3rd Third III

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Hell, I could live with Rutledge.

 

I'm wondering why the Red Sox have Rutledge on the team over Marrero. Maybe Marrero has an option and Rutledge doesn't? With Marrero, at least you get elite defense at 3b and really good defense at SS if you give Bogaerts a day off. Rutledge hasn't hit a HR since 2015 and currently has a .615 OPS. I don't know about his defensive metrics, but Rutledge isn't a spectacular defender. I wouldn't give him too many at-bats going forward. He hurts you more than helps you.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm wondering why the Red Sox have Rutledge on the team over Marrero. Maybe Marrero has an option and Rutledge doesn't? With Marrero, at least you get elite defense at 3b and really good defense at SS if you give Bogaerts a day off. Rutledge hasn't hit a HR since 2015 and currently has a .615 OPS. I don't know about his defensive metrics, but Rutledge isn't a spectacular defender. I wouldn't give him too many at-bats going forward. He hurts you more than helps you.

 

Rutledge isn't very good of course but he gets on base at least with a .323 OBP compared to Marrero's .195. Maybe they also think Rutledge's D will improve with more reps. Frankly they're kind of grasping at straws at the position.

[Spudboy]

To piggy back off of something you posted a couple days ago, the Sox are 17-11 when Pablo plays (.607 win %) and 15-10 when he starts (.600 win %). They are 20-17 when Pablo doesn't play (.540 win %).

 

Coincidence? I think not!

 

I just love the creative math.

 

So I will offer up some myself!

 

Pablow represents about 11% of the manpower on the field at any time.

 

And somehow he only contributes about half of what should be expected at 6%.

 

So, yeah. He sucks.

 

I made this and other comments somewhere in another thread it seems because I mistakenly assumed that Kimmi was being factious and "trolling". I made my comment in what I thought would be interpreted as silly humor. Unfortunately Kimmi is insulted by what I said and for that I am sorry. It was not my intent to insult anyone with my comments and in particular Kimmi who has made thousands of logical fact based post.

 

I still think Pablow sucks and is of little or no use to the Sox. I can only remember one instance this year where he has obviously contributed to a win. That was a few games ago when he singled and was replaced by Merrero who scored the winning run.

 

Again, I had no intention of insulting anyone ( especially Kimmi ) and I am sorry for the ill will that it has fostered.

[moonslav59]

 

...I still think Pablow sucks and is of little or no use to the Sox. I can only remember one instance this year where he has obviously contributed to a win. That was a few games ago when he singled and was replaced by Merrero who scored the winning run....

 

 

Opening Day: Pablito knocked in the go ahead run and scored later in the 5 run 5th inning of our 5-3 win.

 

Game 2: Pablo walks in the 12th inning and comes in on Leon's 3-run walk-off. (Hard to give Pablo "credit" here, but still...)

 

He almost won a game for us on April 7th (game 3). he hit a 3 run HR in the 8th to put us ahead 5-4, but Hembree coughed it up in the bottom of the 8th.

 

April 11: Pablo puts us up 1-0 vs BAL with a sac fly. Later as we are up 2-1, he walks to start a big inning that allowed us to pull ahead 5-1.

 

April 16: Sox aree down 4-2 to the Rays in the 4th. Pablo ties it up with a two-run jack. We go on to win 7-5.

 

April 18 ina n 8-7 win vs TOR: Pablo goes 3 of 4 and one single put us up 6-3 in the 5th. Later, he singles and scores to put us up 8-4. We hang on to win 8-7.

 

Despite missing the last 7 days of April, Pablo still led the team in April HRs with 3 and was 1 RBI away from being second on the team in April RBIs with 10.

 

May 31 vs CWS: Rutledge ties us up 1-1 and Pablo follows with a single to put us up 2-1. He later scores on a dbl by Vaz and we win 4-1.

 

He almost helped us win on June 2nd vs BAL. Down 2-0, he hits a solo blast, but we lose 3-2.

Edited June 17, 2017 by moonslav59

[Spudboy]

To piggy back off of something you posted a couple days ago, the Sox are 17-11 when Pablo plays (.607 win %) and 15-10 when he starts (.600 win %). They are 20-17 when Pablo doesn't play (.540 win %).

 

Coincidence? I think not!

 

Opening Day: Pablito knocked in the go ahead run and scored later in the 5 run 5th inning of our 5-3 win.

 

Game 2: Pablo walks in the 12th inning and comes in on Leon's 3-run walk-off. (Hard to give Pablo "credit" here, but still...)

 

He almost won a game for us on April 7th (game 3). he hit a 3 run HR in the 8th to put us ahead 5-4, but Hembree coughed it up in the bottom of the 8th.

 

April 11: Pablo puts us up 1-0 vs BAL with a sac fly. Later as we are up 2-1, he walks to start a big inning that allowed us to pull ahead 5-1.

 

April 16: Sox aree down 4-2 to the Rays in the 4th. Pablo ties it up with a two-run jack. We go on to win 7-5.

 

April 18 ina n 8-7 win vs TOR: Pablo goes 3 of 4 and one single put us up 6-3 in the 5th. Later, he singles and scores to put us up 8-4. We hang on to win 8-7.

 

Despite missing the last 7 days of April, Pablo still led the team in April HRs with 3 and was 1 RBI away from being second on the team in April RBIs with 10.

 

May 31 vs CWS: Rutledge ties us up 1-1 and Pablo follows with a single to put us up 2-1. He later scores on a dbl by Vaz and we win 4-1.

 

He almost helped us win on June 2nd vs BAL. Down 2-0, he hits a solo blast, but we lose 3-2.

 

You have a much better memory than I do.

 

I still feel he is a liability to this team.

 

If he did not have that huge contract he would have been gone by now.

[moonslav59]

You have a much better memory than I do.

 

I still feel he is a liability to this team.

 

If he did not have that huge contract he would have been gone by now.

 

I totally agree, but the contract is here and it is large.

 

With Rutledge and Marrero as our only other options until Sox management gives the green light to Devers, I don't see the point in DFA'ing Pablo right now.

 

There's a tiny sliver of hope remaining for Pablo, which is about the same slive of hope I see for Rutledge or Marrero giving us average #B play to close out the season or bridge us to the date Devers is given a shot.

 

I also think that regardless of how dumb it sounds to pay $19M for a platoon DH, Pablo has a slightly larger sliver of hope of filling that role decently in 2018. It might be better than paying Pablo $19M to play elsewhere and paying someone else to DH for us next year.

 

I know that taking up a roster space could out weigh anything he can give us next year, and I'm not saying he will or should be on the roster then or later this year, but as of right now. I'd keep him around a little while longer, at least.

 

[notin]

You have a much better memory than I do.

 

I still feel he is a liability to this team.

 

If he did not have that huge contract he would have been gone by now.

 

In correct.

 

If the Sox had better options than Rutledge or Marrero, Sandoval would be gone or benched. Like last year with Shaw. Unless you really think he was injured.

 

So until the Sox have a better option - and Devers is no guarantee to be better, especially this season - Sandoval is the likely starter starter..

[Bellhorn04]

In correct.

 

If the Sox had better options than Rutledge or Marrero, Sandoval would be gone or benched. Like last year with Shaw. Unless you really think he was injured.

 

So until the Sox have a better option - and Devers is no guarantee to be better, especially this season - Sandoval is the likely starter starter..

 

Sandoval seems pretty close to being gone or benched, considering that Rutledge has been getting some of the starts against righties.

[moonslav59]

I'd say Rutledge is slightly ahead of Pablo right now, but he's still close enough to not want to DFA Pablo and then end up with Marreo, if Josh stumbles or gets hurt.

[notin]

I'd say Rutledge is slightly ahead of Pablo right now, but he's still close enough to not want to DFA Pablo and then end up with Marreo, if Josh stumbles or gets hurt.

 

If best of Rutledge is about the same as the worst of Sandoval, then they aren't really equal. ..

Edited June 17, 2017 by notin

[Kimmi]

Now on our 34th page of a thread dedicated to 3b. Hitting, a far more important topic, only has 32 pages.

 

Plus we keep repeating ourselves, and I'm as guilty as anyone. I despise Pablo precisely because he is lousy at bat and at 3b. But I also agree with Kimmi that the FO--meaning Farrell and DD--should probably keep him awhile longer because of the money, because he was pretty decent with the Giants, because he did finally lose some weight, and because he's still only 30 years old. Devers doing so well at Portland means help is just around the corner. And right now the Sox are just 1 game behind the Yankees and have the 3d best winning percentage in the AL.

 

So me, I say getting a rental or whatever is not yet the right move. Hell, I could live with Rutledge

 

The problem is that we don't have a viable replacement option. Rutledge and/or Marrero, while better liked, are not the solution to our 3B problem. Pablo might not be able to turn it around, even a little. Dave Cameron makes a very strong case against Pablo being able to turn it around.

 

However, I think that Farrell needs to play him regularly for several weeks to see what he can do. Playing him for one game and then benching him for 2 or 3 does not give him the chance to gain any consistency.

 

If the team is going to keep him on the bench most of the time, they might as well DFA him and call up Devers or recall Marerro, because Pablo is just taking up a roster spot.

[Kimmi]

I'm wondering why the Red Sox have Rutledge on the team over Marrero. Maybe Marrero has an option and Rutledge doesn't? With Marrero, at least you get elite defense at 3b and really good defense at SS if you give Bogaerts a day off. Rutledge hasn't hit a HR since 2015 and currently has a .615 OPS. I don't know about his defensive metrics, but Rutledge isn't a spectacular defender. I wouldn't give him too many at-bats going forward. He hurts you more than helps you.

 

It's all about the option. The depth at 3B is thin enough as it is without losing Rutledge.

[Kimmi]

I made this and other comments somewhere in another thread it seems because I mistakenly assumed that Kimmi was being factious and "trolling". I made my comment in what I thought would be interpreted as silly humor. Unfortunately Kimmi is insulted by what I said and for that I am sorry. It was not my intent to insult anyone with my comments and in particular Kimmi who has made thousands of logical fact based post.

 

I still think Pablow sucks and is of little or no use to the Sox. I can only remember one instance this year where he has obviously contributed to a win. That was a few games ago when he singled and was replaced by Merrero who scored the winning run.

 

Again, I had no intention of insulting anyone ( especially Kimmi ) and I am sorry for the ill will that it has fostered.

 

The above post was made tongue in cheek, but being facetious is a far cry from being a troll.

 

Anyway, thank you.

[moonslav59]

If best of Rutledge is about the same as the worst of Sandoval, then they aren't really equal. ..

 

I said right now. I did not factor in possibilities of upside, which I give the nod to Pablo. That's why I'd choose to keep Pablo around, at the very least until Devers is called up and somewhat established himself as capable.

 

I don't see us DFA'ing Pablo anytime soon, and rightfully so, IMO.

 

We may even see him on the 25 man into next season.

[cp176]

I made this and other comments somewhere in another thread it seems because I mistakenly assumed that Kimmi was being factious and "trolling". I made my comment in what I thought would be interpreted as silly humor. Unfortunately Kimmi is insulted by what I said and for that I am sorry. It was not my intent to insult anyone with my comments and in particular Kimmi who has made thousands of logical fact based post.

 

I still think Pablow sucks and is of little or no use to the Sox. I can only remember one instance this year where he has obviously contributed to a win. That was a few games ago when he singled and was replaced by Merrero who scored the winning run.

 

Again, I had no intention of insulting anyone ( especially Kimmi ) and I am sorry for the ill will that it has fostered.

 

I'm thinking that you were being playfully humorous. I've been posting here for a few years now. I don't always agree with you but you have free reign to make fun of me or be critical of my comments whenever you like.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I agree with Cameron--it is time to release Sandoval. Rutledge is a fringy player who doesn't belong in the major leagues. Therefore, it is now incumbent on Dombrowski to make a trade for a legitimate starting 3b. There is no point in waiting anymore and it doesn't make sense to wait until the trade deadline. An upgrade is needed now.

 

The underlying problems are not going away. Simply put, Sandoval doesn't make enough contact anymore to be a quality offensive player. He also can't beat the shift. His fielding has declined over time. In other words, he isn't going to turn it around. The underlying metric--the decline in contact percentage--is the red flag.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

I agree with Cameron--it is time to release Sandoval. Rutledge is a fringy player who doesn't belong in the major leagues. Therefore, it is now incumbent on Dombrowski to make a trade for a legitimate starting 3b. There is no point in waiting anymore and it doesn't make sense to wait until the trade deadline. An upgrade is needed now.

 

The underlying problems are not going away. Simply put, Sandoval doesn't make enough contact anymore to be a quality offensive player. He also can't beat the shift. His fielding has declined over time. In other words, he isn't going to turn it around. The underlying metric--the decline in contact percentage--is the red flag.

 

He hasn't played more than 3 weeks in a row for a long time, so it's hard to know for sure that he's totally toast.

 

Until we make that trade you want or the big call-up others want, Pablo will be here.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

He hasn't played more than 3 weeks in a row for a long time, so it's hard to know for sure that he's totally toast.

 

Until we make that trade you want or the big call-up others want, Pablo will be here.

 

I'm not against promoting Devers. I just prefer a trade as a first option (Lowrie or Frazier) with the idea that Devers can always be brought up later in the season if 3b continues to be a problem. Lowrie and Frazier aren't exactly models of consistency.

 

Jason Mastrodonato addressed the situation. He made a good point when he said the Red Sox ignored Sandoval's four year decline on his way out of San Francisco. That decline continued in Boston--Sandoval's lack of plate discipline slowly but surely caught up to him. Some people saw it coming and some people (the Red Sox front office) did not.

 

Fangraphs posted that it's time to end the Sandoval experiment and go with Devers. Are Sox close to this way of thinking?

 

A: They have to be considering it. And while I’m still not convinced Sandoval's career is over, I am very convinced that the Red Sox need to move on.

 

It was just a bad signing. They made a mistake. They misjudged what Sandoval had to offer, ignored his four-year decline on his way out of San Francisco and believed that his ability to hit bad pitches would give them a distinct advantage as the strike zone continued to grow. His playoff lore was a bonus. They knew they were overpaying, but you overpay in free agency. They badly needed a third baseman. They were OK with that. Obviously, they messed up.

 

Torrey Harrison‏ @harrison_torrey

What would you do with Pablo?

 

A: It’s not entirely surprising to me that they’re still trying to squeeze something out of him, because he’s the kind of player that you don’t want to give up on. I’ve never seen a guy who could demolish a pitch at eye-level and then take a golf swing on a ball near the dirt and club it for extra bases. Teammates like him. It’s not a matter of effort. Some guys just slow down earlier than others. That he’s often carried extra weight hasn’t done his body any favors in that regard.

 

What I see is a player who is failing mentally. He’s swinging at bad pitches, like he always has, and is refusing to adjust while pitchers have adjusted to him. Throwing him anything over the plate is a gigantic mistake. Everybody knows that he will get himself out. But then he has one of those games where he isn’t lunging like a toddler swinging at a piñata, has three hits and you say, ‘Wow, he’s got talent.’

 

Problem is, that version of the Panda is an endangered species.

 

Defense is another story. He can no longer play third base. And even if the Red Sox do release him and he catches on with another team, I’d be surprised if it’s at third. I’d like to see him at first base, because you’re rarely charging forward on balls — one of his biggest weaknesses — and you don’t need as much side-to-side range. And at first, he won’t have to throw. His throwing has been a mess for most of his career in Boston. I still wonder if it’s mental — he double clutches a lot, takes too long to throw, then has to rush himself. His throws are usually thrown way too hard or he lollipops them to first, almost as if he’s making a conscious effort not to overthrow. First base could be a good fit for him.

 

I do think we’ll see Rafael Devers in Boston sometime soon.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2017/06/red_sox_mailbag_should_rafael_devers_replace_pablo_sandoval

[a700hitter]

We can't keep rolling Pablo out there for the next month giving extra outs with his glove. We don't score enough runs to overcome that. We need to be really stingy allowing runs if we want to stay in the race.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

We can't keep rolling Pablo out there for the next month giving extra outs with his glove. We don't score enough runs to overcome that. We need to be really stingy allowing runs if we want to stay in the race.

 

Agreed.

 

He has already been mentioned, but Eduardo Nunez isn't a bad option until Devers is ready. (1) Nunez currently has hamstring tightness but the situation is not overly serious and he is expected to avoid the DL. (2) Nunez has a functional bat (should be able to give you a .280 BA though not great on-base) with some speed (40 stolen bases last year) and thus he is a guy who could bat leadoff, moving Betts to the cleanup spot. (3) The Giants have a future 3b in C.Arroyo -- thus, Nunez isn't part of the Giants long term plans. (4) Does anyone know anything about Nunez's defense at 3b? I found a few links where Bochy praises his defense at 3b. (5) The Giants must realize their season is over. They have the second worst record in baseball and are 18 games out of first place. They have a thin farm system--the Red Sox could bolster it a little without trading Devers or Groome.

 

While I would prefer a lefty bat, Nunez would augment the Red Sox's speed and I like the idea of moving Betts into the cleanup spot. He might be a better choice than Jed Lowrie.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[oldtimer]

I agree with Cameron--it is time to release Sandoval. Rutledge is a fringy player who doesn't belong in the major leagues. Therefore, it is now incumbent on Dombrowski to make a trade for a legitimate starting 3b. There is no point in waiting anymore and it doesn't make sense to wait until the trade deadline. An upgrade is needed now.

 

The underlying problems are not going away. Simply put, Sandoval doesn't make enough contact anymore to be a quality offensive player. He also can't beat the shift. His fielding has declined over time. In other words, he isn't going to turn it around. The underlying metric--the decline in contact percentage--is the red flag.

 

Rutledge is a fill in infielder and you need one of those on the team, whereas Sandoval doesn't appear to be able to compete defensively as a 3rd baseman and has been in decline hittng the ball. If it weren't for his very high long term salary, he would have been gone by now. This team seems to be in a malaise and needs a spark to bring them out of it and soon. Is Hanley hurt? If so, should he be placed on the 10 day disabled list and Travis brought up? Is it time to bring up Devers and give up on Sandoval?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Not only should the Red Sox trade for a starting 3b, e.g., Nunez, Lowrie, or Frazier, but they should seriously consider upgrading the DH spot at the trade deadline. A guy like Jay Bruce could be available. I don't know where that would leave Hanley, but I really don't care.

 

Give me Nunez at 3b and Bruce at DH and the Red Sox lineup would be a lot better than it is now. Hanley is so inconsistent and injury prone--I'm not confident that he has a big second half in him.

 

Alternatively, to minimize the trading of prospects, the Red Sox could trade for a DH (let's say Jay Bruce) but not trade for a 3b. Instead, the Red Sox would promote Devers for 3b. Bruce and Devers would infuse some power (lefthanded) into the lineup.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Kimmi]

I agree with Cameron--it is time to release Sandoval. Rutledge is a fringy player who doesn't belong in the major leagues. Therefore, it is now incumbent on Dombrowski to make a trade for a legitimate starting 3b. There is no point in waiting anymore and it doesn't make sense to wait until the trade deadline. An upgrade is needed now.

 

The underlying problems are not going away. Simply put, Sandoval doesn't make enough contact anymore to be a quality offensive player. He also can't beat the shift. His fielding has declined over time. In other words, he isn't going to turn it around. The underlying metric--the decline in contact percentage--is the red flag.

 

I'm a big Cameron fan, and as I posted elsewhere, he makes a strong case against Pablo. That said, it's hard to know what Pablo can provide this year with the sporadic playing time he's been given. It's difficult for even the best players to play their best if they're only playing 1-2 games a week.

 

No one expects Pablo to become an MVP. But could he provide more production than Rutledge or Marerro? I think it's quite possible.

 

At any rate, I don't think Pablo will get much playing time anymore, and I think he'll be gone as soon as the Sox can get a viable replacement. Getting a legitimate starting 3B in mid June is easier said than done.

[Kimmi]

Not only should the Red Sox trade for a starting 3b, e.g., Nunez, Lowrie, or Frazier, but they should seriously consider upgrading the DH spot at the trade deadline. A guy like Jay Bruce could be available. I don't know where that would leave Hanley, but I really don't care.

 

Give me Nunez at 3b and Bruce at DH and the Red Sox lineup would be a lot better than it is now. Hanley is so inconsistent and injury prone--I'm not confident that he has a big second half in him.

 

Alternatively, to minimize the trading of prospects, the Red Sox could trade for a DH (let's say Jay Bruce) but not trade for a 3b. Instead, the Red Sox would promote Devers for 3b. Bruce and Devers would infuse some power (lefthanded) into the lineup.

 

Sam Travis is a good possibility if Hanley continues to deal with injury.

 

Also, I appreciate your well thought out posts about Sandoval.

[Emp9]

Not only should the Red Sox trade for a starting 3b, e.g., Nunez, Lowrie, or Frazier, but they should seriously consider upgrading the DH spot at the trade deadline. A guy like Jay Bruce could be available. I don't know where that would leave Hanley, but I really don't care.

 

Give me Nunez at 3b and Bruce at DH and the Red Sox lineup would be a lot better than it is now. Hanley is so inconsistent and injury prone--I'm not confident that he has a big second half in him.

 

Alternatively, to minimize the trading of prospects, the Red Sox could trade for a DH (let's say Jay Bruce) but not trade for a 3b. Instead, the Red Sox would promote Devers for 3b. Bruce and Devers would infuse some power (lefthanded) into the lineup.

 

I think I may like your targeting of Bruce, but I'm not sure if Nunez would be the right fit. I love some aspects of Nunez's game, he a nice SB threat (17 thus far), batting .300, but I'm not sold on his defense and if we're looking for more HR's, Nunez is not our man.

 

Mastrodonato's chat excerpt is interesting. Moon's been calling for Sandoval playing 1B since I can remember. I never liked his height to play 1B (or his lack of power but I'm willing to set that aside to get something out of him), but I wouldn't mind seeing Pablo play both corners here and there, on and off, while we give Devers a shot and give Moreland a rest when needed. Having Pablo only as an option if the matchup is right. We need to squeeze the most out of what we have. It's not perfect by any means.

[harmony]

Agreed.

 

He has already been mentioned, but Eduardo Nunez isn't a bad option until Devers is ready. (1) Nunez currently has hamstring tightness but the situation is not overly serious and he is expected to avoid the DL. (2) Nunez has a functional bat (should be able to give you a .280 BA though not great on-base) with some speed (40 stolen bases last year) and thus he is a guy who could bat leadoff, moving Betts to the cleanup spot. (3) The Giants have a future 3b in C.Arroyo -- thus, Nunez isn't part of the Giants long term plans. (4) Does anyone know anything about Nunez's defense at 3b? I found a few links where Bochy praises his defense at 3b. (5) The Giants must realize their season is over. They have the second worst record in baseball and are 18 games out of first place. They have a thin farm system--the Red Sox could bolster it a little without trading Devers or Groome.

 

While I would prefer a lefty bat, Nunez would augment the Red Sox's speed and I like the idea of moving Betts into the cleanup spot. He might be a better choice than Jed Lowrie.

San Francisco third baseman Eduardo Nunez shares a birthday (June 15, 1986) with his until-recently Bay Area counterpart, Trevor Plouffe, whom the Oakland A's traded to the Tampa Bay Rays on Saturday.

 

Like Nunez, Plouffe is a versatile third baseman who will be a free agent at the season's end. Nunez has a 2017 salary of $4.2 million and Plouffe a 2017 salary of $5.25 million.

 

Nunez has been valued at 3.1 fWAR in 618 career games, including 1.1 fWAR in 63 games this year. Plouffe has been valued at 5.0 fWAR in 781 career games, including a negative 0.2 fWAR this year.

 

Nunez has a UZR/150 of a negative 12.6 in 1,712.1 career innings at third base, including a negative 12.0 in 303 innings this year. Plouffe has a UZR/150 of a negative 4.5 in 5,105/1 career innings at third base, including a negative 1.4 in 418 innings this year.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6848&position=3B/SS

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7462&position=3B

 

The Rays acquired Plouffe for cash or a player to be named.

 

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/rays-journal-veteran-trevor-plouffe-excited-for-fresh-start-with-rays/2327661

Edited June 18, 2017 by harmony

[Emp9]

Eduardo Nunez shares a birthday with his until-recently Bay Area counterpart, Trevor Plouffe, whom the Oakland A's traded to the Tampa Bay Rays on Saturday.

 

Like Nunez, Plouffe is a versatile third baseman who will be a free agent at the season's end. Nunez has been valued at 3.1 fWAR in 618 career games, including 1.1 fWAR in 63 games this year. Plouffe has been valued at 5.0 fWAR in 781 career games, including a negative 0.2 fWAR this year.

 

Nunez has a UZR/150 of a negative 12.6 in 1,712.1 career innings at third base, including a negative 12.0 in 303 innings this year. Plouffe has a UZR/150 of a negative 4.5 in 5,105/1 career innings at third base, including a negative 1.4 in 418 innings this year.

 

Nunez has a 2017 salary of $4.2 million and Plouffe a 2017 salary of $5.25 million.

 

The Rays acquired Plouffe for cash or a player to be named.

 

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/rays-journal-veteran-trevor-plouffe-excited-for-fresh-start-with-rays/2327661

 

So, Nunez's defense is somewhere between Poor and Awful, and Plouffe was literally DFA'd before being traded. Frazier is looking better and better at this point. lol

[oldtimer]

So, Nunez's defense is somewhere between Poor and Awful, and Plouffe was literally DFA'd before being traded. Frazier is looking better and better at this point. lol

 

Frazier is batting 203 with 11 HR and is not known for his glove. I'd rather call up Devers and take a shot.

[Emp9]

Frazier is batting 203 with 11 HR and is not known for his glove. I'd rather call up Devers and take a shot.

 

No, but he IS a better fielder than both Nunez and Plouffe. He's a better fit with the bat as well, sense we're all clamoring for more HRs. I hate his batting average too. Maybe we can buy low because of that fact and he does a little better within our lineup? That's what we'd have to hope for.

 

I agree, I'd give Devers a look first. If we don't need to get a 3Bman, we could sure-up our pitching instead. We might be able to make one ( I doubt two) impact move(s) at the deadline, so we better make it count.

[moonslav59]

We can't keep rolling Pablo out there for the next month giving extra outs with his glove. We don't score enough runs to overcome that. We need to be really stingy allowing runs if we want to stay in the race.

 

He made a pretty good play last night, even with the throw being shaky. It was the most I've seen him move to get to a ball and get the out in over 2 years.

 

I'm not saying I have any confidence in his fielding, but it was nice to see he is capable of taking 3 steps without tripping over himself.