Sox hitting??

[oldtimer]

Issues can always develop for any team. I think our offense has been largely underperforming, yet the team is in very good shape in the standings.

 

Hopefully, the offense gets their heads out of their butts soon. I really don't think it's a lack of talent.

 

We have not been facing dominant pitching of late based on their eras's but they sure dominate us. That is a bad sign, since we will soon run into top pitching and then what. Something is going on with the team where they just don't seem to have an approach that leads to hits and runs. I agree that there is talent, mainly with 6 players. Somebody has to try something new and shake them out of this malaise that they are in. It wouldn't hurt to bring in or up a couple more hitters. If Hanley is hurt, put him on the 10 day DL. The exeriment with Pablo also looks like a bust. C'mon front office and make a move or two.

[a700hitter]

Jed Lowrie should not be too costly. With Cad Pinder and Matt Chapman ready to step in and takeover and with Ryan Healy already established, they have no room for Lowrie.

[devildavid]

Our offense has been mediocre and our pitching has been excellent. Does that mean the offense has been doing its job? It was expected to be better than mediocre.

 

The offense has been sufficient for the team to win more than it loses. So yes, it has been doing its job. How many runs per game constitute the offense doing its job?

[Bellhorn04]

The offense has been sufficient for the team to win more than it loses. So yes, it has been doing its job. How many runs per game constitute the offense doing its job?

 

It's all relative to what other teams are doing. We're at 4.65 runs per game, which is major league average, but since we play in a hitter's park we're actually below average. That's reflected in our OPS+ of 95.

 

I'd say we're underperforming by .5 runs per game below expectations.

[S5Dewey]

Fenway's being a hitter's park is an old myth. It's been said that the renovations they made to the park have affected the wind currents and have taken that advantage away from the hitters. Fenway is actually about in the middle of the pack.

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

[Station 13]

Fenway's being a hitter's park is an old myth. It's been said that the renovations they made to the park have affected the wind currents and have taken that advantage away from the hitters. Fenway is actually about in the middle of the pack.

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

 

it's a hitters park, not a HR parks.

[S5Dewey]

it's a hitters park, not a HR parks.

 

In terms of runs scored it's right in the middle of the pack.

 

Out of the 30 teams it's 17th in runs, 27th in HR's, 15th in doubles, and 27th in triples. The only thing left is singles, which they're 7th in and i"m not sure that being 7th in singles would make them a "hitters park".

[Spudboy]

Jed Lowrie should not be too costly. With Cad Pinder and Matt Chapman ready to step in and takeover and with Ryan Healy already established, they have no room for Lowrie.

 

Send them Rusney or Craig back and pay their tab.

 

Don deal.

[moonslav59]

And, I'm now a gang of one.

 

I still like our chances of winning it all, or at least winning the AL.

 

The offense just isn't as good as I thought, and other teams' offenses are better than I thought.

[oldtimer]

I still like our chances of winning it all, or at least winning the AL.

 

The offense just isn't as good as I thought, and other teams' offenses are better than I thought.

 

With a great night from Bogaerts, who had been taking the collar for several days, and a timely hit from Bradley, we got it done. The pitching was not great, but good enough. Clearly, another good bat would help. Moreland needs a rest at times and Hanley doesn't want to or cant play 1st other than an emergency. The choices we have in the minors are Travis and Devers. Take your pick and bring one up. Send Sandoval packing.

[Bellhorn04]

Fenway's being a hitter's park is an old myth. It's been said that the renovations they made to the park have affected the wind currents and have taken that advantage away from the hitters. Fenway is actually about in the middle of the pack.

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

 

This is a little surprising but it makes sense when you consider that it's not a home run park and home run rates have been soaring, probably because of a juiced ball mandated by Manfred.

[devildavid]

Sox took 2 out of 3 from Houston while averaging 3 runs scored per game to Houston's 4.33. (small sample size). The offense did its job.

[Bellhorn04]

Sox took 2 out of 3 from Houston while averaging 3 runs scored per game to Houston's 4.33. (small sample size). The offense did its job.

 

If that's the way you see it that's fine. Personally I think that because a team is doing well as a whole doesn't mean every part of it is performing.

[SoxnCycles]

If that's the way you see it that's fine. Personally I think that because a team is doing well as a whole doesn't mean every part of it is performing.

 

There aren't many teams out the that run on all cylinders, all the time.

 

Frustrating as it is to watch sometimes, the offense doesn't concern me as must as the iffy starting rotation.

Relying on Sale and Pomeranz to carry this team into the playoffs has trouble written all over it.

 

The Sox will need to win close games, if they make the playoffs.

I don't see Price and Porcello being up to the task.

[a700hitter]

It wa a big mistake not signing Encarnacion for 2 years and signing Moreland before Encarnacion's market price played out.

[Station 13]

In terms of runs scored it's right in the middle of the pack.

 

Out of the 30 teams it's 17th in runs, 27th in HR's, 15th in doubles, and 27th in triples. The only thing left is singles, which they're 7th in and i"m not sure that being 7th in singles would make them a "hitters park".

 

You're looking at a tiny sample size. In its history this park plays small and allows a lot of hits.

 

This is a product of having 5 Sandovals in the lineup regularly.

[devildavid]

It wa a big mistake not signing Encarnacion for 2 years and signing Moreland before Encarnacion's market price played out.

 

Encarnacion wound up signing a 3 year deal with a 4th year team option. I don't know what makes you think the Red Sox would have had a chance of signing him at all.

 

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Edited June 19, 2017 by devildavid

[devildavid]

You're looking at a tiny sample size. In its history this park plays small and allows a lot of hits.

 

This is a product of having 5 Sandovals in the lineup regularly.

 

This is inaccurate. Most of the Sox hitters have excellent plate discipline. They are nothing like Pablo.

 

Fenway is a hitters park that is great for hitting doubles. The tiny amount of foul territory really helps hitters as well as the quirky dimensions of the park.

 

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[mvp 78]

It wa a big mistake not signing Encarnacion for 2 years and signing Moreland before Encarnacion's market price played out.

 

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170618/low-budget-signing-of-moreland-has-worked-out-splendidly-for-red-sox

[a700hitter]

Encarnacion wound up signing a 3 year deal with a 4th year team option. I don't know what makes you think the Red Sox would have had a chance of signing him at all.

 

http://nesn.com/2016/12/edwin-encarnacion-agreed-to-sign-with-Guardians-for-less-money-than-other-teams-offered/

 

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2017/02/edwin_encarnacion_says_he_sign.html

Encarnacion's agent clearly misjudged his market by turning down Toronto's 4 yr/$80 million offer. EE was very open about his desire to play in Boston, but DD made no inquiry.

[Bellhorn04]

Encarnacion's agent clearly misjudged his market by turning down Toronto's 4 yr/$80 million offer. EE was very open about his desire to play in Boston, but DD made no inquiry.

 

I think because Henry wanted to stay under the luxury tax threshold.

[devildavid]

Encarnacion's agent clearly misjudged his market by turning down Toronto's 4 yr/$80 million offer. EE was very open about his desire to play in Boston, but DD made no inquiry.

 

Where did you get this information?

[Slasher9]

Thanks.

 

good to see you brother.

[Kimmi]

We have not been facing dominant pitching of late based on their eras's but they sure dominate us. That is a bad sign, since we will soon run into top pitching and then what. Something is going on with the team where they just don't seem to have an approach that leads to hits and runs. I agree that there is talent, mainly with 6 players. Somebody has to try something new and shake them out of this malaise that they are in. It wouldn't hurt to bring in or up a couple more hitters. If Hanley is hurt, put him on the 10 day DL. The exeriment with Pablo also looks like a bust. C'mon front office and make a move or two.

 

You make fair points Oldtimer. The offense does appear to need some type of spark, but you would think that with the youngsters already on the team, the spark would be there.

[SoxnCycles]

good to see you brother.

 

Thanks, Slasher.

[Kimmi]

It's all relative to what other teams are doing. We're at 4.65 runs per game, which is major league average, but since we play in a hitter's park we're actually below average. That's reflected in our OPS+ of 95.

 

I'd say we're underperforming by .5 runs per game below expectations.

 

I would agree that the offense has underperformed its talent level. It's a good thing, I guess, when the team can underperform and still be winning enough games to be right in the thick of things.

 

I posted elsewhere that we have not been firing on all cylinders while the Yankees have been, and yet we're tied. If the offense starts clicking like I think they're capable of, look out.

[Kimmi]

There aren't many teams out the that run on all cylinders, all the time.

 

Frustrating as it is to watch sometimes, the offense doesn't concern me as must as the iffy starting rotation.

Relying on Sale and Pomeranz to carry this team into the playoffs has trouble written all over it.

 

The Sox will need to win close games, if they make the playoffs.

I don't see Price and Porcello being up to the task.

 

Good point about most teams not running on all cylinders at the same time.

 

The offense has been extremely frustrating, but I also am not concerned about them yet.

 

We need to hope Price and Porcello can get their acts together.

[SoxnCycles]

I would agree that the offense has underperformed its talent level. It's a good thing, I guess, when the team can underperform and still be winning enough games to be right in the thick of things.

 

I posted elsewhere that we have not been firing on all cylinders while the Yankees have been, and yet we're tied. If the offense starts clicking like I think they're capable of, look out.

 

They've already shown what they're capable of, when they went on their 6 game win streak in May (which you called BTW, LOL).

They averaged almost 8 runs/ game, during that streak.

 

They're capable, they're just not very consistent.

[moonslav59]

With a great night from Bogaerts, who had been taking the collar for several days, and a timely hit from Bradley, we got it done. The pitching was not great, but good enough. Clearly, another good bat would help. Moreland needs a rest at times and Hanley doesn't want to or cant play 1st other than an emergency. The choices we have in the minors are Travis and Devers. Take your pick and bring one up. Send Sandoval packing.

 

Or, play Pablo at 1B.

[moonslav59]

It wa a big mistake not signing Encarnacion for 2 years and signing Moreland before Encarnacion's market price played out.

 

EE as our FT 1Bman scares the hell out of me. He's best utilized as a DH and we already have $41M spent on DH-only types: HRam & Pablito.

 

Same with those who said we should have signed Holliday. His only spot on this team would have been DH and 4th OF'er. Plus, he'd have made Young's role on this team a waste of money.

 

If we were going to spend big on a bat last winter, clearly 3B was the slot to fill.

 

Plus, had we signed EE, Beltran or Holliday instead of Moreland, we'd have less cap space to get someone this summer.