Red Sox Acquire Drew Pomeranz

[mvp 78]

It's early, but this start was very very encouraging.

 

This is how I feel as well. That's the best he's looked since the trade. If he can have a hot first half like he did last year, I'll be proven wrong.

[Slasher9]

This is how I feel as well. That's the best he's looked since the trade. If he can have a hot first half like he did last year, I'll be proven wrong.

no. you won't. 1/2 a season will prove nothing to us. he still needs to prove he can be an effective starter for an entire season. can he stay healthy and pitch all season? or is he really just a reliever trying to be a starter? TBD.....

[mvp 78]

no. you won't. 1/2 a season will prove nothing to us. he still needs to prove he can be an effective starter for an entire season. can he stay healthy and pitch all season? or is he really just a reliever trying to be a starter? TBD.....

 

I don't think it'll happen either. I also think that some other posters who think he'll do great are just pretending. Otherwise, Pom wouldn't have been on our fantasy waiver wire at the start of the season.

[devildavid]

I'm not looking for any more than decent starts form Pomerantz. I think he can be a solid, reliable starter. But I'm not counting on him for a lot of innings and think he will need to be rested and replaced by the occasional spot starter. The main concern I have is health and durability.

[Kimmi]

This is how I feel as well. That's the best he's looked since the trade. If he can have a hot first half like he did last year, I'll be proven wrong.

 

I didn't like what we gave up for Pom, but I felt like the trade was necessary and I was, therefore, good with it.

 

I don't get the criticism towards Pom. Maybe he will flame out and be as unreliable as Buchholz, but I think he will end up being a solid starter for us. I'm not talking ace, by any means, but a solid mid rotation pitcher. Yes, I know I'm wearing, my rose colored glasses.

[mvp 78]

I didn't like what we gave up for Pom, but I felt like the trade was necessary and I was, therefore, good with it.

 

I don't get the criticism towards Pom. Maybe he will flame out and be as unreliable as Buchholz, but I think he will end up being a solid starter for us. I'm not talking ace, by any means, but a solid mid rotation pitcher. Yes, I know I'm wearing, my rose colored glasses.

 

I think he's a decent pitcher. I had injury concerns both prior to and after the trade. I'm just not sure he can hold up. If he stays healthy for a long stretch, it will really benefit this team. Peak Pomeranz > ERod and Wright

[Slasher9]

I didn't like what we gave up for Pom, but I felt like the trade was necessary and I was, therefore, good with it.

 

I don't get the criticism towards Pom. Maybe he will flame out and be as unreliable as Buchholz, but I think he will end up being a solid starter for us. I'm not talking ace, by any means, but a solid mid rotation pitcher. Yes, I know I'm wearing, my rose colored glasses.

 

personally i was absolutely disgusted that we traded a future pitching god for a relief pitcher that had half a season of success as a starter. Espinoza will win 17 cy youngs (this will be a record). pom will struggle to stay healthy as a starter for an entire season.......

[Wade Boggs]

no. you won't. 1/2 a season will prove nothing to us. he still needs to prove he can be an effective starter for an entire season. can he stay healthy and pitch all season? or is he really just a reliever trying to be a starter? TBD.....

 

He's a good pitcher. I don't think he can give you 200 innings. Just on health reasons. If he holds up for three years gives you 190/200 innings a ERA in the high 3 , the deal is good. If he breaks down or is just another pitcher in the pen..

bad deal. When you deal the #1 pitching prospect you want NO doubts. Just sort of like Sale. No he can't get someone like that alone but maybe you keep one extra good prospect stashed away. So I agree with you for the most part. He pitched great last night , hope he keeps it going. If he can stay healthy which is a big if for someone like him.

[cp176]

He's a good pitcher. I don't think he can give you 200 innings. Just on health reasons. If he holds up for three years gives you 190/200 innings a ERA in the high 3 , the deal is good. If he breaks down or is just another pitcher in the pen..

bad deal. When you deal the #1 pitching prospect you want NO doubts. Just sort of like Sale. No he can't get someone like that alone but maybe you keep one extra good prospect stashed away. So I agree with you for the most part. He pitched great last night , hope he keeps it going. If he can stay healthy which is a big if for someone like him.

 

Let's see - Sale and Espinoza in some way being compared to one another at all! Honest to God - I may love the kid to if and when he ever makes it to the bigs. To date, he has done nothing to warrant his lofty ranking. he may for sure but he has quite a ways to go. I'll take the big young lefty who I have always felt could give us a solid mid rotation (maybe higher) performance all day everyday.

[Wade Boggs]

Let's see - Sale and Espinoza in some way being compared to one another at all! Honest to God - I may love the kid to if and when he ever makes it to the bigs. To date, he has done nothing to warrant his lofty ranking. he may for sure but he has quite a ways to go. I'll take the big young lefty who I have always felt could give us a solid mid rotation (maybe higher) performance all day everyday.

 

 

Not what said. I was not comparing him with Sale or anybody else. Let's say they could have got a better pitcher , not necessary Pom. As for the Sale deal, it was made because of Price not being or adjusting with the climate in Boston.

 

Having his own issues with media and twitter following fans. If Price came in top5 of CY Young voting ,Sale is not in a Red Sox uniform. I liked the Sale deal. I with some people on here said if they make one major move and go balls2the wall it would be for Sale. Happy they got him. He's an ACE!

[Fisk]

If price was top 5 in cy young they still make the deal, Prices performance had nothing to do with it. They had a chance to grab a top 5 pitcher on a team friendly contract, DD was not passing on that.

[cp176]

Not what said. I was not comparing him with Sale or anybody else. Let's say they could have got a better pitcher , not necessary Pom. As for the Sale deal, it was made because of Price not being or adjusting with the climate in Boston.

 

Having his own issues with media and twitter following fans. If Price came in top5 of CY Young voting ,Sale is not in a Red Sox uniform. I liked the Sale deal. I with some people on here said if they make one major move and go balls2the wall it would be for Sale. Happy they got him. He's an ACE!

 

Sorry if I misinterpreted. I really do think that it is a stretch to think that we were going to anyone resembling Sale for Espinoza plus a few others in a trade. I get why everyone continues to be upbeat about Espinoza. i just come from a different point of view when it comes to teenage pitchers and I don't care what the scouting reports say. I really do want to see him do well but I still like that trade.

[moonslav59]

Sorry if I misinterpreted. I really do think that it is a stretch to think that we were going to anyone resembling Sale for Espinoza plus a few others in a trade. I get why everyone continues to be upbeat about Espinoza. i just come from a different point of view when it comes to teenage pitchers and I don't care what the scouting reports say. I really do want to see him do well but I still like that trade.

 

I get your point, but every great pitcher was a promising teenager at some point.

 

Not many pitchers have been ranked so highly at his age. Yes, that still makes his value highly speculative, but there's a reason he is ranked so highly. Experts think he has such a high ceiling that the risk-reward is not a hindrance enough to drop him in their rankings.

 

He may turn out to be a dud. The risk of that is certainly high enough to see why getting 2.5 seasons and 3 playoff cycles from a possible #2-3 type starter was worth it. The idea is logical.

 

I guess I still have a gambling instinct in my soul. Espi's ceiling is just too tantalizing for me to want to part with for anything short of a guy like Sale or Quintana (not that I think we could have gotten either in a straight up deal).

[cp176]

I get your point, but every great pitcher was a promising teenager at some point.

 

Not many pitchers have been ranked so highly at his age. Yes, that still makes his value highly speculative, but there's a reason he is ranked so highly. Experts think he has such a high ceiling that the risk-reward is not a hindrance enough to drop him in their rankings.

 

He may turn out to be a dud. The risk of that is certainly high enough to see why getting 2.5 seasons and 3 playoff cycles from a possible #2-3 type starter was worth it. The idea is logical.

 

I guess I still have a gambling instinct in my soul. Espi's ceiling is just too tantalizing for me to want to part with for anything short of a guy like Sale or Quintana (not that I think we could have gotten either in a straight up deal).

 

i certainly see your point as well. I would counter by saying that many pitchers became great pitchers over time with much hard work. I will never get too excited about teenage pitchers in particular. As much can go wrong as right with them.

[moonslav59]

i certainly see your point as well. I would counter by saying that many pitchers became great pitchers over time with much hard work. I will never get too excited about teenage pitchers in particular. As much can go wrong as right with them.

 

True enough, especially good young Sox pitchers who seemingly never pan out.

[cp176]

True enough, especially good young Sox pitchers who seemingly never pan out.

 

But some how this franchise just keeps rolling along. i think that many of us tend to focus on the bad stuff or things that we think could go wrong. i'm just saying that we have had a tremendous amount go right for us over the years. For all of this talk about poor pitcher development, not producing power hitters, poor trades, lousy coaching, and poor medical staff, i'm sure as hell glad that this is the team and the region that I support. This is a very wealthy, multi dimensional program that we have here. We all have our pet peeves and things that we feel the Sox could do a better job at but really - not too bad I'd say. We can question every move that is made but it is pretty tough to deny what the results overall have proven.

[Fisk]

But some how this franchise just keeps rolling along. i think that many of us tend to focus on the bad stuff or things that we think could go wrong. i'm just saying that we have had a tremendous amount go right for us over the years. For all of this talk about poor pitcher development, not producing power hitters, poor trades, lousy coaching, and poor medical staff, i'm sure as hell glad that this is the team and the region that I support. This is a very wealthy, multi dimensional program that we have here. We all have our pet peeves and things that we feel the Sox could do a better job at but really - not too bad I'd say. We can question every move that is made but it is pretty tough to deny what the results overall have proven.

 

We are living in a great era of sox baseball, people should really appreciate this ownership group. The sox have accomplished everything we could have hoped for when they purchased the team in 02. That being said we do need to do a better job developing pitching have struggled with it for the past few years. Believe with the added responsibility given to Brian Bannister, that we are moving in the right direction.

[Nick]

But some how this franchise just keeps rolling along. i think that many of us tend to focus on the bad stuff or things that we think could go wrong. i'm just saying that we have had a tremendous amount go right for us over the years. For all of this talk about poor pitcher development, not producing power hitters, poor trades, lousy coaching, and poor medical staff, i'm sure as hell glad that this is the team and the region that I support. This is a very wealthy, multi dimensional program that we have here. We all have our pet peeves and things that we feel the Sox could do a better job at but really - not too bad I'd say. We can question every move that is made but it is pretty tough to deny what the results overall have proven.

 

Let's look at Sox from the perspective of our chief antagonist, Buch Showalter.

 

I'm pretty sure he threw a tantrum when he heard we traded for Sale.......His exact word (my guess), F*ck (70% chance), Da@n (20% chance) or Sh!t (10%).

 

He probably kicks himself thinking about E Rod pitching several years for Sox, a kid he drafted.

 

Most of all he hates Sox for having the ability to spend near or over the luxury tax limit every year.

 

Things could be worse. We could be Baltimore fans.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Nick

[moonslav59]

But some how this franchise just keeps rolling along. i think that many of us tend to focus on the bad stuff or things that we think could go wrong. i'm just saying that we have had a tremendous amount go right for us over the years. For all of this talk about poor pitcher development, not producing power hitters, poor trades, lousy coaching, and poor medical staff, i'm sure as hell glad that this is the team and the region that I support. This is a very wealthy, multi dimensional program that we have here. We all have our pet peeves and things that we feel the Sox could do a better job at but really - not too bad I'd say. We can question every move that is made but it is pretty tough to deny what the results overall have proven.

 

Not bad at all.

 

These forums do tend to bring out more of what we think was done wrongly, but most of us Sox fans, especially the longer term ones, are tickled pink Henry took over this club and brought us 3 rings.

[moonslav59]

Buch Showalter....probably kicks himself thinking about E Rod pitching several years for Sox, a kid he drafted.

 

ERod was drafted two days after Buck was signed to manage the O's.

 

I doubt he had much, if anything, to do with the pick.

 

I'm sure he'd want him back though.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Let's look at Sox from the perspective of our chief antagonist, Buch Showalter.

 

I'm pretty sure he threw a tantrum when he heard we traded for Sale.......His exact word (my guess), F*ck (70% chance), Da@n (20% chance) or Sh!t (10%).

 

He probably kicks himself thinking about E Rod pitching several years for Sox, a kid he drafted.

 

Most of all he hates Sox for having the ability to spend near or over the luxury tax limit every year.

 

Things could be worse. We could be Baltimore fans.

 

No way we could be Baltimore fans. Even I'm not that much of a douchebag. Hell, I almost married an Orioles fan, and I still knew better than to do anything but hate them.

[Kimmi]

We are living in a great era of sox baseball, people should really appreciate this ownership group. The sox have accomplished everything we could have hoped for when they purchased the team in 02. That being said we do need to do a better job developing pitching have struggled with it for the past few years. Believe with the added responsibility given to Brian Bannister, that we are moving in the right direction.

 

This is definitely a great time to be a Red Sox fan. After our 3 year window, maybe not so much. Seriously though, since this ownership group took over, things have been great for us, so much so that we've become entitled. People don't like hearing that term, but IMO, it's very true. We've become what we've hated always hated about the Yankees.

 

Not me though. I'm still as sweet and lovable as always.

 

As far as Bannister is concerned, I'm a fan.

[Fisk]

This is definitely a great time to be a Red Sox fan. After our 3 year window, maybe not so much. Seriously though, since this ownership group took over, things have been great for us, so much so that we've become entitled. People don't like hearing that term, but IMO, it's very true. We've become what we've hated always hated about the Yankees.

 

Not me though. I'm still as sweet and lovable as always.

 

As far as Bannister is concerned, I'm a fan.

 

Love your attitude, you could never be as entitled as a Yankee fan. LOL.

[Spudboy]

Hmmm. I am not sure about that. Both fan bases have an ample supply of obnoxious ass holes.

 

Of course NY has more of them by a lot.

[Fisk]

Hmmm. I am not sure about that. Both fan bases have an ample supply of obnoxious ass holes.

 

Of course NY has more of them by a lot.

 

I grew up in the 70s a half hour from Yankee stadium being a Sox fan, lots of obnoxious *******s in that fan base.

[tombirner]

Let's look at Sox from the perspective of our chief antagonist, Buch Showalter.

 

I'm pretty sure he threw a tantrum when he heard we traded for Sale.......His exact word (my guess), F*ck (70% chance), Da@n (20% chance) or Sh!t (10%).

 

He probably kicks himself thinking about E Rod pitching several years for Sox, a kid he drafted.

 

Most of all he hates Sox for having the ability to spend near or over the luxury tax limit every year.

 

Things could be worse. We could be Baltimore fans.

 

 

Except for Rodriguez is wildly inconsistent and mediocre at best, at least to this point.

 

Yes, this is my first post, and yes, I am one of those traditional cynical pre-2004 Red Sox fans.

 

But seriously, hasn't E-Rod had the equivalent of a season or a season and a half in the majors now? What's he done, really? Feel he's overrated in these parts.

[a700hitter]

Except for Rodriguez is wildly inconsistent and mediocre at best, at least to this point.

 

Yes, this is my first post, and yes, I am one of those traditional cynical pre-2004 Red Sox fans.

 

But seriously, hasn't E-Rod had the equivalent of a season or a season and a half in the majors now? What's he done, really? Feel he's overrated in these parts.

People act like this was the equivalent of the DLowe and Tek for Slocumb deal. He hasn't done anything yet.

[Nick]

Except for Rodriguez is wildly inconsistent and mediocre at best, at least to this point.

 

Yes, this is my first post, and yes, I am one of those traditional cynical pre-2004 Red Sox fans.

 

But seriously, hasn't E-Rod had the equivalent of a season or a season and a half in the majors now? What's he done, really? Feel he's overrated in these parts.

 

I'm just poking fun at Orioles manager.....who is always needling us.

[mvp 78]

Drew: Hey guys. https://www.instagram.com/p/BVzqblWgIJ5/ My wife is cooking up some crow. Hungry?

 

Me: Ok. Can I hold out until the end of the season tho?

[cp176]

Drew: Hey guys. https://www.instagram.com/p/BVzqblWgIJ5/ My wife is cooking up some crow. Hungry?

 

Me: Ok. Can I hold out until the end of the season tho?

 

Good fans get do overs! lol