Josh Donaldson deadline deal?

[Bellhorn04]

So true.

 

I caight a lot of crap on "that other site" for suggesting we trade Holt way back when...

 

mvp is talking about Pedroia.

[devildavid]

So true.

 

I caight a lot of crap on "that other site" for suggesting we trade Holt way back when...

 

And you'll still catch crap from me. Holt is a great utility player. His recent problem with injuries and health were unforeseeable. Healthy, I want him on the Sox bench.

[Thunder]

Agreed. Holt should go nowhere. He's a gap filler, as I like to call it. You can't pay for that kind of versatility. Even his bat can be relied upon (for the most part). Now, mvp's been berating Pedroia for a long time, and I'm starting to turn the corner on that issue. If we absolutely had to, I can see a situation when trading Pedey would be a good idea.

[moonslav59]

mvp is talking about Pedroia.

 

As our not-so-great ex-governor would say,

 

"Oooops!"

[moonslav59]

And you'll still catch crap from me. Holt is a great utility player. His recent problem with injuries and health were unforeseeable. Healthy, I want him on the Sox bench.

 

He's only a plus fielder at 2B- our position of least need.

 

We should have traded him while his stock was higher.

 

With Hernandez, Devers and Travis all knocking at the door, it's time to change the old guard out.

[mvp 78]

You've been saying that for years though.

 

Vulture.

 

Nope. TS hipster.

[mvp 78]

So true.

 

I caight a lot of crap on "that other site" for suggesting we trade Holt way back when...

 

You would have been right too.

 

To me, all player's are available at the right cost.

[mvp 78]

Too early to say that. He had one of his best seasons in 2016. The laser show ain't over yet.

 

In April, he slugged .303.

 

Last April, he slugged .485. The worst month he had last year was June where he slugged .353.

 

April 2017 was Pedroia's worst month in many years, by a lot. I just think his age and injury history is catching up to him.

[devildavid]

He's only a plus fielder at 2B- our position of least need.

 

We should have traded him while his stock was higher.

 

With Hernandez, Devers and Travis all knocking at the door, it's time to change the old guard out.

 

I think Holt's versatility gives him tremendous value. Even if he isn't a plus defender, he can actually play most positions in a pinch without really hurting the chances of winning a game. maybe you should look at him like the knuckleballer of position players. Unique, in a positive, valuable way.

[mvp 78]

I think Holt's versatility gives him tremendous value. Even if he isn't a plus defender, he can actually play most positions in a pinch without really hurting the chances of winning a game. maybe you should look at him like the knuckleballer of position players. Unique, in a positive, valuable way.

 

Well, he's better than Rutledge and more versatile than Marco that's for sure. I wonder how much run he'll get at 3B when he comes back from the DL.

[devildavid]

In April, he slugged .303.

 

Last April, he slugged .485. The worst month he had last year was June where he slugged .353.

 

April 2017 was Pedroia's worst month in many years, by a lot. I just think his age and injury history is catching up to him.

 

He's not done yet, by a long shot. He hit .288 with a .360 OBP in April.

[mvp 78]

He's not done yet, by a long shot. He hit .288 with a .360 OBP in April.

 

I don't think he's "done." I just think he could be a singles hitter now. There's much less value to Pedroia if he isn't getting doubles and 10+ hr's. The lack of XBH is fairly concerning to me.

 

He's also been VERY pull heavy this year. I applauded him last year when he was hitting to all fields. He has taken a huge step back in that regard too.

[devildavid]

I don't think he's "done." I just think he could be a singles hitter now. There's much less value to Pedroia if he isn't getting doubles and 10+ hr's. The lack of XBH is fairly concerning to me.

 

He's also been VERY pull heavy this year. I applauded him last year when he was hitting to all fields. He has taken a huge step back in that regard too.

 

Pedroia just needs to get on base. He is capable of hitting more doubles, HR's are just a bonus. I expect his doubles production to increase, along with much of the rest of the team. Fenway is a doubles park and Pedroia will get his share this season.

[cp176]

Pedroia just needs to get on base. He is capable of hitting more doubles, HR's are just a bonus. I expect his doubles production to increase, along with much of the rest of the team. Fenway is a doubles park and Pedroia will get his share this season.

 

i don't think that just getting on base is enough for this team in general these days. If it were not for Hanley, there would a power shortage the likes of which I have not seen in my 60+ years of following this team.

[Spudboy]

I don't think he's "done." I just think he could be a singles hitter now. There's much less value to Pedroia if he isn't getting doubles and 10+ hr's. The lack of XBH is fairly concerning to me.

 

He's also been VERY pull heavy this year. I applauded him last year when he was hitting to all fields. He has taken a huge step back in that regard too.

 

All obvious concerns.

 

But it is still early.

[Bellhorn04]

All obvious concerns.

 

But it is still early.

 

Indeedily.

[mvp 78]

i don't think that just getting on base is enough for this team in general these days. If it were not for Hanley, there would a power shortage the likes of which I have not seen in my 60+ years of following this team.

 

In your 60 years of watching the team, the worst OPS teams were:

1968 - .666

1992 - .668 (Butch Hobson)

2014 - .684 (thanks Ben!)

1966 - .686

1972 - .694

1961 - .708

1974 - .711

2017 - .714

 

The worst SLG teams:

1992 - .347

1968 - .352

2014 - .369

1961 - .374

1966 - .376

1972 - .376

1974 - .377

2017 - .380

 

In terms of my lifetime, the absolute worst year was definitely 1992. Just horrible offense that year. The only offensive player above 2 wins was Boggs at 2.1 WAR. Yuck.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1992.shtml

[mvp 78]

That 2014 team was terrible too. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2014.shtml

[mvp 78]

XBH per year for Pedroia:

2006 - 6 (one month)

2007 - 48

2008 - 73

2009 - 64

2010 - 37 (half season due to injury)

2011 - 61

2012 - 57

2013 - 53

2014 - 40

2015 - 32 (injured end of July - early Sept)

2016 - 52

2017 - 7 (prorated for full season)

[mvp 78]

Pedroia's salary:

2017 15M

2018 16M

2019 15M

2020 13M

2021 12M

 

At what point is he no longer worth it? When is this the albatross that complain about? Or does having a dirty uni make up for it?

[Station 13]

Pedroia's salary:

2017 15M

2018 16M

2019 15M

2020 13M

2021 12M

 

At what point is he no longer worth it? When is this the albatross that complain about? Or does having a dirty uni make up for it?

 

His mouth is worth it for the next 5 year.

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia's salary:

2017 15M

2018 16M

2019 15M

2020 13M

2021 12M

 

At what point is he no longer worth it? When is this the albatross that complain about? Or does having a dirty uni make up for it?

 

Where is his defense and his WAR? At today's rates a 2 WAR player is worth about 15 million.

[mvp 78]

Where is his defense and his WAR? At today's rates a 2 WAR player is worth about 15 million.

 

If he plays defense like he did in 2015, he won't be worth jack.

[devildavid]

i don't think that just getting on base is enough for this team in general these days. If it were not for Hanley, there would a power shortage the likes of which I have not seen in my 60+ years of following this team.

 

Pedroia is a doubles hitter and should not be expected to provide many HRs. I expected Mookie and Hanley to be our two biggest HR bats. Bogey is more a doubles power hitter than HRs as well. Sox will be missing a bit of HR power with Ortiz gone. They need to make this up with good overall hitting and an increase in doubles. HRs will be probably more evenly divided but will probably go down some in total. They should be able to produce runs even though the month of April did not have much evidence of this.

[devildavid]

Pedroia's salary:

2017 15M

2018 16M

2019 15M

2020 13M

2021 12M

 

At what point is he no longer worth it? When is this the albatross that complain about? Or does having a dirty uni make up for it?

 

It isn't the dirty uni but the effort that makes it dirty that makes him valuable.

[mvp 78]

It isn't the dirty uni but the effort that makes it dirty that makes him valuable.

 

I cheer for results, not effort. I don't hand out participation trophies.

[Bellhorn04]

If he plays defense like he did in 2015, he won't be worth jack.

 

2015 was a bad year for him but he still had a 2.0 WAR in 93 games. Last year he had a 5.6 WAR. This year he's off to a slow start so you're hovering like a buzzard.

[notin]

XBH per year for Pedroia:

2006 - 6 (one month)

2007 - 48

2008 - 73

2009 - 64

2010 - 37 (half season due to injury)

2011 - 61

2012 - 57

2013 - 53

2014 - 40

2015 - 32 (injured end of July - early Sept)

2016 - 52

2017 - 7 (prorated for full season)

 

Pedroia does have the worst ISO in MLB for any player with 90 plate appearances. But then Bogaerts is fourth worst in MLB. Should he be traded too?

[a700hitter]

Pedey is a notorious slow starter.

[cp176]

In your 60 years of watching the team, the worst OPS teams were:

1968 - .666

1992 - .668 (Butch Hobson)

2014 - .684 (thanks Ben!)

1966 - .686

1972 - .694

1961 - .708

1974 - .711

2017 - .714

 

The worst SLG teams:

1992 - .347

1968 - .352

2014 - .369

1961 - .374

1966 - .376

1972 - .376

1974 - .377

2017 - .380

 

In terms of my lifetime, the absolute worst year was definitely 1992. Just horrible offense that year. The only offensive player above 2 wins was Boggs at 2.1 WAR. Yuck.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1992.shtml

 

Jesus Christ (sorry) you are s***ing me really. All that stat stuff - I can't follow it . thanks though. i will tell you that those early 60's teams were really something. Actually though they did have some guys who could pitch - Momboquette , Wilson(who could also hit the s*** out of the ball), Moorehead. Wilson and Moorehead both threw no hitters.