A Realistic View at 2016

[Emp9]

The fact is they blew 2 9th inning leads. If they had won those 2 games they would have led the series 3-2. So it was really a very close series that turned on a couple of innings. That's baseball for ya.

 

Right, but their defense sure didn't do their Closer any favors.

[Spudboy]

Message boards are inherently Darwinian. The strong threads survive on their own while the weaker ones drift away into the abyss. I wouldn't ruin a strong thread by forcing other weaker threads into it and confusing the s*** out of ppl, but the Mods can do what they want. That's fine. I just don't HAVE to agree with it.

 

No but you and all the other new members should at least try to comply with the wishes of the two people who run this board.

 

Everyone who has been a member here for a while likes this place and how it is run.

 

Your dissension is conspicuous.

[Emp9]

No but you and all the other new members should at least try to comply with the wishes of the two people who run this board.

 

 

Everyone who has been a member here for a while likes this place and how it is run.

 

 

Your dissension is conspicuous.

 

 

 

No but you and all the other new members should at least try to comply with the wishes of the two people who run this board.

 

I'm not responsible for anyone besides myself.

 

Everyone who has been a member here for a while likes this place and how it is run.

 

Fantastic.

 

Your dissension is conspicuous.

 

Good.

 

[Hugh2]

No but you and all the other new members should at least try to comply with the wishes of the two people who run this board.

 

I'm not responsible for anyone besides myself.

 

Everyone who has been a member here for a while likes this place and how it is run.

 

Fantastic.

 

Your dissension is conspicuous.

 

Good.

 

 

Emp, I'd say to give their way a chance. I've been posting on another forum besides this one long before the BDC forums shut down who have followed a similar model. I would say from my experience that the conversation tends to be much better that way. I happen to think redundancy was a big problem over at BDC too so what do I know but in the end they are going to run their forums the way they want them run. We chose to be here, so I think it's more likely we disseminate into their "culture" rather than the opposite.

[SoxnCycles]

A little slack from both "sides" would be beneficial, IMO.

 

There been a little too much "what can I get away with" from the new member and a little too much "get off my lawn" from the regulars.

[Slasher9]

A little slack from both "sides" would be beneficial, IMO.

 

There been a little too much "what can I get away with" from the new member and a little too much "get off my lawn" from the regulars.

 

good post SnC. human nature rears its ugly head.

[SoxnCycles]

good post SnC. human nature rears its ugly head.

 

Thanks slasher.

 

Yup, humans are a stubborn bunch.

 

"Change!? Oh, hell no!!"

[Emp9]

No but you and all the other new members should at least try to comply with the wishes of the two people who run this board.

 

I'm not responsible for anyone besides myself.

 

Everyone who has been a member here for a while likes this place and how it is run.

 

Fantastic.

 

Your dissension is conspicuous.

 

Good.

 

 

Emp, I'd say to give their way a chance. I've been posting on another forum besides this one long before the BDC forums shut down who have followed a similar model. I would say from my experience that the conversation tends to be much better that way. I happen to think redundancy was a big problem over at BDC too so what do I know but in the end they are going to run their forums the way they want them run. We chose to be here, so I think it's more likely we disseminate into their "culture" rather than the opposite.

 

My only complaint was that it was confusing. One complaint ain't bad in the full spectrum of things. I'll take your advice, even though I am trying.

[Slasher9]

Hey Emp. the biggest difference here is that they try and keep the new threads to a minimum. it can be a bit confusing trying to figure out where to put a thought/observation/comment. at least 2 of the recently posted threads has gone on "pedroia" tangents.

i guess my advice would be if you are thinking of starting a new thread just take a quick look at the first couple pages of the forum to see if it can fit into any of the existing threads.

unfortunately we are all being lumped in together as the "BDC posters" so although you only had one complaint you got lumped in with everyone else. i felt the same way about inferences to starting new threads but in all the time here i have only started a grand total of 5 and 3 of them were game day threads. so really only 2 threads.

[User Name]

A little slack from both "sides" would be beneficial, IMO.

 

There been a little too much "what can I get away with" from the new member and a little too much "get off my lawn" from the regulars.

 

It's not about "get off my lawn". It's about "one overworked mod" more than anything else. A surefire way to help smooth things out is to find YOTN some help.

[mvp 78]

It's not about "get off my lawn". It's about "one overworked mod" more than anything else. A surefire way to help smooth things out is to find YOTN some help.

 

Yup. Be thankful that the vengeful YZ hasn't come to clean house.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I have already been speaking to YZ for a week or so about adding another Mod, it's just going slowly because he is not online as often as I am. It will probably happen soon. though.

[User Name]

I nominate MVP and Jbay. Long-tenured members who are well liked and generally avoid scuffles.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I have a few people in mind, I'd rather not publicly announce the "candidates", to avoid any sort of public debate over who deserves it. Who knows? If we had made it a voted position, I might never have become a mod, and all of your lives would have been poorer for it.

[mvp 78]

I nominate MVP and Jbay. Long-tenured members who are well liked and generally avoid scuffles.

 

VA gets my vote.

[Dojji]

The fact is they blew 2 9th inning leads. If they had won those 2 games they would have led the series 3-2. So it was really a very close series that turned on a couple of innings. That's baseball for ya.

 

Yes, but the fact of the matter is that the Royals were built specifically to exploit a team like the Mets in exactly the way they exploited the Mets. Make contact, get on base, and run, push weak defenses into making mistakes. It just so happened that the Mets avoided making fatal mistakes until late innings in 2 of those games.

Edited June 2, 2016 by Dojji

[SoxnCycles]

It's not about "get off my lawn". It's about "one overworked mod" more than anything else. A surefire way to help smooth things out is to find YOTN some help.

 

If you say so.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but the fact of the matter is that the Royals were built specifically to exploit a team like the Mets in exactly the way they exploited the Mets. Make contact, get on base, and run, push weak defenses into making mistakes. It just so happened that the Mets avoided making fatal mistakes until late innings in 2 of those games.

 

I don't think it was defensive miscues that resulted in the 9th inning runs by the Royals. The tying run in Game 1 was a home run. Anyway it's all just an academic debate.

[User Name]

If you say so.

 

That's the spirit.

[Nick]

At some point, there has to be a serious discussion about convincing Papi to return for at least one more year. It's much cheaper option for Sox to pay say one year at $25M than to pursue some overpriced 1B/DH type that requires multiple years. That will also give us time to let Sam Travis show us if he can return and be a big league player.

 

Theoretically we will have Koji's $9M come off the books. Payroll for our younger talent is still manageable with early arbitration years coming up. Don't forget Clay B's $13M. I would target Hill as our #5 and give him $7M plus innings pitched laced bonuses. Say $1M for every 25 innings pitched over 100 innings. Someone here probably has better grasp on performance bonus.

 

We sure have plenty of dead money on our roster.......$40M tied up on two guys, one is out for the year and other is a singles hitter making $20M and he's projected to be our DH.

Edited June 2, 2016 by Nick

[Spudboy]

The problem is that Ortiz is having increasing difficulty running. His ankles, Achilles, and feet are shot. He wants out and I don't blame him. That s*** hurts. Especially when you can not escape the perpetual pain.

 

Nope. It's his choice to go and I support his choice.

[Hugh2]

I disagree, I say let Ortiz retire on top. Regression is not always linear....players like Papi aren't always going to give you exactly 1-.5 less WAR per year, rather he's just going to fall off a cliff one year. It could have been this year, maybe it would be next, or maybe it would be in 3 years but at 40 years old it would be coming sooner rather than later.

 

I hate seeing players get pushed out of the game because they stink, and I think the offense will survive without him. Invest in pitching and let Ortiz ride into the sunset on top of his game. He deserves that.

[moonslav59]

At some point, there has to be a serious discussion about convincing Papi to return for at least one more year. It's much cheaper option for Sox to pay say one year at $25M than to pursue some overpriced 1B/DH type that requires multiple years. That will also give us time to let Sam Travis show us if he can return and be a big league player.

 

Theoretically we will have Koji's $9M come off the books. Payroll for our younger talent is still manageable with early arbitration years coming up. Don't forget Clay B's $13M. I would target Hill as our #5 and give him $7M plus innings pitched laced bonuses. Say $1M for every 25 innings pitched over 100 innings. Someone here probably has better grasp on performance bonus.

 

We sure have plenty of dead money on our roster.......$40M tied up on two guys, one is out for the year and other is a singles hitter making $20M and he's projected to be our DH.

 

We don't have as much spending money as it looks. We are way over the luxury limit now, and even though the limit is expected to go up significantly next year, we still have to replace Koji, Taz and Papi. If we go over the limit again, the tax rate goes way up.

[moonslav59]

I disagree, I say let Ortiz retire on top. Regression is not always linear....players like Papi aren't always going to give you exactly 1-.5 less WAR per year, rather he's just going to fall off a cliff one year. It could have been this year, maybe it would be next, or maybe it would be in 3 years but at 40 years old it would be coming sooner rather than later.

 

I hate seeing players get pushed out of the game because they stink, and I think the offense will survive without him. Invest in pitching and let Ortiz ride into the sunset on top of his game. He deserves that.

 

I'd certainly try to lure Papi back for one more. Even if he declines by 33%, he'd still be going out on top.

[Bellhorn04]

So that's 3 times in 6 games the Sox have scored 7 or more runs and lost. This team is built way too much like the Sox teams of olden times, trying to outslug their opponents.

[southpaw777]

At some point, there has to be a serious discussion about convincing Papi to return for at least one more year. It's much cheaper option for Sox to pay say one year at $25M than to pursue some overpriced 1B/DH type that requires multiple years. That will also give us time to let Sam Travis show us if he can return and be a big league player.

 

Theoretically we will have Koji's $9M come off the books. Payroll for our younger talent is still manageable with early arbitration years coming up. Don't forget Clay B's $13M. I would target Hill as our #5 and give him $7M plus innings pitched laced bonuses. Say $1M for every 25 innings pitched over 100 innings. Someone here probably has better grasp on performance bonus.

 

We sure have plenty of dead money on our roster.......$40M tied up on two guys, one is out for the year and other is a singles hitter making $20M and he's projected to be our DH.

 

His feet/ankles are a BIG problem. He has said that he experiences a good amount of pain and has already had to take days off because of it. He will be 41 and the grind has gotten to be too much. I imagine hes just emptying the tank this year.

Id love for him to come back for one more..who wouldnt in Boston?

I just think his body is having a hard time keeping up these days...

[southpaw777]

So that's 3 times in 6 games the Sox have scored 7 or more runs and lost. This team is built way too much like the Sox teams of olden times, trying to outslug their opponents.

 

Slugging wont work come playoff time...pitching, pitching, pitching

[S5Dewey]

His feet/ankles are a BIG problem. He has said that he experiences a good amount of pain and has already had to take days off because of it. He will be 41 and the grind has gotten to be too much. I imagine hes just emptying the tank this year.

Id love for him to come back for one more..who wouldnt in Boston?

I just think his body is having a hard time keeping up these days...

 

I fully support his retirement after this year. He doesn't owe us anything. He's given us a couple of WS victories and memories to last forever. I say let him retire after this outstanding season with his legacy intact. I've seen too many players retire and then it's said about them, "Yeah, he was a great player in his day, but those last couple of years..." ...and their voice trails off. Papi deserves to go out on top of his game.

[Spudboy]

Slugging wont work come playoff time...pitching, pitching, pitching

 

Yur darn tootin'!!!!

[mvp 78]

All I asked for was competitive baseball in September. It looks like we should be getting some, so I can't complain too much!