Sox hitting??

[Bellhorn04]

There is not one sliver of good in Pablo's numbers. He has a bWAR of minus .9 in only 32 games. That extrapolates to a bWAR of minus 4.5 in 160 games, which I'm guessing might be a contender for the worst bWAR in history.

[moonslav59]

Nope. He got all positive vibes until this DL nonsense.

 

I was joking.

[moonslav59]

There is not one sliver of good in Pablo's numbers. He has a bWAR of minus .9 in only 32 games. That extrapolates to a bWAR of minus 4.5 in 160 games, which I'm guessing might be a contender for the worst bWAR in history.

 

I'm not trying to defend the undefensable, but Pablito did miss all of last year and played sporadically this year, some due to injuries. 32 spread out games is not really what I would consider a valid sample size.

 

That being said, I'm done with Pablo, too. The Sox appear to be as well.

 

Time to move on. This is the 6th year in a row, we've had bad to horrible production from our 3B position.

[mvp 78]

I'm not trying to defend the undefensable, but Pablito did miss all of last year and played sporadically this year, some due to injuries. 32 spread out games is not really what I would consider a valid sample size.

 

That being said, I'm done with Pablo, too. The Sox appear to be as well.

 

Time to move on. This is the 6th year in a row, we've had bad to horrible production from our 3B position.

 

If he managed to stay healthy, he would have been given a longer leash.

[oldtimer]

Sending Pablo down and along with an extra pitcher while bringing up Travers and Marrero was a good move and one that might have been done even earlier. We know Marrero is not a major league hitter, but he has the good glove and is a temporary fill in, while Travis is a ML level hitter and can afford some rest to Moreland who is dealing with a broken big toe. We should have Pedey back soon, maybe tonight, so the club is getting better. Since Pablo is unlikely to be back until after the AS break, the question is how best to deal with 3rd base in the interim.

 

To me, Devers appears to be ready and that move might also be the easiest for a lot of reasons. Age should not be the determining factor, although the Sox FO must have other input that makes them feel he is not ready. Of course our FO in the past has selected several busts in recent history so you have to wonder about their judgment.

[OH FOY]

.278 team batting average with RISP, keep this up, we'll be fine. Tons of injuries and we're in 1st, not complaining.

[Slasher9]

He seems to be a good guy. his teammates appear to really like him. i have never heard him say anything negative or throw a tantrum. he does alot of behind the scenes community stuff.

no matter where he ends up playing - i will be rooting for Panda to play well.

[moonslav59]

If he managed to stay healthy, he would have been given a longer leash.

 

Maybe.

 

When he was "healthy" recently, he still rode the bench way more than he played.

[Kimmi]

I sent a lot of positive energy his way during ST and the early part of the season. He's played ok, but the ongoing injuries make it unrealistic that the Sox can get anything for him. May as well just eat the contract at this point.

 

Yes you did.

 

I think it's pretty clear that management is ready to cut ties with him as soon as they have a viable replacement.

[Kimmi]

Sending Pablo down and along with an extra pitcher while bringing up Travers and Marrero was a good move and one that might have been done even earlier. We know Marrero is not a major league hitter, but he has the good glove and is a temporary fill in, while Travis is a ML level hitter and can afford some rest to Moreland who is dealing with a broken big toe. We should have Pedey back soon, maybe tonight, so the club is getting better. Since Pablo is unlikely to be back until after the AS break, the question is how best to deal with 3rd base in the interim.

 

To me, Devers appears to be ready and that move might also be the easiest for a lot of reasons. Age should not be the determining factor, although the Sox FO must have other input that makes them feel he is not ready. Of course our FO in the past has selected several busts in recent history so you have to wonder about their judgment.

 

I do really like what Marrero brings defensively. He really helped stabilize our infield defense when they were really scuffling. It's too bad his offense isn't a little stronger.

[Kimmi]

.278 team batting average with RISP, keep this up, we'll be fine. Tons of injuries and we're in 1st, not complaining.

 

All things considered, I can't complain either.

[Kimmi]

He seems to be a good guy. his teammates appear to really like him. i have never heard him say anything negative or throw a tantrum. he does alot of behind the scenes community stuff.

no matter where he ends up playing - i will be rooting for Panda to play well.

 

Slasher, you have been on top of your game with the Panda posts.

 

I can understand being frustrated with his play, even though it's hard to play well when you play so sparingly, but I don't get the vitriol that is spewed towards him.

[SoxHop]

He seems to be a good guy. his teammates appear to really like him. i have never heard him say anything negative or throw a tantrum. he does alot of behind the scenes community stuff.

no matter where he ends up playing - i will be rooting for Panda to play well.

 

I agree. When ever I see him around the other players, it looks like he acts like a kid.

 

I think one day he is going to realize he wasted a lot of talent and regret how he handled things. But, he's made so much money now, maybe he wont.

 

I can't blame him, if someone handed me 90 mil in my 20's I probably would have act a fool too....

[moonslav59]

I agree. When ever I see him around the other players, it looks like he acts like a kid.

 

I think one day he is going to realize he wasted a lot of talent and regret how he handled things. But, he's made so much money now, maybe he wont.

 

I can't blame him, if someone handed me 90 mil in my 20's I probably would have act a fool too....

 

He has some World Series heroics to remember as he grows old. I doubt he'll become obsessed with his failures, and quite frankly, he shouldn't. Sure, he'll likely have some regrets about not keeping himself in better shape and having a longer career, but he had some big moments while being significantly overweight with SF.

 

He may yet have some big moments in his future: I just seriously doubt it will be with us.

[cp176]

Where is Hanley? is he hurt? Kind of lost my patience with this guy too.

[mvp 78]

Where is Hanley? is he hurt? Kind of lost my patience with this guy too.

 

Shoulder is still bothering him.

[cp176]

I have just slightly more faith of getting more effort out of Hanley than we will out of Sandoval. When things are going well, players like these guys thrive. When it gets tougher - not so much. I wonder if Hanley even wants to play.

[devildavid]

I have just slightly more faith of getting more effort out of Hanley than we will out of Sandoval. When things are going well, players like these guys thrive. When it gets tougher - not so much. I wonder if Hanley even wants to play.

 

Hanley has been hurt from the moment the Sox signed him. I was concerned about this when they signed him. He had a worrying injury history, he is not in his prime, and he is unable to take the field defensively. At least he produced in 2016. That may be all they can squeeze out of him. Since he may still have value, the Sox should trade him for whatever they can get. At least he has a bit more value than Pablo. Time to clear out the dead wood

Edited June 22, 2017 by devildavid

[Station 13]

Shoulder is still bothering him.

 

The one where he crashed into LF 3 years ago?

[devildavid]

The one where he crashed into LF 3 years ago?

 

It is a chronic problem.

[mvp 78]

Hanley has a pretty lengthy injury history. Him bulking up was the worst thing he could do to his career.

[Bellhorn04]

He has some World Series heroics to remember as he grows old. I doubt he'll become obsessed with his failures, and quite frankly, he shouldn't. Sure, he'll likely have some regrets about not keeping himself in better shape and having a longer career, but he had some big moments while being significantly overweight with SF.

 

He may yet have some big moments in his future: I just seriously doubt it will be with us.

 

I think sometimes these huge free agent deals are the best things for a player's bank account but the worst things for their careers.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I would play hardball with Hanley. (1) There is no way I would allow his 2019 option to vest. (2) I would try to acquire a guy like J.Bruce at the deadline and would play Bruce against righties, Hanley against lefties. (3) He won't like it, but I would platoon Hanley in 2018. I would release him if he acts up. I'm assuming that if the Red Sox release Hanley next year, the 2019 option would not vest, correct?

 

There is no way the Red Sox can pay Hanley 22 million in 2019--that would be a joke. I would rather release him next season and accept the sunk cost than pay him 22 million in 2019.

[harmony]

I would play hardball with Hanley. (1) There is no way I would allow his 2019 option to vest. (2) I would try to acquire a guy like J.Bruce at the deadline and would play Bruce against righties, Hanley against lefties. (3) He won't like it, but I would platoon Hanley in 2018. I would release him if he acts up. I'm assuming that if the Red Sox release Hanley next year, the 2019 option would not vest, correct?

There is no way the Red Sox can pay Hanley 22 million in 2019--that would be a joke. I would rather release him next season and accept the sunk cost than pay him 22 million in 2019.

I suspect the Red Sox would be on the hook for 2019 option after a release because his new team would be obligated only for the league minimum. This assumes the Red Sox release Ramirez, no team picks up his contract, he signs for the league minimum with another team and the new club gives Ramirez enough plate appearances to vest the 2019 option. An unlikely scenario but possible.

[moonslav59]

We should have traded HRam while his stock was higher than after 2015.

 

I said this before the 2016 season, but not after it.

[a700hitter]

I would play hardball with Hanley. (1) There is no way I would allow his 2019 option to vest. (2) I would try to acquire a guy like J.Bruce at the deadline and would play Bruce against righties, Hanley against lefties. (3) He won't like it, but I would platoon Hanley in 2018. I would release him if he acts up. I'm assuming that if the Red Sox release Hanley next year, the 2019 option would not vest, correct?

 

There is no way the Red Sox can pay Hanley 22 million in 2019--that would be a joke. I would rather release him next season and accept the sunk cost than pay him 22 million in 2019.

$22 million/year for 4/5 years for an injury prone guy that could no longer play defense was beyond stupid. Thanks Ben!! But let's blame Larry.

[notin]

$22 million/year for 4/5 years for an injury prone guy that could no longer play defense was beyond stupid. Thanks Ben!! But let's blame Larry.

 

The weird thing is, Hanley took much less to return to Boston. Talk before he signed was 6 and even 7 year deals

[a700hitter]

The weird thing is, Hanley took much less to return to Boston. Talk before he signed was 6 and even 7 year deals

I have to think that his agent was floating those rumors.

[notin]

I would play hardball with Hanley. (1) There is no way I would allow his 2019 option to vest. (2) I would try to acquire a guy like J.Bruce at the deadline and would play Bruce against righties, Hanley against lefties. (3) He won't like it, but I would platoon Hanley in 2018. I would release him if he acts up. I'm assuming that if the Red Sox release Hanley next year, the 2019 option would not vest, correct?

 

There is no way the Red Sox can pay Hanley 22 million in 2019--that would be a joke. I would rather release him next season and accept the sunk cost than pay him 22 million in 2019.

 

It's easy to lik e Jay Bruce this year. And he is making it easy to forget how awful he has been in the last few seasons beforehand.

 

I'm not sold on Bruce. The only good thing about him is his very short contract. ...

[moonslav59]

The weird thing is, Hanley took much less to return to Boston. Talk before he signed was 6 and even 7 year deals

 

Let's just hope when Pablo and Hanley's contracts expire we don't have two other albatrosses taking their places.