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It was not a terrible start. His Fangraphs Gamescore for that game was 42. By their definition, a Gamescore between 40 and 50 is "Below Average". As I said, it wasn't a good start, but it wasn't terrible.

 

One of his best starts of the year was simply "below average." Ok?

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Buch has been garbage. We don't need advanced stats or analytics or fangraphs to know that. If the numbers and graphs don't support that he has been garbage, then someone got the numbers or the graphs wrong.
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I wish I could remember the details, but didn't the Sox get censured, investigated...something.... for stashing non-injured players on the DL a few years ago?
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I wish I could remember the details, but didn't the Sox get censured, investigated...something.... for stashing non-injured players on the DL a few years ago?

 

Lie detector tests for team medical staff?

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Farrell won't commit to Buch. Sounds like ERod is coming up and Buch will be phantom DL'd

 

Knowing Buchholz it may not be so phantom.

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Knowing Buchholz it may not be so phantom.

 

Yeah. :-( I don't see any way this ends well for Buch. This goes back to what was said last year about Hanley. If he has an injury what's he doing out there? And if he doesn't have an injury, what's he doing out there?

 

I have no patience with any player who hides an injury that makes his performance a negative influence on the team. That is, they're playing worse than the player who would replace them. And believe me, players know when they're hurting the team.

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I wish I could remember the details, but didn't the Sox get censured, investigated...something.... for stashing non-injured players on the DL a few years ago?

 

Perhaps they could hire Moose and Rocco to "induce" a real injury.

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I have the role for him. From all reports, he runs very well (didn't he supposedly beat Mookie in a foot race). He can serve as a pinch runner for Ortiz or Hanigan late in a game where the Sox need to score to tie a game up. Worst case, in that role maybe he scores a time or two in a crucial situation. Best case is he hurts himself and gives the Sox a real injury with which to DL him. Edited by illinoisredsox
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In all seriousness. Once ERod comes back (and assuming he shows anything at all), they have to DFA him. He really looks like he needs a change of scenery to have any hope of resurrecting his career. It's not going to happen in Boston. If he goes 10-2 with the Padres with a 2.75 ERA, it doesn't matter because the only value he has to the Red Sox is what he can contribute to THEM.
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Yeah. :-( I don't see any way this ends well for Buch. This goes back to what was said last year about Hanley. If he has an injury what's he doing out there? And if he doesn't have an injury, what's he doing out there?

 

I have no patience with any player who hides an injury that makes his performance a negative influence on the team. That is, they're playing worse than the player who would replace them. And believe me, players know when they're hurting the team.

 

Hanley was really injured. He has a bum shoulder that he aggravated.

 

Unfortunately, Clay seems to be healthier than he has ever been. I guess good health doesn't suit him. Time for him to take his services elswhere, as the Sox have really stuck with him for long enough. It just isn't working for him in Boston anymore.

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you'd be lucky to trade clay in a deal that was similar to the Melancon trade -- bundled with some middling minor league talent to get a couple guys with a bit of immediate upside. Fortunately for us, one of those guys was Brock Holt. so if you can, target a bit player with some upside, and make the move. I don't think you can get a deal right now (or in the preseason, since Clay hadn't been great in 2015 either) that would get you more back than that.

 

It's not like other teams don't know about his dependability issues. A team's not going to trade a big asset for a guy they can't count on. Any team that traded for Buchholz would trade for him because they thought they could fix him. That changes the discussion of exactly what we should expect to get back.

 

We got Wright for a pathetic Lars Anderson so i imagine some Gms would think that getting Clay out of Boston and in their rotation would be good..I still think his upside still has the eye of other Gms.

It would have to be a bit of a gem lost in the crowd, like a Holt or Wright, but who cares. Hes kinda useless right now.

Hes really not much better than what we have in AAA.

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I have the role for him. From all reports, he runs very well (didn't he supposedly beat Mookie in a foot race). He can serve as a pinch runner for Ortiz or Hanigan late in a game where the Sox need to score to tie a game up. Worst case, in that role maybe he scores a time or two in a crucial situation. Best case is he hurts himself and gives the Sox a real injury with which to DL him.

 

Lol... "Stupid like a fox!" Hahaha

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Ankle injury. Rotoworld is reporting that he might miss the rest of the season, suggest significant ligamentous damage. Re-eval in 2 weeks will determine
Buh Bye to his trade value.
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Back in mid-April, I fell two feet doing yard work and I sprained my ankle reeaally f***in' bad. Theres still the slightest swell to it and although its much better now almost 2 months later i still feel it a little. Swihart should be fine from the latest report i read. His immediate trade value may be hurt if we planned on trading him to a contender this season, but I doubt it significantly hurts his value at all. Any team looking to rebuild that was interested in him before this happened isn't going to let a sprained ankle get in the way of how they see him.
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It looked absolutely horrible. How he hasn't broken it I'll never know...

 

Hoping for the best, but a season ender it looked like at the time.

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He is new at playing the OF. He plays hard and they threw him into the outfield in the major leagues with almost no experience in Fenway's LF with all the angles, lack of foul territory, bolts extruding from the scoreboard etc. It was an accident waiting to happen. Enough of these LF experiments! They don't work.
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It looked absolutely horrible. How he hasn't broken it I'll never know...

 

Hoping for the best, but a season ender it looked like at the time.

 

Sometimes a break is better than a sprain "they say". I guess I feel for him a bit more because i just had that happen, left ankle too. Can't believe it wasn't broken. I have a pretty high tolerance for pain ( I am a Red Sox fan after all :) ) I was on the ground alot longer than Swihart was. I realize that could mean nothing as far as the extent of injury though. I'm sure he'll be out more than 2 weeks, but I would wait on all the doom & gloom until after the 2 week prognosis.

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Looks like Blake Swihart will probably be out for another month with a very bad ankle sprain...hanny is out too...team recalled Leon and Castillo

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