2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[moonslav59]

FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron suggests that the Red Sox should trade for a hitter:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-red-sox-should-trade-for-another-hitter/

 

We already have 4 decent to good and/or promising catchers. It will cost too much to get Lucroy for just an immediate supposed upgrade on offense from the catcher position.

[mvp 78]

We already have 4 decent to good and/or promising catchers. It will cost too much to get Lucroy for just an immediate supposed upgrade on offense from the catcher position.

 

"Supposed upgrade on offense." Supposed?

[Nick]

MLBTR is suggesting Aaron Wilkerson might get the next chance to crack the rotation.He has allowed just 69 hits with 25 walks and 102 strikeouts. He’s allowed two earned runs or less in 12 of his 16 starts. In 10 of those 12, he’s allowed one run or less.

 

It's better to know NOW than wait......he's the last one standing to try out. What does it hurt?

[Nick]

Based on Shaw's struggle against left handers, do we need to platoon him? Is this why JF is looking for right handed utility infielder?

[Nick]

"Back in May, when looking for landing spots for Ryan Braun, I noted that perhaps there was room for the Red Sox to make a big trade with the Brewers, bringing in Milwaukee’s slugging left fielder, but also acquiring catcher Jonathan Lucroy in the deal as well. The idea of the team bringing in Braun looks less necessary now that Andrew Benintendi is crushing Double-A pitching and is looking big league ready; Steamer already projects him for a 109 wRC+ if called up right now, and so the team is probably better served just calling him up to be this year’s Michael Conforto rather than bringing in a veteran to block his path".............but everyone here thinks Sox should hold off on bringing up Benintendi......it's obvious infielders need a break, Holt can provide valuable depth there. Edited July 6, 2016 by Nick

[Hugh2]

"Back in May, when looking for landing spots for Ryan Braun, I noted that perhaps there was room for the Red Sox to make a big trade with the Brewers, bringing in Milwaukee’s slugging left fielder, but also acquiring catcher Jonathan Lucroy in the deal as well. The idea of the team bringing in Braun looks less necessary now that Andrew Benintendi is crushing Double-A pitching and is looking big league ready; Steamer already projects him for a 109 wRC+ if called up right now, and so the team is probably better served just calling him up to be this year’s Michael Conforto rather than bringing in a veteran to block his path".............but everyone here thinks Sox should hold off on bringing up Benintendi......it's obvious infielders need a break, Holt can provide valuable depth.

 

Oh he's big league ready because he's been hitting one level up from A ball for 1 month? He's still two levels below MLB. Remember when JBJ crushed AA for a couple months and everyone thought he was ready? turns out he needed a few more years.

 

I doubt AB still has that much developmental time left and I think he is a great offensive talent, one of the most talented prospects in the game but 1 month crushing AA ball doesn't mean he's MLB ready.

[mvp 78]

"Back in May, when looking for landing spots for Ryan Braun, I noted that perhaps there was room for the Red Sox to make a big trade with the Brewers, bringing in Milwaukee’s slugging left fielder, but also acquiring catcher Jonathan Lucroy in the deal as well. The idea of the team bringing in Braun looks less necessary now that Andrew Benintendi is crushing Double-A pitching and is looking big league ready; Steamer already projects him for a 109 wRC+ if called up right now, and so the team is probably better served just calling him up to be this year’s Michael Conforto rather than bringing in a veteran to block his path".............but everyone here thinks Sox should hold off on bringing up Benintendi......it's obvious infielders need a break, Holt can provide valuable depth.

 

Oh, some random writer on Fangraphs is the end all be all of talent evaluation now? That's precious. Benintendi took about a month to right the ship in AA. How long do you think it'll take him to adjust to the majors?

[Nick]

So your evaluation is superior to the random writer on Fangraphs?

[moonslav59]

"Supposed upgrade on offense." Supposed?

 

Well, the way Leon is hitting, I suppose Lucroy will do better going forward, but who knows?

 

Swihart is pretty darn good offensively when healthy too.

[Kimmi]

MLBTR is suggesting Aaron Wilkerson might get the next chance to crack the rotation.He has allowed just 69 hits with 25 walks and 102 strikeouts. He’s allowed two earned runs or less in 12 of his 16 starts. In 10 of those 12, he’s allowed one run or less.

 

Wilkerson deserves a shot. He could be our Daniel Nava of pitching.

 

There is not currently a spot for him on the 40 man roster.

[mvp 78]

So your evaluation is superior to the random writer on Fangraphs?

 

I would never infer such an outrageous position like that.

[moonslav59]

Based on Shaw's struggle against left handers, do we need to platoon him? Is this why JF is looking for right handed utility infielder?

 

Too bad Shaw, Holt and Hernandez all bat lefty. Marrero and Rutledge are our RHBs, but Josh is on the DL.

[mvp 78]

Wilkerson deserves a shot. He could be our Daniel Nava of pitching.

 

There is not currently a spot for him on the 40 man roster.

 

I'd make room for him. What's the worst that could happen? They lose Sean Coyle or Williams Jerez? Not sure why those two are even on the 40 man roster. Yuck.

[Nick]

Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.......

 

the gist of his article is that Sox will get more bang for bucks (improving the team) by acquiring the catcher from Milwaukee (and probably cheaper) than acquiring a pitcher most likely available at trade deadline. ......I kind of agree with that sentiment.

[moonslav59]

Wilkerson deserves a shot. He could be our Daniel Nava of pitching.

 

There is not currently a spot for him on the 40 man roster.

 

Hasn't Brentz finally proven he's DFA worthy?

 

I'm fine with a DFA or Coyle instead. I guess maybe Noe Ramirez is a choice as well.

[Kimmi]

FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron suggests that the Red Sox should trade for a hitter:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-red-sox-should-trade-for-another-hitter/

 

As I posted in another thread, I have warmed up to the idea of acquiring Lucroy. Cameron makes some excellent points, as did another writer whose name I don't remember. In short, what the other writer said was that we would have to acquire a pitcher of Kershaw's caliber in order to get as big an upgrade as Lucroy would provide.

 

I understand that we need pitching. But rather than trying to get an ace, it makes a lot of sense to get Lucroy and a mid rotation pitcher instead.

[Hugh2]

If all continues to go well with Andrew Benintendi I see him moving up to Pawtucket in August early. If they want to make the room they will put him on the 40 man and give him a cup of coffee in September.

 

Of course, I'm not the end all nor do I have a crystal ball but I'm fairly confident that that is more likely than he's called up to be the everyday LFer by August.

[Kimmi]

Well, the way Leon is hitting, I suppose Lucroy will do better going forward, but who knows?

 

Swihart is pretty darn good offensively when healthy too.

 

But Lucroy also has the defense.

[Kimmi]

I'd make room for him. What's the worst that could happen? They lose Sean Coyle or Williams Jerez? Not sure why those two are even on the 40 man roster. Yuck.

 

I would make room for him as well.

[Kimmi]

Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.......

 

the gist of his article is that Sox will get more bang for bucks (improving the team) by acquiring the catcher from Milwaukee (and probably cheaper) than acquiring a pitcher most likely available at trade deadline. ......I kind of agree with that sentiment.

 

Don't listen to MVP. Cameron is not just some random writer at Fangraphs. The dude knows his stuff, and he makes a very good argument in this article.

[Kimmi]

If all continues to go well with Andrew Benintendi I see him moving up to Pawtucket in August early. If they want to make the room they will put him on the 40 man and give him a cup of coffee in September.

 

Of course, I'm not the end all nor do I have a crystal ball but I'm fairly confident that that is more likely than he's called up to be the everyday LFer by August.

 

You may not be the end all, but when it comes to prospects, you know your stuff.

 

My guess is that whether and when Benintendi gets called up will depend on how the Sox are performing. The greater the 'sense of urgency', the sooner he gets called up.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Well, the way Leon is hitting, I suppose Lucroy will do better going forward, but who knows?

 

Swihart is pretty darn good offensively when healthy too.

 

But swihart is a LF'er now.

[mvp 78]

Don't listen to MVP.

 

Not nice.

[harmony]

Oh, some random writer on Fangraphs is the end all be all of talent evaluation now? That's precious. Benintendi took about a month to right the ship in AA. How long do you think it'll take him to adjust to the majors?

Serious baseball fans are familiar with Dave Cameron, managing editor of FanGraphs, which an analyst in the Washington Nationals' research and development department calls "the pinnacle of the online sabermetric community." Here is a link to a Washington Post article about FanGraphs:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/02/15/the-rise-of-fangraphs-stats-site-gives-fans-front-offices-view-to-baseballs-evolution/

[mvp 78]

Serious baseball fans are familiar with Dave Cameron, managing editor of FanGraphs, which an analyst in the Washington Nationals' research and development department calls "the pinnacle of the online sabermetric community." Here is a link to a Washington Post article about FanGraphs:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/02/15/the-rise-of-fangraphs-stats-site-gives-fans-front-offices-view-to-baseballs-evolution/

 

Well isn't that just a pleasant kick to the teeth?

[User Name]

Cameron is a great baseball writer and analytics expert, but he's A) Not a talent evaluator, B ) Doesn't have a more enlightened idea regarding Benintendi's ETA than any of us do, because projected timelines are just that: Projections. He's had just a couple AA at-bats. Pump the brakes on the Benintendi train.

[harmony]

Well isn't that just a pleasant kick to the teeth?

I suspect Dave Cameron would welcome a casual fan to his FanGraphs chat today:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dave-cameron-fangraphs-chat-7616/

 

Every July in recent years FanGraphs has posted Cameron's widely cited annual trade value list. Here is last year's list:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-trade-value-the-full-list/

[moonslav59]

Wilkerson deserves a shot. He could be our Daniel Nava of pitching.

 

There is not currently a spot for him on the 40 man roster.

 

Hasn't Brentz finally proven he's DFA worthy?

 

I'm fine with a DFA or Coyle instead. I guess maybe Noe Ramirez is a choice as well.

[Spudboy]

Not nice.

 

 

No, It wasn't.

[Kimmi]

Not nice.

 

I should not have posted that statement. There was no ill intent, but regardless, I apologize.

 

Everyone should read your posts then form their own opinion because, although I often disagree with your posts, they usually offer valuable insight