2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[a700hitter]

Dude ought to change his name.

LOL! He must have been tough in school.

[Hugh2]

If the Sox do think Benintendi is MLB ready by July 31st they could bring him up to play LF, trade high on Shaw and have Hill/Holt platoon at 3B.

 

No worries......we will have the Panda back next year!!!!

[moonslav59]

I didn't realize that either. Stanky is after next season. Time flies i guess.

 

You bring up a good point, I think if Ben stayed on he would've no doubt learned a lot from DD. I also think DD has realized to a certain extent the philosophy Ben was on, the talent he was sitting on at the lower levels, and why that train of thought is now paying huge dividends. I give a lot of respect to DD for coming in and not firing everyone on the spot and bringing in all new people who have no idea where the organization was at. I think he gets it, for the most part.

 

I'm not sure how much of a rule 5 squeeze we'll have next winter. We lose Papi, Uehara, Tazawa, Hill and Ziegler and have options on Buch and Hanigan. We may add 2 SP'ers and 2 RP'ers and maybe a bat, so that still leaves 2-3 slots without having to DFA anyone. We also have quite a few guys I wouldn't mind DFA'ing, so I just don't see a roster number crunch.

 

Here are this winter's rule 5 players:

 

Jose Almonte, L. Alexander Basabe, Danny Bethea, Ty Buttrey, Jamie Callahan, Carlos Coste, Allen Craig, Jake Drehoff, Jeff Driskel, Jeffry Fernandez, Pat Goetze, Reed Gragnani, Taylor Grover, Justin Haley, Juan Hernandez, Dedgar Jimenez, Raiwinson Lameda, Angelo LeClerc, Tzu-Wei Lin, Deiner Lopez, Austin Maddox, Brandon Magee, Kyle Martin, Mike McCarthy, Daniel McGrath, Simon Mercedes, Mike Meyers, Mike Miller, Yankory Pimentel, Tim Roberson, Javier Rodriguez, Jake Romanski, Dioscar Romero, Ramses Rosario, Robby Scott, Teddy Stankiewicz, Aneury Tavarez, German Taveras, JT Watkins, Jordan Weems, Jantzen Witte, Luis Ysla

[southpaw777]

I'm not sure how much of a rule 5 squeeze we'll have next winter. We lose Papi, Uehara, Tazawa, Hill and Ziegler and have options on Buch and Hanigan. We may add 2 SP'ers and 2 RP'ers and maybe a bat, so that still leaves 2-3 slots without having to DFA anyone. We also have quite a few guys I wouldn't mind DFA'ing, so I just don't see a roster number crunch.

 

Here are this winter's rule 5 players:

 

Jose Almonte, L. Alexander Basabe, Danny Bethea, Ty Buttrey, Jamie Callahan, Carlos Coste, Allen Craig, Jake Drehoff, Jeff Driskel, Jeffry Fernandez, Pat Goetze, Reed Gragnani, Taylor Grover, Justin Haley, Juan Hernandez, Dedgar Jimenez, Raiwinson Lameda, Angelo LeClerc, Tzu-Wei Lin, Deiner Lopez, Austin Maddox, Brandon Magee, Kyle Martin, Mike McCarthy, Daniel McGrath, Simon Mercedes, Mike Meyers, Mike Miller, Yankory Pimentel, Tim Roberson, Javier Rodriguez, Jake Romanski, Dioscar Romero, Ramses Rosario, Robby Scott, Teddy Stankiewicz, Aneury Tavarez, German Taveras, JT Watkins, Jordan Weems, Jantzen Witte, Luis Ysla

 

How does the rule 5 work for Craig with his contract? Anyone know?

[Jack Flap]

If the Sox do think Benintendi is MLB ready by July 31st they could bring him up to play LF, trade high on Shaw and have Hill/Holt platoon at 3B.

 

No worries......we will have Moncada next year!!!!

 

Fixed.

 

I agree that a Shaw trade is worth considering with Hill now in the fold and other 3B/1B options available for next year. He's already been worth about 2 WAR at midseason and has 5 years of control after 2016, so he should get a strong return. Might be a way to help us grab a pretty good pitcher without giving up the big prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Dude ought to change his name.

 

No love for Eddie Stanky?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stanked01.shtml

[Hugh2]

Fixed.

 

I agree that a Shaw trade is worth considering with Hill now in the fold and other 3B/1B options available for next year. He's already been worth about 2 WAR at midseason and has 5 years of control after 2016, so he should get a strong return. Might be a way to help us grab a pretty good pitcher without giving up the big prospects.

 

You don't believe in the Kung Foo panda? I sure as hell don't.

 

I was joking up until now, but in a perfect world Pablo would come back determined, in shape, rebuild his value giving Moncada another 1/2 year in the minors next year. The Sox can then trade Panda and Bring Moncada up next June/July. This.....is wishful thinking, but we do live in a crazy world.

[Hugh2]

I like the symmetry of a trade of Anderson Espinoza, Andrew Benintendi and a lower-level prospect for Julio Teheran and Nick Markakis.

 

Benintendi reminds me of a young Markakis, another lefthand-hitting, lefthand-throwing outfielder taken with the No. 7 pick of an MLB draft (with a Mediterranean-sounding surname to boot).

 

The Braves get younger versions of their traded players while the Red Sox get an All Star starting pitcher and another option in the outfield.

 

To revisit this proposal. Julio Teheran is ranked #45 on fangraphs trad value rankings. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

Meanwhile Andrew Benintendi is ranked 38th http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-31-to-40/

 

Not sure were Anderson Espinoza would rank, but Julio Urias is ranked ahead of him as well at 36th and the consensus is building among scouts that Anderson Espinoza has a higher ceiling. I would concede his value might be a touch lower due to the fact that he's further away. But Benintendi + Espinoza for Teheran + an aging declinging sub .700 opsing outfielder the Sox don't need seems a bit ridiculous to me. Most around baseball feel Teheran is having a good year but does not have the stuff to be better than a mid rotation starter.

[Jack Flap]

You don't believe in the Kung Foo panda? I sure as hell don't.

 

I was joking up until now, but in a perfect world Pablo would come back determined, in shape, rebuild his value giving Moncada another 1/2 year in the minors next year. The Sox can then trade Panda and Bring Moncada up next June/July. This.....is wishful thinking, but we do live in a crazy world.

 

Not particularly, no.

 

As you say, though, Panda showing up in shape and ready to play next spring, rebuilding some trade value and allowing Moncada to spend a few months in Triple-A, would probably be the ideal scenario.

[mvp 78]

Showing up in shape? Buchholz has a better chance at a career in body building.

[Jack Flap]

Well, I really mean better shape relative to what we saw last year/early this year. He's graded on a pretty generous curve.

[mvp 78]

Well, I really mean better shape relative to what we saw last year/early this year. He's graded on a pretty generous curve.

 

Yup, Pablo's curves are very generous.

[illinoisredsox]

Showing up in shape? Buchholz has a better chance at a career in body building.

 

Round is a shape.

[SoxnCycles]

To revisit this proposal. Julio Teheran is ranked #45 on fangraphs trad value rankings. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

Meanwhile Andrew Benintendi is ranked 38th http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-31-to-40/

 

Not sure were Anderson Espinoza would rank, but Julio Urias is ranked ahead of him as well at 36th and the consensus is building among scouts that Anderson Espinoza has a higher ceiling. I would concede his value might be a touch lower due to the fact that he's further away. But Benintendi + Espinoza for Teheran + an aging declinging sub .700 opsing outfielder the Sox don't need seems a bit ridiculous to me. Most around baseball feel Teheran is having a good year but does not have the stuff to be better than a mid rotation starter.

 

I was surprised the Sox traded Wilkerson before giving him a shot at the #5 spot.

Trading another minor leaguer with the potential of Espinoza for a pitcher like Terehan would be a mistake.

 

I know trading for a really good starter will be painful, but if there are going to be as many question marks involved as there is with Teheran. I'd rather beef up the pen and make do with what we have for starters.

Save the prospects for off season trades this winter. Hopefully, the market will be more diverse then.

[mvp 78]

I know trading for a really good starter will be painful, but if there are going to be as many question marks involved as there is with Teheran. I'd rather beef up the pen and make do with what we have for starters.

Save the prospects for off season trades this winter. Hopefully, the market will be more diverse then.

 

I'd want to augment our 4/5 guys, but the price is probably too high at the trade deadline. I agree that the Sox would be better served making moves in the offseason.

[Kimmi]

No love for Eddie Stanky?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stanked01.shtml

 

When I hear 'Stanky', all I can think of is the 'Stankees'. I wouldn't wish that name on anyone who's not a Yankees fan. LOL

[Kimmi]

You don't believe in the Kung Foo panda? I sure as hell don't.

 

I was joking up until now, but in a perfect world Pablo would come back determined, in shape, rebuild his value giving Moncada another 1/2 year in the minors next year. The Sox can then trade Panda and Bring Moncada up next June/July. This.....is wishful thinking, but we do live in a crazy world.

 

I'm going to go with this. Perhaps I set my expectations too high, but I would think that after losing his job this year, Pablo will be highly motivated to come into camp next season in better shape and ready to play. I understand that he has a difficult time keeping the weight off, but he's been able to lose before when he's motivated to do so.

 

#GoPanda

[Jack Flap]

To revisit this proposal. Julio Teheran is ranked #45 on fangraphs trad value rankings. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

Meanwhile Andrew Benintendi is ranked 38th http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-31-to-40/

 

Not sure were Anderson Espinoza would rank, but Julio Urias is ranked ahead of him as well at 36th and the consensus is building among scouts that Anderson Espinoza has a higher ceiling. I would concede his value might be a touch lower due to the fact that he's further away. But Benintendi + Espinoza for Teheran + an aging declinging sub .700 opsing outfielder the Sox don't need seems a bit ridiculous to me. Most around baseball feel Teheran is having a good year but does not have the stuff to be better than a mid rotation starter.

 

 

Saw this yesterday. Bradley is at #28 and Moncada #26 in today's segment. It looks like Espinoza did not make it (probably due to sheer distance from the majors, as you mentioned), but Bogey and Betts will be in the top 20.

[Kimmi]

Fixed.

 

I agree that a Shaw trade is worth considering with Hill now in the fold and other 3B/1B options available for next year. He's already been worth about 2 WAR at midseason and has 5 years of control after 2016, so he should get a strong return. Might be a way to help us grab a pretty good pitcher without giving up the big prospects.

 

Most of the trade speculation has been centered around the 'obvious' candidates. Dombrowski could just as well pull off a trade for a decent starting pitcher that no one saw coming. As far as I recall, no one talked about either Hill or Ziegler coming to the Sox, but now that they're here, they both make perfect sense, and their costs were reasonable.

 

We've been focusing a lot on teams that are obvious sellers. Perhaps there's a team out there who is a buyer, who really needs a 3B or a catcher?

[Bellhorn04]

I think Rich Hill might be a good get. The guy has actually pitched fantastically well since last September. Beane will be trading him somewhere, that's for sure.

[Jack Flap]

I'd be perfectly happy to land Hill.

[moonslav59]

I'm always hesitant to trade for a rental, even though the cost is less than trying for a longer term solution.

 

Then, there's Hill's health and injury dilemma.

 

The thing that tips my opinion away from a rental is the fact that next winter's FA starter's list is short and weak. Usually, it's easier to solve long term solutions during the winter, but next winter may be harder to do that.

[mvp 78]

I'm always hesitant to trade for a rental, even though the cost is less than trying for a longer term solution.

 

Then, there's Hill's health and injury dilemma.

 

The thing that tips my opinion away from a rental is the fact that next winter's FA starter's list is short and weak. Usually, it's easier to solve long term solutions during the winter, but next winter may be harder to do that.

 

But Hill isn't signed through next year? He becomes FA in November.

[moonslav59]

But Hill isn't signed through next year? He becomes FA in November.

 

Yes, that's why I'm saying we should strive for a non-rental.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, that's why I'm saying we should strive for a non-rental.

 

Hill shouldn't cost a big haul in prospects though.

[mvp 78]

I hope they don't reach for DeSclafani. It would be miserable reading his name all garbled on here.

[moonslav59]

Hill shouldn't cost a big haul in prospects though.

 

I thought giving Iggy for Peavy was too high.

 

I think Hill may cost us Devers or Travis & TBall.

 

I want to win now, but not by that much.

[Hugh2]

I thought giving Iggy for Peavy was too high.

 

I think Hill may cost us Devers or Travis & TBall.

 

I want to win now, but not by that much.

 

No way they'd trade Devers for Hill, no team would, that's a huge overpay. Travis & TBall is more realistic, I'd give up Ball in heartbeat but Travis would be a little bit harder but he might be redundant in this system and he's more of a higher floor guy anyways.

[cp176]

I tend to agree with you in general but calling Travis redundant in the system? Who isn't? I would not trade either Devers or Travis for Hill. Maybe we wouldn't get him. Oh well. We have just a small sample of Travis so far. I like what I saw. He can hit.

[southpaw777]

I thought giving Iggy for Peavy was too high.

 

I think Hill may cost us Devers or Travis & TBall.

 

I want to win now, but not by that much.

 

I doubt he costs a lot with his injury history, age, and innings.

Devers or Shaw would be a no. Im thinking closer to the last couple trades we made. Rich Hill scares me.