Sox hitting??

[moonslav59]

How exactly does playing Panda every day for 5 weeks help the team win more?

Playing Rutledge or Marrero gives us no better chance, so why not see if Pablito can turn it around?

[devildavid]

Playing Rutledge or Marrero gives us no better chance, so why not see if Pablito can turn it around?

 

And you know this how?

[Slasher9]

How exactly does playing Panda every day for 5 weeks help the team win more?

 

i believe given the opportunity to be an everyday player that panda would have positive WAR and certainly do better than now while he is part timing with fill in the blank utility player. i believe he just needs a week or two of 3-4 AB's everyday to get rolling. i believe his defense is adequate enough that it won't matter if its rutledge or him on D.

[Slasher9]

is this DD or Slasher9?

 

"Third base has been one area I think we still need a spot to kind of see how Pablo plays through this," Slasher9 said. "Starting in spring training, he did very well for us. We were very excited. And I think you also have to remember that Pablo has done everything that we asked him to do. He got himself in shape, he's worked very hard. He's continued to work hard. He's worked on the dietary aspect of it. He's worked on the skill aspect of it.

 

"I think sometimes you have to give guys an opportunity before you just jump to the conclusions right away. And we'll continue to monitor his situation. It's up to him to do well and we'll see what takes place."

[devildavid]

i believe given the opportunity to be an everyday player that panda would have positive WAR and certainly do better than now while he is part timing with fill in the blank utility player. i believe he just needs a week or two of 3-4 AB's everyday to get rolling. i believe his defense is adequate enough that it won't matter if its rutledge or him on D.

 

I don't agree. I think platooning best serves the team needs. However, with Pedroia hurt we may need to play Pablo more. For me, team needs don't dictate that Pablo play full time all the time.

[moonslav59]

And you know this how?

 

Where did I even imply I know Pablito might turn it around. I do "know" pretty well that Rutledge & Marrero are not likely any better.

[Kimmi]

I don't agree. I think platooning best serves the team needs. However, with Pedroia hurt we may need to play Pablo more. For me, team needs don't dictate that Pablo play full time all the time.

 

If Pablo could turn it around with regular playing time, don't you think that would serve the team needs better than flat out DFAing him?

[a700hitter]

If Pablo could turn it around with regular playing time, don't you think that would serve the team needs better than flat out DFAing him?

He can't and he will not turn it around. Thinking so is just wishful thinkin.

[moonslav59]

He can't and he will not turn it around. Thinking so is just wishful thinkin.

 

It's also wishful thinking Rutledge and Marrero will do better.

 

Call up Devers or make a trade. I'm now on the dump Pablo bandwagon.

[a700hitter]

It's also wishful thinking Rutledge and Marrero will do better.

 

Call up Devers or make a trade. I'm now on the dump Pablo bandwagon.

I agree about Rutledge and Marrero.

[cp176]

It really looks as though the Red Sox are all but done with Sandoval. I have to think that if they actually thought that playing him for a few weeks in a row consistently would be the best situation for the club, they would do it. Really looks like he is done in Boston. This one goes down as one of our worst free agent signings for sure.

[moonslav59]

It really looks as though the Red Sox are all but done with Sandoval. I have to think that if they actually thought that playing him for a few weeks in a row consistently would be the best situation for the club, they would do it. Really looks like he is done in Boston. This one goes down as one of our worst free agent signings for sure.

 

Maybe tied with CC.

 

Just because we suckered the Dodgers into taking CC off our hands, doesn't make that signing any better than Pablito.

 

$142M/7 years

 

BOS .260 14 75 (664 PAs in 2 seasons) .711 OPS

LAD .278 18 99 (1119 PAs in 4 seasons) .720 OPS

(Did not play his final year of contract- 2017.)

 

Totals: .272 32 174 in 1783 PAs (.716 OPS)

 

He basically had enough PAs for 3 full seasons over his 7 year contract.

 

[Jasonbay44]

At least Crawford had a positive WAR a few times. Sandoval has literally been hurt a majority of the contract, and when he does play, he sucks offensively, defensively and is slow. He's one of the most useless players in all of baseball.

[oldtimer]

It really looks as though the Red Sox are all but done with Sandoval. I have to think that if they actually thought that playing him for a few weeks in a row consistently would be the best situation for the club, they would do it. Really looks like he is done in Boston. This one goes down as one of our worst free agent signings for sure.

 

It certainly looks like he is gone until the all star break. After that, a reevaluation has to take place. In the mean time, Rutledge is our utility infielder so the question becomes do we trade for a 3rd baseman or make the jump with Devers. Nothing new in those thoughts and that Marrero will be probably be sent down again.

 

I would bring Devers up soon, keep Travis and Rutledge up and send Marrero back down. Assuming Devers can show plate discipline, hit with a little power and field his position enough so he is better than anyone we currently have, he would have a nice start to a ML career.

 

What a nice lineup that could be:

 

Pedey/Rutledge

Bennintendi/Young

Bogaerts

Betts

Moreland/Travis

Rameriz/Young/Moreland

JBJ

Devers/Rutledge

Leon/Vazquez

 

I am hoping Handley gets hot. Watching his at bats shows me he has good plate discipline but is just missing the pitches (lot of fouls), so may not be seeing it well. That or possibly the shoulder is more of a problem than we know. It is worth waiting as he is a 235 pound vedry strong player and capable of much more.

[moonslav59]

At least Crawford had a positive WAR a few times. Sandoval has literally been hurt a majority of the contract, and when he does play, he sucks offensively, defensively and is slow. He's one of the most useless players in all of baseball.

 

Crawford had enough PAs for 3 full seasons ou of a 7 year contract.

 

That's a majority, too.

 

More money, especially when adjusted for inflation.

 

More years of suckiness.

 

Last year totally written off.

[Jasonbay44]

Crawford had enough PAs for 3 full seasons ou of a 7 year contract.

 

That's a majority, too.

 

More money, especially when adjusted for inflation.

 

More years of suckiness.

 

Last year totally written off.

But again, Pablo hasn't even had a single positive season yet. He's been one of worst players in all of baseball, regardless of contract in 2015 and 2017 and last year he looked awful, then went out for season.

 

Crawford at least had a positive WAR season. Pablo's whole Red Sox career has been a giant pile of steaming s***. He's been outplayed this year by a AAAA player and a guy hitting .155.

 

Edit: and just to be clear, I'm not saying Crawford signing was a good one, but it was somehow still better than Pablo, and that speaks to how horrendous Pablo has been.

Edited June 21, 2017 by Jasonbay44

[a700hitter]

But again, Pablo hasn't even had a single positive season yet. He's been one of worst players in all of baseball, regardless of contract in 2015 and 2017 and last year he looked awful, then went out for season.

 

Crawford at least had a positive WAR season. Pablo's whole Red Sox career has been a giant pile of steaming s***. He's been outplayed this year by a AAAA player and a guy hitting .155.

 

Edit: and just to be clear, I'm not saying Crawford signing was a good one, but it was somehow still better than Pablo, and that speaks to how horrendous Pablo has been.

Possibly topped by the signing of Rusney Castillo. Two steaming piles of worthlessness. Thanks Ben!

[moonslav59]

But again, Pablo hasn't even had a single positive season yet. He's been one of worst players in all of baseball, regardless of contract in 2015 and 2017 and last year he looked awful, then went out for season.

 

Crawford at least had a positive WAR season. Pablo's whole Red Sox career has been a giant pile of steaming s***. He's been outplayed this year by a AAAA player and a guy hitting .155.

 

Edit: and just to be clear, I'm not saying Crawford signing was a good one, but it was somehow still better than Pablo, and that speaks to how horrendous Pablo has been.

 

Well, at $142M vs $95M, CC should have been a little better.

 

I said and still say, "maybe tied".

[Jasonbay44]

Possibly topped by the signing of Rusney Castillo. Two steaming piles of worthlessness. Thanks Ben!

 

To be fair, I don't think Castillo was really given much of a chance. I'm not really a fan of the weirdness in the way they handled him. It wouldn't surprise me if Castillo ended up making an impact in the MLB still, whether it be for us, or another team.

 

But yes, the contract did suck, and was an odd signing, even at the time.

[moonslav59]

To be fair, I don't think Castillo was really given much of a chance. I'm not really a fan of the weirdness in the way they handled him. It wouldn't surprise me if Castillo ended up making an impact in the MLB still, whether it be for us, or another team.

 

But yes, the contract did suck, and was an odd signing, even at the time.

 

With his contract, he may not get a shot at MLB until he's post-prime.

 

He turns 30 in July.

[Spudboy]

I think the Sox are going to keep Pablow around because they win more games when he plays than when he does not play.

 

That has value!

[devildavid]

Where did I even imply I know Pablito might turn it around. I do "know" pretty well that Rutledge & Marrero are not likely any better.

 

How do you know they aren't better than Pablo? I think they are.

[devildavid]

If Pablo could turn it around with regular playing time, don't you think that would serve the team needs better than flat out DFAing him?

 

I don't give much of a chance for Pablo to turn it around this season. I'm not sure he even has much time left in his career as a full time, productive player. Eat the money and move on for the good of the team's future.

[devildavid]

It's also wishful thinking Rutledge and Marrero will do better.

 

Call up Devers or make a trade. I'm now on the dump Pablo bandwagon.

 

Welcome aboard!

[Slasher9]

How do you know they aren't better than Pablo? I think they are.

 

you may very well be right. that's one of the fun things about baseball. i dont think we will ever find out though. looks like DD is moving on from Panda.

[Kimmi]

I think the Sox are going to keep Pablow around because they win more games when he plays than when he does not play.

 

That has value!

 

Sigh...

[Kimmi]

I don't give much of a chance for Pablo to turn it around this season. I'm not sure he even has much time left in his career as a full time, productive player. Eat the money and move on for the good of the team's future.

 

He might not be able to turn it around, but IMO, it would have been in the team's best interest to find out. I know that spring training numbers don't mean much, but Pablo did well in spring training. I'm not saying that I expect Pablo to be great, but I think he could have recouped some of his value.

 

Anyway, it's a moot point now. The team has clearly made its decision regarding Pablo.

[mvp 78]

He might not be able to turn it around, but IMO, it would have been in the team's best interest to find out. I know that spring training numbers don't mean much, but Pablo did well in spring training. I'm not saying that I expect Pablo to be great, but I think he could have recouped some of his value.

 

Anyway, it's a moot point now. The team has clearly made its decision regarding Pablo.

 

I sent a lot of positive energy his way during ST and the early part of the season. He's played ok, but the ongoing injuries make it unrealistic that the Sox can get anything for him. May as well just eat the contract at this point.

[moonslav59]

I sent a lot of positive energy his way during ST and the early part of the season. He's played ok, but the ongoing injuries make it unrealistic that the Sox can get anything for him. May as well just eat the contract at this point.

 

So, basically, once you stopped sending the positive energy, he crapped out.

[mvp 78]

So, basically, once you stopped sending the positive energy, he crapped out.

 

Nope. He got all positive vibes until this DL nonsense.