Lineup Discussions

[Slasher9]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/109921/full-primer-on-playoff-roster-eligibility

 

brain hurtz. cliffs?

[Dalas21000]

I still like the best hitter on the team in the leadoff spot. Everyone can think whatever they want, but my opinion stands: Mookie's skill combination works great out of the #1 hole.

 

Yeah I don't see why they don't leave Betts,Pedroia,Bogaerts........Theres so many other changes I would make if I were their manager....This would be a start

[Dalas21000]

I think Barnes would be more comfortable taking on the closing role as he has been with the organization longer than Kimbrel has......Barnes showed he can get the job done against the Yanks.....Kimbrel can be his setup.........Buccholz/Kelly should be used more when a starting pitcher is unable to go long

[mvp 78]

brain hurtz. cliffs?

 

a) PLAYERS ELIGIBLE.

 

(1) Major League Roster Players. To be eligible to play for a Major League Club in a Wild Card Game, Division Series, League Championship Series, or the World Series, a player must

 

(A) have been on a Major League Active, Disabled, Bereavement / Family Medical Emergency, Paternity, Suspended or Military List of such Major League Club as of Midnight Eastern Time on August 31, or on such date be under control, but on optional assignment, or on assignment from another Major League organization and not yet reported (AKA MUST BE ON 40 MAN ROSTER); and

 

( have remained reserved to such Major League Club (at the Major or Minor League levels) through the beginning of the applicable post-season series, unless the player is replacing an injured player pursuant to Rule 40(a)(3) (EXCEPTION TO THE 40 MAN RULE ABOVE).

 

(IGNORE THE STUFF BELOW UNLESS YOU ENJOY READING HORRIBLY WRITTEN GOBBLEDYGOOK)

(2) Submission of Rosters. Each Major League Club that participates in a postseason series (including the Wild Card Game) must establish for each such series, from its complement of eligible players, an active roster of no more than 25 (and no less than 24) players and transmit such active roster to the Office of the Commissioner at such time before the scheduled start of each post-season series as the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may set. Each player named to the roster for a series must be expected to be physically able to perform at some point in such series. No player on the Disabled List whose minimum period of inactivity has not yet expired before the scheduled start of the post-season series may be named to the roster for such series or otherwise replaced under this Rule 40. Except as permitted in Rule 40(a)(4), there shall be no substitutions made during a post-season series following a Major League Club’s submission of its active roster for that series.

 

(3) Replacements for Injured Players Before a Series. With the express consent of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee prior to the start of a postseason series (including the Wild Card Game), a Club may name a player in its organization to a roster for such series in order to replace an injured Major League player. A Club will not be permitted to name such a replacement unless

 

(A) the injured Major League player is eligible under Rule 40(a)(1);

 

( the injured Major League player is unable to render service in such series because of a specific injury or ailment;

 

© the injured Major League player’s Club has submitted written proof of the player’s disability; and

 

(D) the injured Major League player’s Club has requested permission from the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to name such a replacement. If the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee grants permission to the injured Major League player’s Club to make such a replacement, the player named to the roster for the series (including the Wild Card Game) as a replacement must also be an eligible player pursuant to Rule 40(a)(1) or must

 

(E) have been on a Minor League Active, Disabled, Temporarily Inactive, Suspended or Military List of such Major League Club as of Midnight Eastern Time on August 31, or on such date be designated for assignment or under control, but not yet reported, on assignment from another Major League organization;

 

(F) have remained reserved to such Major League Club (at the Major or Minor League levels) through the time of replacement; and

 

(G) be placed on the Club’s Major League Reserve List.

 

(4) Replacements for Injured Players During a Series. A Club may request permission from the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to replace on the Club’s active roster for the remainder of a post-season series a player who is unable to render service in such post-season series because of a specific injury or ailment that occurred after the Club’s roster for such series had been submitted, provided that the Club submits written proof of the disability to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may approve or disapprove a request for a roster substitution and may make whatever investigation the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee deems appropriate in exercising such discretion. The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee’s exercise of discretion may include disapproval of the request for a roster substitution if the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee determines that the request was not made in a reasonable amount of time in advance of a game to allow for investigation of the facts and circumstances. If the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee gives express approval for the substitution,

 

(A) the player added to the roster must also be an eligible player pursuant to Rule 40(a)(1) or Rules 40(a)(3)(E) through (G);

 

( a pitcher may be replaced only by a pitcher and a player other than a pitcher may be replaced only by a player other than a pitcher; and

 

© the injured player being replaced shall be ineligible to play for the remainder of such series, as well as the next subsequent post-season series that year.

[Dalas21000]

Leon should be starting catcher every game and Hanley should be put back in LF...benentendi can split time with him......Shaw to 1B and Hill/Holt at 3B

[Dalas21000]

Leon should be starting catcher every game and Hanley should be put back in LF...benentendi can split time with him......Shaw to 1B and Hill/Holt at 3B

 

Then we can start focusing on baserunning, fielding....

[mvp 78]

I'm with you on this but our votes don't count. Maybe things would be different if Bogey were hitting.

 

It's quite the shame. Ever since SFF disappeared, we no longer have posters that give Larry Lucchino rides home.

[S5Dewey]

Hey, fellas! Hoe's this working out? Or is it too "small a sample"? And why was it considered "goofy" when I proposed it last April? And, why have I not come across any posts that said, "well, the old fart was right after all!"

 

Well mal, I was in the Chatzy room last night (Tuesday night) and remarked that "I'll bet mal is grinning from ear to ear".

[devildavid]

Hey, fellas! Hoe's this working out? Or is it too "small a sample"? And why was it considered "goofy" when I proposed it last April? And, why have I not come across any posts that said, "well, the old fart was right after all!"

 

You must have missed my posts. I've been defending your position quite a bit here against a lot of opposition. You get all the credit for your astute insight, but I did jump on board and promoted your idea. I never liked the idea that Mookie "had" to be the leadoff hitter. Apparently these pro ballplayers are more flexible about things than we give them credit for. I love how Mookie has been able to drive in more runs because of this move.

Edited August 17, 2016 by devildavid

[Bellhorn04]

Leon should be starting catcher every game and Hanley should be put back in LF...benentendi can split time with him......Shaw to 1B and Hill/Holt at 3B

 

You are loco, amigo.

[sk7326]

TL DR version ...

 

If the Red Sox want to get a look at Moncada or (less likely but worth asking because we know Dombrowski is) Kopech - they can add them to the 40-man anytime. They would be playoff roster eligible because of injury replacements.

[illinoisredsox]

TL DR version ...

 

If the Red Sox want to get a look at Moncada or (less likely but worth asking because we know Dombrowski is) Kopech - they can add them to the 40-man anytime. They would be playoff roster eligible because of injury replacements.

 

It wouldn't even involve dropping a player off the 40 man; right now there's only 39 names on it.

 

My guess is you may see Moncada added on in a couple weeks; Portland's season ends around Labor Day so he'd only be missing 4-5 AA games at that point.

[sk7326]

It wouldn't even involve dropping a player off the 40 man; right now there's only 39 names on it.

 

My guess is you may see Moncada added on in a couple weeks; Portland's season ends around Labor Day so he'd only be missing 4-5 AA games at that point.

 

That part is true - but there is not a rush to get things done by August 31. And it makes more sense NOT to add Moncada that way, because it still allows the Red Sox to make a small waiver deal (perhaps for another relief arm)

[Kimmi]

It's not that it was goofy or not goofy - it's just that it simply didn't matter (as long as he was not batting 9th). And for the most part it hasn't. Betts is really f'in good - and that was true in April also.

 

Still my hero.

[Nick]

Xander should be moved down the order.......

 

We are better with Betts not leading off

 

We maybe better with Xander being dropped...I think he's something like 14-74 or something...around .200. Hell he should be hitting 6th or below. It's be different if he hits for power.

[mvp 78]

Flip Xander and Leon.

[oldtimer]

I have been wondering if the psychology of making a lineup change as much or more than the actual change is what has lead to a re-emergence of the Sox offense. Maybe it is just poor pitching, who knows? My thought is the act of doing something to improve things changes the viewpoints of the players and relieves the boredom.

[mvp 78]

I think the problem nowadays is that people ignore the human element to the game and try to quantify every decision numerically. Sometimes a peak lineup may not be evident simply by number crunching.

[Bellhorn04]

I think the problem nowadays is that people ignore the human element to the game and try to quantify every decision numerically. Sometimes a peak lineup may not be evident simply by number crunching.

 

That's why I never criticize management about lineups.

[moonslav59]

I think the problem nowadays is that people ignore the human element to the game and try to quantify every decision numerically. Sometimes a peak lineup may not be evident simply by number crunching.

 

...but sometimes it seems like others ignore glaring numbers.

[Spudboy]

I think the problem nowadays is that people ignore the human element to the game and try to quantify every decision numerically. Sometimes a peak lineup may not be evident simply by number crunching.

 

Blasphemy!

[mvp 78]

...but sometimes it seems like others ignore glaring numbers.

 

What is so glaring that people are ignoring. Honestly? That Mookie should bat 3rd rather than 1st? Well, a lot of sabermatricians think your best hitter should hit 1st because it would give him the most AB's and aren't focused on RBI's. Was Benintendi's numbers in AA so glaring that he needed to be sent straight to MLB even though Betts had far better numbers and was sent to AAA before MLB?

[oldtimer]

What is so glaring that people are ignoring. Honestly? That Mookie should bat 3rd rather than 1st? Well, a lot of sabermatricians think your best hitter should hit 1st because it would give him the most AB's and aren't focused on RBI's. Was Benintendi's numbers in AA so glaring that he needed to be sent straight to MLB even though Betts had far better numbers and was sent to AAA before MLB?

 

With Benintendi, we had a problem in left field caused by injuries. Beni or picking up someone from outside was the answer. Management went to Beni and I think that was a logical move.

[kenmeister]

Last night's lineup:

 

Pedroia

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Bradley

Leon

Holt

Shaw

Benintendi

 

I think that's a pretty good lineup; I'd just flip Ortiz and Betts.

[sk7326]

With lineups I think it is really - some players care about where they bat, others don't. And if you can placate the first group without doing something stupid (like bat Papi 8th for instance) - then ultimately it doesn't really matter.

 

Why has the Red Sox lineup clicked lately? It is because they are good - and have been this good all season. The fallow period out West and against the Yankees was just a SSS exception. And the 11 game road trip were all in famously low scoring ballparks. The Sox are going to have one more West Coast swing through Oakland and San Diego - and they could have trouble scoring runs, even though both teams stink ... because of where they are playing.

[Slasher9]

Last night's lineup:

 

Pedroia

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Bradley

Leon

Holt

Shaw

Benintendi

 

I think that's a pretty good lineup; I'd just flip Ortiz and Betts.

this may have been stated elsewhere but IMO Betts is hitting after Ortiz to try and get Papi going again. he has been scuffling for a month or so. (273 july / 255 august)...

[SoxnCycles]

this may have been stated elsewhere but IMO Betts is hitting after Ortiz to try and get Papi going again. he has been scuffling for a month or so. (273 july / 255 august)...

 

Good point.

With Hanley being hot & cold, it's been easier to pitch around Ortiz.

That's not the sole reason Ortiz has been slumping, but it hasn't helped any.

 

He had quite a few 0fers the last two weeks before the lineup change.

[mvp 78]

With Benintendi, we had a problem in left field caused by injuries. Beni or picking up someone from outside was the answer. Management went to Beni and I think that was a logical move.

 

I agree. I'm just wondering what the "glaring numbers" issue is that Moon is referring to.

[moonslav59]

I agree. I'm just wondering what the "glaring numbers" issue is that Moon is referring to.

 

How about that Young has the 4th best OPS in MLB vs LHPs over the last 1.6 years?

 

He needs to start vs all lefties.

 

How about some bad splits by HanRam vs RHPs, and yet we keep hitting him 4th or 5th vs righties.

 

There's more than this.

[mvp 78]

How about that Young has the 4th best OPS in MLB vs LHPs over the last 1.6 years?

 

He needs to start vs all lefties.

 

How about some bad splits by HanRam vs RHPs, and yet we keep hitting him 4th or 5th vs righties.

 

There's more than this.

 

Who has said that Young shouldn't hit against lefties?

 

Who has said that HanRam should never be moved in the order?