2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[harmony]

HELL NO to the Atlanta deal...are you f***ing nuts?

Is that proposal nuttier than the Red Sox trading the SoxProspects No. 4, 6, 13 and 25 prospects for two years of a 27-year-old reliever who was owed $25 million? The Red Sox package included prospects ranked No. 14 and No. 56 by Baseball Prospectus in February.

 

Bear in mind that 25-year-old Julio Teheran remains under team control for four-and-a-half years for about $40 million total (not counting the $50,000 bonus for his All Star selection this year).

 

Bear mind that Teheran has doubled Craig Kimbrel's fWAR so far this year.

 

The Red Sox may not be willing to meet the demands for a starter of Teheran's caliber and team control but the Braves are justified is asking a high price.

Edited July 8, 2016 by harmony

[Hugh2]

Is that proposal nuttier than the Red Sox trading the SoxProspects No. 4, 6, 13 and 15 prospects for two years of a 27-year-old reliever who was owed $25 million? The Red Sox package included prospects ranked No. 14 and No. 56 by Baseball Prospectus in February.

 

Bear in mind that 25-year-old Julio Teheran remains under team control for four-and-a-half years for about $40 million total (not counting the $50,000 bonus for his All Star selection this year).

 

Bear mind that Teheran has doubled Craig Kimbrel's fWAR so far this year.

 

The Red Sox may not be willing to meet the demands for a starter of Teheran's caliber and team control but the Braves are justified is asking a high price.

 

And that deal by consensus was considered an overpay by the Sox. Teams overpay, and get steals all the time. Perhaps a G.M. out there would make that trade, but that would be a bad trade for the Boston Red Sox and I think DD would be chased out of town if he gave up both Benintendi and Espinoza for a middle of the rotation starter.

[harmony]

One thing missing here: Beckett's playoff performance in 2003:

 

42.2 IP

10 ER (2.11 ERA)

21 H

12 BB

47 Ks

Including beating the Yanks in the WS.

 

Beckett was a "money pitcher" and up until 2008 was on pace to become one of the best playoff SP'ers of all time.

 

Then, the cliff.

Also missing are the innings totals for Josh Beckett and Julio Teheran.

 

In the three seasons before his trade to Boston, Josh Beckett totaled 142, 156.2 and 178.2 innings:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckejo02.shtml

 

In the last three seasons Julio Teheran has totaled 185.2, 221 and 200.2 innings:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/teherju01.shtml

 

With 112.2 innings so far this year, Teheran is on pace for 211.1 innings.

 

The ability to eat innings alone has value.

[Kimmi]

Is that proposal nuttier than the Red Sox trading the SoxProspects No. 4, 6, 13 and 25 prospects for two years of a 27-year-old reliever who was owed $25 million? The Red Sox package included prospects ranked No. 14 and No. 56 by Baseball Prospectus in February.

 

Bear in mind that 25-year-old Julio Teheran remains under team control for four-and-a-half years for about $40 million total (not counting the $50,000 bonus for his All Star selection this year).

 

Bear mind that Teheran has doubled Craig Kimbrel's fWAR so far this year.

 

The Red Sox may not be willing to meet the demands for a starter of Teheran's caliber and team control but the Braves are justified is asking a high price.

 

Yeah, we overpaid for Kimbrel. Not that I'm not happy about having him on my team, but we overpaid.

[Nick]

I will always have a soft spot for Beckett for beating the Yankees before becoming a Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

Beckett had two sensational postseasons that earned him 2 rings, one against the Yanks and one for the Sox. Quite an achievement.

[moonslav59]

Also missing are the innings totals for Josh Beckett and Julio Teheran.

 

In the three seasons before his trade to Boston, Josh Beckett totaled 142, 156.2 and 178.2 innings:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckejo02.shtml

 

In the last three seasons Julio Teheran has totaled 185.2, 221 and 200.2 innings:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/teherju01.shtml

 

With 112.2 innings so far this year, Teheran is on pace for 211.1 innings.

 

The ability to eat innings alone has value.

 

And, maybe all those IP'd at a young age is a precursor to future injury issues, especially with his poor mechanics.

 

You could add Beckett's 43 IP in the playoffs to his numbers and it would close that gap somewhat.

 

We could go on and on.

[d-money]

This team needs starting pitching point blank.

[harmony]

Aaron Hill and Brad Ziegler are solid acquisitions at reasonable costs but the starting rotation still needs attention.

[cp176]

Aaron Hill and Brad Ziegler are solid acquisitions at reasonable costs but the starting rotation still needs attention.

 

DD is not done.

[Bellhorn04]

This team needs starting pitching point blank.

 

Aaron Hill and Brad Ziegler are solid acquisitions at reasonable costs but the starting rotation still needs attention.

 

Thank you Captains Obvious.

[southpaw777]

Time to fast track Benintendi to Boston...

Since June 1st. 315. 379. 577

Enough with the platoon and injuries for LF. The kid is a pure ballplayer. He has murdered every level so far, with AA being the only slight learning curve of about a week. At least bring him up to AAA and get him up here ASAP.

I said at the begining of the year that there was a decent shot at Benni being in Boston some time this year. I still think its an even better possibility now wih the way hes hitting and the rash of injuries.

[Kimmi]

I will always have a soft spot for Beckett for beating the Yankees before becoming a Sox.

 

Me too. I loved Beckett, even after all of the 'chicken and beer' stuff. Personally, I think he got a bum rap for that.

 

Beckett helped me survive the sour taste in my mouth from the 2003 ALCS. It would have been unbearable had the Yankees won the World Series that year. I have been a Beckett fan since then.

[Kimmi]

DD is not done.

 

No he's not.

 

I will be shocked if we don't get at least one starting pitcher.

[Kimmi]

Time to fast track Benintendi to Boston...

Since June 1st. 315. 379. 577

Enough with the platoon and injuries for LF. The kid is a pure ballplayer. He has murdered every level so far, with AA being the only slight learning curve of about a week. At least bring him up to AAA and get him up here ASAP.

I said at the begining of the year that there was a decent shot at Benni being in Boston some time this year. I still think its an even better possibility now wih the way hes hitting and the rash of injuries.

 

I don't think he should be called up before September unless the situation becomes dire.

[Emp9]

I don't think he should be called up before September unless the situation becomes dire.

 

We're on the same page here evidently. I revert to what the Red Sox Org. feels what's right. We rushed Betts and it worked out. We rushed JBJ a bunch of times and that had much more gnashing of teeth, but in the long run worked out thank our lucky stars. I'm not too sure what to expect if we brought Benny up, but one has to prepare for a few slumps here and there and not let those slumps define him.

[S5Dewey]

As tempting as it is to bring Benny up quickly, especially now with Holt down for an indeterminate time, I want that extra year of control to find out who he really is and minor league baseball doesn't always tell that. Sometimes it takes a few trips to Pawtucket and back, and even then sometimes we can't be sure.

 

We (and by "we" I mean some posters) tend to get tied up in the moment. They tend be impatient and want young players to be called up early. I can still remember when some posters wanted JBJ to be used as trade bait because "he can't hit".

 

I keep hearing that Benny is another of those once-in-a-lifetime players like Mookie so, to paraphrase UN, let's not f*** this up.

[moonslav59]

As tempting as it is to bring Benny up quickly, especially now with Holt down for an indeterminate time, I want that extra year of control to find out who he really is and minor league baseball doesn't always tell that. Sometimes it takes a few trips to Pawtucket and back, and even then sometimes we can't be sure.

 

We (and by "we" I mean some posters) tend to get tied up in the moment. They tend be impatient and want young players to be called up early. I can still remember when some posters wanted JBJ to be used as trade bait because "he can't hit".

 

I keep hearing that Benny is another of those once-in-a-lifetime players like Mookie so, to paraphrase UN, let's not f*** this up.

 

I tend to agree. However, if Sox management thinks he's ML ready, and we need his bat, I'm fine with losing a year of control to give us a better chance of making the playoffs AND having him on the roster for the playoffs.

 

I'd look for other options before calling him up and losing the year.

[Emp9]

I don't think we'd automatically lose a year of control if we brought him up necessarily.

[moonslav59]

I don't think we'd automatically lose a year of control if we brought him up necessarily.

 

If it makes no difference on years of control, I'm more inclined to say yes, bring him up when the Sox management thinks he's ready.

[Nick]

If it makes no difference on years of control, I'm more inclined to say yes, bring him up when the Sox management thinks he's ready.

 

I'm more inclined to have the core group for the future altogether sooner rather than later....I'd like to see Benintendi and Moncada for 2017 season to go with the killer B's. Swihart and Shaw can joint the group if they are good enough and not traded.

 

All we needed was for wimpsters Buchy and Kelly to be AVERAGE....it's on them......I will never forget the words by Clay.."I only gave up 3 earned runs" after being pulled for 6 runs.....

[Hugh2]

Years of control is close to irrelevant if a guy is ready. I have an insanely hard time seeing a guy who is 6 weeks removed from A ball being MLB ready.

[cp176]

I'm more inclined to have the core group for the future altogether sooner rather than later....I'd like to see Benintendi and Moncada for 2017 season to go with the killer B's. Swihart and Shaw can joint the group if they are good enough and not traded.

 

All we needed was for wimpsters Buchy and Kelly to be AVERAGE....it's on them......I will never forget the words by Clay.."I only gave up 3 earned runs" after being pulled for 6 runs.....

 

I don't see the need to rush Benintendi at all. If the Red Sox decide to move him up to the big club, before Sept. at the earliest, I would be pretty surprised. It also brings up the question of what about Moncada? Offensively, and from a physical perspective, he is as ready if not more so than Benintendi. Hard to imagine Benintedi in the immediate future plans and not Moncada. Sorry for questioning the logic of the organization, but Moncada at second base just doesn't make sense to me. If he was behind Benintendi well then maybe - but he isn't.

[Emp9]

I don't see the need to rush Benintendi at all. If the Red Sox decide to move him up to the big club, before Sept. at the earliest, I would be pretty surprised. It also brings up the question of what about Moncada? Offensively, and from a physical perspective, he is as ready if not more so than Benintendi. Hard to imagine Benintedi in the immediate future plans and not Moncada. Sorry for questioning the logic of the organization, but Moncada at second base just doesn't make sense to me. If he was behind Benintendi well then maybe - but he isn't.

 

If Moncada was an OFer like Benny, sure I'd probably agree with you on all that in principle. They're both doing extremely well, but our hole on the major league club is in LF and I'd rather go with the guy who's actually an OFer. Wouldn't you?

[moonslav59]

I'm more inclined to have the core group for the future altogether sooner rather than later....I'd like to see Benintendi and Moncada for 2017 season to go with the killer B's.

-Nick

 

I really want us to do everything to avoid trading Moncada and Benintendi. I also really like Espinoza, but with him being so far away from the bigs, and our poor record developing top starting pitchers, I'd be okay moving him for the right pitcher.

 

I'm also extremely high on Swihart as well, but we are going to have to give up something very good to get something very good. I've racked my brain trying to find the right team to match up in trade, but so far have not found a solid young starter under team control for 3.3+ more years on a team looking for the package I'd prefer to give up- something like Swihart, Devers, Travis, Kopech and Owens or Johnson. Let's assume we can do that. Here's how I see next year's roster shaping up:

 

SP1) Price

SP2) PLAYER from trade

SP3) Porcello

SP4) Wright

SP5) ERod/ FA pitcher

SP6) ERod/Kelly/Elias/O'Sullivan/Owens or Johnson

Closer) Kimbrel

RP2) C Smith

RP3) FA or trade

RP4) FA or trade

RP5) Hembree

RP6) Barnes

RP7) Ross/Layne/Workman/Ramirez/Light/Martin/ or others

 

C) Vazquez/Hanigan/Leon

1B) Ramirez (Shaw)

2B) Pedroia/Holt (Moncada)

3B) Shaw/Sandoval/Rutledge (Moncada)

SS) Bogaerts/Hernandez/Marrero

LF) Benintendi/Young (Moncada)

CF) Bradley (Betts)

RF) Betts (Young)

DH) Moncada (Sandoval/Ramirez)

 

I know missing Papi will be a huge loss, but this non-pitching roster looks very nice to me.

 

 

[cp176]

If Moncada was an OFer like Benny, sure I'd probably agree with you on all that in principle. They're both doing extremely well, but our hole on the major league club is in LF and I'd rather go with the guy who's actually an OFer. Wouldn't you?

 

I guess you must be assuming that I don't know that Benintendi is an outfielder and that Moncada is a second baseman. I do. You obviously missed my point. Moncada is every bit as ready to play at the same level as Benintendi. You obviously missed my point. You are all excited about moving up a prospect while at the same time you would leave quite possibly a better prospect in the minors stuck in a position that he won't be playing in Boston for quite some time. Point being - If you move a prospect like Benintendi up I would think that you might start searching for a way to get your best prospect on the right path soon.

[Nick]

You've knocked off about $40M in payroll before having to pay new acquisitions.

[bowman]

Teheran watch... 6 innings 5 earned runs. Still like to have him, but not for any of my top 4...

[Nick]

Stay away from Teheran....he's overvalued.....we just need someone that can give us 6 innings...3 runs...ERA 4.50

[mvp 78]

Stay away from Teheran....he's overvalued.....we just need someone that can give us 6 innings...3 runs...ERA 4.50

 

Clay Daniel Buchholz