Red Sox Acquire Drew Pomeranz

[iortiz]

Drew Pomeranz at a glance ladies and gentlemen.

 

IPs/ERA/FIP/SIERA/K9/BB9/HR/FB/GB%

 

2014 69/2.35/3.77/3.62/8.35/3.39/10.4/45.7%

2015 86/3.66/3.62/3.73/8.58/3.24/9.3/42.2%

2016 102/2.47/3.18/3.75/3.2/10.15/3.62/8.8/47.8%

 

Seriously guys, he is arguably a No 1-2 type pitcher and in Red Sox standards he is an ace.

[iortiz]

No way Jose

 

I'd make it in a heart beat.

 

Fernandez

Price

Pomeranz

Wright

Porcello

 

How does it sound?

[Jack Flap]

Drew Pomeranz at a glance ladies and gentlemen.

 

IPs/ERA/FIP/SIERA/K9/BB9/HR/FB/GB%

 

2014 69/2.35/3.77/3.62/8.35/3.39/10.4/45.7%

2015 86/3.66/3.62/3.73/8.58/3.24/9.3/42.2%

2016 102/2.47/3.18/3.75/3.2/10.15/3.62/8.8/47.8%

 

Seriously guys, he is arguably a No 1-2 type pitcher and in Red Sox standards he is an ace.

 

Like I said, let's hope so.

[Emp9]

Goddamnit. As soon as I think DD gets it after some really nice trades...

 

I like Pomeranz, but not this much. What's done is done though. I won't bitch forever.

 

Price

Wright

Porcello

Pomeranz

ERod

 

Killer P's??? Too much to ask? Probably

[User Name]

Motherf***er.

[jonnylongfella]

Well, considering we just got Jason Groome signed, it makes losing Espinoza that much easier. DD likely made the offer knowing this was about to get done.

[User Name]

One thing to note: Dave Dombrowski is usually right when he makes these types of trades both with who he deals away, and who he acquires.

[southpaw777]

I'd make it in a heart beat.

 

Fernandez

Price

Pomeranz

Wright

Porcello

 

How does it sound?

 

I wouldnt pay that much for any pitcher...Besides, ive changed my stance on Fernandez. His mechanics scare me. Something i really didnt notice until pointed out to me recently.

[Hugh2]

how is a guy who has never pitched more than 102 innings at the MLB level arguably a #1 pitcher???

How is he going to handle himself in the A.L. east and in a hitters park?

How is his stuff going to play up at 150 innings plus? in the playoffs when he's fatigued?

How is a guy who has average one of the highest P/PA in baseball going to fair against A.L hitters at Fenway?

 

The guy is good, and I actually advocated for him in the trade thread before anyone else (that I can remember) but it's not like he doesn't come without questions. No true top of the rotation starter has serious questions.

 

I hope I'm wrong as he could just be continuing to take steps forward and excel here, but I can just as easily see him not being more than a #3 #4 starter here. Yes, that still makes this team a lot better right now, but It came at a very steep price.

[Hugh2]

One thing is for sure.....it's a sellers market right now.

[FredLynn]

I'm shocked, I figured they'd trade Devers and Kopech but Espinoza is the best pitching prospect I can ever remember the Sox having. Pomeranz is good but he's not elite guy.

 

Ummm...he is an 18 year old untested SP with an ERA in the mid 4s this year. Maybe he will be good, maybe he won't. Pomeranz is an all star with very good ERA+ numbers for the past three years. We weren't going to get anyone decent for a Trey Ball or a Henry Owens. You want to make the playoffs this year, you gotta give to get.

[southpaw777]

Well, considering we just got Jason Groome signed, it makes losing Espinoza that much easier. DD likely made the offer knowing this was about to get done.

 

Very true. Good point

DD has a good track record with these kinds of trades. He seems to be a really good evaluator of talent.

[FredLynn]

Espinoza is a big overpay for a guy with just a half season of proven quality pitching.

 

The Padres traded for this guy last winter for peanuts. Apparently, we didn't like him that much just 4-5 months ago.

 

Drew Pomeranz ERA+ the past 2 1/2 years: 159/108/161. Half a season? Which half of those two and a half years were you referring to?

[bowman]

We just added a big piece. Maybe DD is thinking outside the box and will use Pom with others to land the big fish... Just a thought.

[Hugh2]

Ummm...he is an 18 year old untested SP with an ERA in the mid 4s this year. Maybe he will be good, maybe he won't. Pomeranz is an all star with very good ERA+ numbers for the past three years. We weren't going to get anyone decent for a Trey Ball or a Henry Owens. You want to make the playoffs this year, you gotta give to get.

 

Yes his ERA is in the mid 4's because he's tired. He's insanely advanced for his age, he's the same age as a highschooler facing college aged hitters. His arm is young and still building stamina, it's very common for someone like him to fatigue.

 

I'd be willing to bet Espinozas ERA goes even higher and his prospect status and rank doesn't go down one spot by the year end rankings. BOOK IT, also of note he was the youngest player in single A baseball.

 

I'm aware we were'nt getting anyone for Owens or Ball, I never suggested we would so I don't know where that comes from.

 

This team is flush with offense and has more offensive prospects, I would have easily rather of traded Devers+ for the guy.

[iortiz]

I wouldnt pay that much for any pitcher...Besides, ive changed my stance on Fernandez. His mechanics scare me. Something i really didnt notice until pointed out to me recently.

 

Well he is a 2.6 ERA/12.91 K/2.6 BB/2.13 FIP/2.61 SIERA/3.9 WAR --thus far.

 

Not sure where is the worry my friend LOL!

 

Also,We have XB, JBJ, Peddy and Mookie, for what? at least 4 more years?

[Hugh2]

Well he is a 2.6 ERA/12.91 K/2.6 BB/2.13 FIP/2.61 SIERA/3.9 WAR --thus far.

 

Not sure where is the worry my friend LOL!

 

Also,We have XB, JBJ, Peddy and Mookie, for what? at least 4 more years?

 

Bogaerts for only 3 more after his year.

[User Name]

I'd hate the trade if it wasn't Dombrowski doing it to be honest. But again, dude has made making trades like this with his team being the clear winner in the end an art form.

[iortiz]

Bogaerts for only 3 more after his year.

 

He is going to be locked out soon, wait and see.

[FredLynn]

I mean, to be fair DD has a good reputation in the trade market but it's not a perfect record.

 

The knock on Espinoza has been his size, and that has had some concerned about his ability to go 200 innings at the MLB level. But others have said that his delivery is so smooth and controlled that they see him easily being able to handle those rigors despite his size. I hate comps, but for those reason many compared Espinoza to Pedro Martinez.

 

Right. Espinoza, age 18 with a very mediocre record in A ball is the next coming of Pedro Martinez. Such comparisons are as absurd as they sound. I realize I might be eating my words in 3-4 years-as much as I realize that those who are ready to jump off a bridge right now might be eating theirs. This team needed more pitching THIS YEAR, right now, if they want to make the playoffs. Guess thats not important to some.

[Eddy Ballgame]

I think signing Groome definitely eased the sting of moving Espinoza. Signing Groome was no guarantee and he's been called the best pitching prospect since Kershaw.

 

I also wonder if the organization feels Espinoza may have some other "issues." Who knows. Someone mentioned Iglesias & that was the case with him. It'll be several years before this trade will be able to be judged fairly.

 

I get fans being upset about moving Espinoza, as his ceiling is as high as it gets for an 18 year old, but it takes a lot more than talent alone to succeed at that level.

[S5Dewey]

how is a guy who has never pitched more than 102 innings at the MLB level arguably a #1 pitcher???

How is he going to handle himself in the A.L. east and in a hitters park?

How is his stuff going to play up at 150 innings plus? in the playoffs when he's fatigued?

How is a guy who has average one of the highest P/PA in baseball going to fair against A.L hitters at Fenway?

 

The guy is good, and I actually advocated for him in the trade thread before anyone else (that I can remember) but it's not like he doesn't come without questions. No true top of the rotation starter has serious questions.

 

I hope I'm wrong as he could just be continuing to take steps forward and excel here, but I can just as easily see him not being more than a #3 #4 starter here. Yes, that still makes this team a lot better right now, but It came at a very steep price.

 

All true, but he was traded for a guy who's never sniffed anything above Class A yet. At least Pomeratz has a track record.

 

I haven't seen Espinoza pitch and I was 'fired up' about him based on what I heard, but at the end of the day he's still a prospect. Granted, a good prospect, but he got traded for an established ML player, someone who's proven he can at least get to the ML's.

 

This trade may turn around and bite us on the ass in five years. Who knows? But for right now we got an established pitcher and gave up one who's three steps below Major League Baseball. Given the failure rate for prospects that's a gamble I'm willing to take.

[a700hitter]

Well he is a 2.6 ERA/12.91 K/2.6 BB/2.13 FIP/2.61 SIERA/3.9 WAR --thus far.

 

Not sure where is the worry my friend LOL!

 

Also,We have XB, JBJ, Peddy and Mookie, for what? at least 4 more years?

I don't know why people want position players stacked up in the minors stuck behind our young major leaguers when they can be used to get us needed pitching. Keeping our prospects will not get us pitching.

[FredLynn]

I'm just not buying the fact that our scouts and management went from not liking Pomeranz enough to out bid the Padres (who acquired Pomeranz from the A’s for Yonder Alonso and Marc Rzepczynski) to thinking he's worth Espinoza now after just 100 IP more or experience.

 

The more I think about it, the more I'm getting depressed.

 

I'm with Hugh on this one. I'd rather have gone much larger to get someone more established and less risky.

 

That would have worked too. Fact is, DD obtained an all star pitcher with good numbers for 2 1/2 years for an A player with *potential*. We weren't getting him for Clay Buchholz, Trey Ball, Joe Kelly etc etc. You have to give to receive. Its likely that DD explored getting a better pitcher and was not successful. I like the deal. Its a win today attitude.

[User Name]

I think signing Groome definitely eased the sting of moving Espinoza. Signing Groome was no guarantee and he's been called the best pitching prospect since Kershaw.

 

I also wonder if the organization feels Espinoza may have some other "issues." Who knows. Someone mentioned Iglesias & that was the case with him. It'll be several years before this trade will be able to be judged fairly.

 

I get fans being upset about moving Espinoza, as his ceiling is as high as it gets for an 18 year old, but it takes a lot more than talent alone to succeed at that level.

 

Size. Dombrowski is not a fan of smaller-framed pitchers with high velocity as starters.

[southpaw777]

Well he is a 2.6 ERA/12.91 K/2.6 BB/2.13 FIP/2.61 SIERA/3.9 WAR --thus far.

 

Not sure where is the worry my friend LOL!

 

Also,We have XB, JBJ, Peddy and Mookie, for what? at least 4 more years?

 

I see shoulder issues within the next couple years

I may be wrong. Just a somewhat unprofessional educated opinion

One thing for sure is he is dominating right now and is going to bank someday if he can stay healthy.

[S5Dewey]

Size. Dombrowski is not a fan of smaller-framed pitchers with high velocity as starters.

 

That's two things DD & I have in common. We both put a lot of stock in defense too.

[Eddy Ballgame]

Boston isn't going to let their franchise poster boy walk in 3 years. He's a homegrown star SS. The Sox answer to Jeter. The Sox also have a solid working relationship with Boras.

[Hugh2]

I'd hate the trade if it wasn't Dombrowski doing it to be honest. But again, dude has made making trades like this with his team being the clear winner in the end an art form.

 

Well if thats the theme I hope Pomeranz is the next Max Scherzer who didn't really become a great pitcher until he was traded for by DD and had been in the league for 6-7 years.

[FredLynn]

If that comment is for real, you have no credibility now.

 

I believe Hugh's comment was cynical...at least I hope so. Ben is out of baseball for a reason: he is incompetent. We will not be seeing him as GM again, but if we do, I hope he becomes Cashman's replacement.