hit would hurt next year.

 

I agree, if we go out and get a 3Bman, it should be a 1 year rental to carry us to Devers and a minimum contract. (like Todd Frazier?)

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW guys, you are missing the most likely guy to hit the market at the hot corner. Mike Moustakas is a FA after the season and there is no way he re-signs in KC. There will be a major market for him.

[Station 13]

BTW guys, you are missing the most likely guy to hit the market at the hot corner. Mike Moustakas is a FA after the season and there is no way he re-signs in KC. There will be a major market for him.

 

Overrated and sub .300 OBP. Major market? , really jacko?

[jacksonianmarch]

Last full season was 2015 due to an ACL injury. Hit 22 homers with a .818OPS. This year, he's up to a .837OPS. He's more of a free swinger for sure, but he is more patient than the first month showed. He also makes a lot of contact. Aside from Donaldson, name another 3B who is better who is at risk for being dealt?

 

BTW, he had a 4.4WAR in 2015 as well

[Nick]

Plenty of talk about lack of production at 3B.

 

Dusting Pedroia, apparently playing for another team these days, is 28th in OPS among 2B. Although he is playing his usual great second base.

[mvp 78]

Plenty of talk about lack of production at 3B.

 

Dusting Pedroia, apparently playing for another team these days, is 28th in OPS among 2B. Although he is playing his usual great second base.

 

He's a singles hitter now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pedroia had a Chase Headley-esque April with 1EBH for the month. The thing that is at least useful for you guys is that he is still reaching base close to 35% of the time. He is a small statured player who will turn 34 in 3 months. He will likely start showing some power, but it is fair to ask whether the best from DP is behind him

[Dojji]

Pedroia's come back after tough starts before. Not worried about him nearly as much as the terrible situation we've made for ourself at third base.

[mvp 78]

Yup, should have traded him when he had value.

[Station 13]

Last full season was 2015 due to an ACL injury. Hit 22 homers with a .818OPS. This year, he's up to a .837OPS. He's more of a free swinger for sure, but he is more patient than the first month showed. He also makes a lot of contact. Aside from Donaldson, name another 3B who is better who is at risk for being dealt?

 

BTW, he had a 4.4WAR in 2015 as well

 

really, nothing about Moustakas stood out. Mediocre player. Not something I would give up a ton for. he is better than the turds we got out now I give you that.

[mvp 78]

Mediocre is better than what we have now. He wouldn't cost much either because he's a FA this year.

[a700hitter]

really, nothing about Moustakas stood out. Mediocre player. Not something I would give up a ton for. he is better than the turds we got out now I give you that.

He is an outstanding fielder. He would solve the defense problem at 3B.

[S5Dewey]

Plenty of talk about lack of production at 3B.

 

Dusting Pedroia, apparently playing for another team these days, is 28th in OPS among 2B. Although he is playing his usual great second base.

 

Two players, Pedroia and JBJ who have a low OPS but both of them are among the best at their position defensively.

 

I know I keep railing on about this, but IMO we tend to focus too much on offensive stats because they're easier to understand. Both of those guys are worth having on the team because of their defense in spite of their low OPS.

[Station 13]

He is an outstanding fielder. He would solve the defense problem at 3B.

 

I'm looking at some offensive productions, this infield is not delivering. But that type of clowns plays at 3B is simply intolerable. I didn't know he is soon to be a FA, thought he was one of those KC re-sign after their run. If it doesn't cost a ton, might be worth a shot. I am NOT looking forward to Pablo, Holt, Marrero, etc at 3B.

[Emp9]

First, you're probably underlying Plouffe, who most definitely is an upgrade and has a nice Fenway swing. I know he isn't a big name all star, but the inability to land one shouldn't be a reason to stand pat and continue with a utility infielder at third. Second, there was a lot of criteria thst he meets, including luxury tax criteria, that won't be met if the Sox acquire Adrian Beltre, and control criteria as well. Plouffe and a few others like the oft-injured Mike Moustakas and the even-more-oft-injured Jed Lowrie, have the potential to meet a lot of requirements...

 

No, quite the opposite really. I'm all for quick fixing 3B until Devers is ready. 3B is obviously the biggest hole we have defense-wise. I'd rather not have to give up the blue chips we have left, however tempting Donaldson might be.

[Nick]

All we had to do was re-sign Andre Beltre back in 2011. Perfect for Fenway, a gamer, plays good defense.

 

We've been on a wild goose chase ever since.

[a700hitter]

All we had to do was re-sign Andre Beltre back in 2011. Perfect for Fenway, a gamer, plays good defense.

 

We've been on a wild goose chase ever since.

Yep, not resigning him was a huge mistake. letting him go, moving Youk to 3rd and getting AGon (while losing Rizzo) was a huge unnecessary misstep by Theo.

[Bellhorn04]

Yup, should have traded him when he had value.

 

You've been saying that for years though.

 

Vulture.

[devildavid]

He's a singles hitter now.

 

Too early to say that. He had one of his best seasons in 2016. The laser show ain't over yet.

[moonslav59]

Yup, should have traded him when he had value.

 

So true.

 

I caight a lot of crap on "that other site" for suggesting we trade Holt way back when...