Pablo Sandoval

[S5Dewey]

There was a recent article, I think on ESPN, where a SF Giants source (I think)was cited as saying that Sandoval didn't want to sign with the Giants because he knew he would be on a dietary restriction for five years if he did. Sandoval was quoted as saying that he didn't want to be in a place where he "couldn't be himself". I guess we all know what that means: eat til you can't even walk onto the field. Sandoval's lack of professionalism never ceases to amaze me.

 

This may turn around and bite the MLBPA on the ass. Sandoval's contract is great ammunition for the owners wanting to get rid of all the guaranteed contracts.

[Kimmi]

Jason Mastrodonato ‏@JMastrodonato 22m22 minutes ago

 

Pablo Sandoval has dropped 15 pounds and is "working hard" in Fort Myers, according to John Farrell.

 

Go Pablo. Your only remaining fan is still rooting for you!

[Spudboy]

Jason Mastrodonato ‏@JMastrodonato 22m22 minutes ago

 

Pablo Sandoval has dropped 15 pounds and is "working hard" in Fort Myers, according to John Farrell.

 

Go Pablo. Your only remaining fan is still rooting for you!

 

15 pounds is nothing when you are 45 pounds overweight.

 

He needs to shed more.

[notin]

15 pounds is nothing when you are 45 pounds overweight.

 

He needs to shed more.

 

By "dropped 15 pounds", they mean he spilled his plate of lasagna.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I am not above these type of jokes...

[Kimmi]

15 pounds is nothing when you are 45 pounds overweight.

 

He needs to shed more.

 

I realize that. I know he has a long way to go before he has proven himself or redeemed himself in the eyes of the fans. I am hoping that he has enough pride that the embarrassment of losing his job this season will motivate him enough to get himself together.

 

I know most people want him gone, but I'm pulling for him.

[notin]

I prefer he go, but then I never wanted him in Boston.

[Nick]

I realize that. I know he has a long way to go before he has proven himself or redeemed himself in the eyes of the fans. I am hoping that he has enough pride that the embarrassment of losing his job this season will motivate him enough to get himself together.

 

I know most people want him gone, but I'm pulling for him.

 

So he took a one healthy dump to start the week.....and we're supposed to get excited? Look honey, babby Pablo did a nice poo poo.

[Spudboy]

I realize that. I know he has a long way to go before he has proven himself or redeemed himself in the eyes of the fans. I am hoping that he has enough pride that the embarrassment of losing his job this season will motivate him enough to get himself together.

 

I know most people want him gone, but I'm pulling for him.

 

I agree that the best case is if he does lose a s***-ton and resumes being competent.

 

Otherwise the Sox are stuck with the lazy f***.

[Spudboy]

I prefer he go, but then I never wanted him in Boston.

 

Ditto.

 

But how do they get rid of the slob?

[Spudboy]

So he took a one healthy dump to start the week.....and we're supposed to get excited? Look honey, babby Pablo did a nice poo poo.

 

Kimmi does not like references to excretory functions.

 

I think it's funny.

[Station 13]

15 pounds is nothing when you are 45 pounds overweight.

 

He needs to shed more.

 

 

45? more like 100LB+ for that body.

[notin]

Ditto.

 

But how do they get rid of the slob?

 

DFA or DL. Anything he can be traded for, Sox fans shouldn't want...

[Kimmi]

I prefer he go, but then I never wanted him in Boston.

 

I never liked his contract to begin with, and thought there were better options. That said, I can understand why the FO signed him, and contrary to popular belief, it wasn't because of his postseason numbers. At least not from Ben's point of view.

 

But since he is here and under contract for 3 more years, it is in the team's best interest if he can rebound to 2014 numbers.

[Bellhorn04]

I never liked his contract to begin with, and thought there were better options. That said, I can understand why the FO signed him, and contrary to popular belief, it wasn't because of his postseason numbers. At least not from Ben's point of view.

 

But since he is here and under contract for 3 more years, it is in the team's best interest if he can rebound to 2014 numbers.

 

I agree with you, I'm just not sure how they can fit him into their 2017 plans. Seems like they're grooming Moncada for third base. Plus we have Shaw. The only spot for Pablo would seem to be DH, and his bat may not be good enough for that.

[a700hitter]

But since he is here and under contract for 3 more years, it is in the team's best interest if he can rebound to 2014 numbers.

The only bounce that he will get will be if he trips and falls.

[Spudboy]

The only bounce that he will get will be if he trips and falls.

 

There would be seismic readings at The Weston Observatory.

[Station 13]

The only bounce that he will get will be if he trips and falls.

 

he's not that elastic.

[Kimmi]

I agree with you, I'm just not sure how they can fit him into their 2017 plans. Seems like they're grooming Moncada for third base. Plus we have Shaw. The only spot for Pablo would seem to be DH, and his bat may not be good enough for that.

 

I don't know how he fits either. Perhaps he gets traded. I just know that if he doesn't rebound, he's a sunk cost. If he can rebound, he provides some depth and flexibility.

[a700hitter]

I don't know how he fits either. Perhaps he gets traded. I just know that if he doesn't rebound, he's a sunk cost. If he can rebound, he provides some depth and flexibility.

imo, he's a sunk cost. Barring injury to Shaw, I don't see there being any room for Pablo on the roster. I don't know how his tenure will end, but I don't see the possibility of a successful return to the Red Sox roster. He was never a premier 3B defensively or offensively, so I don't see him winning his job back. He is just not that good. His ceiling for a rebound is not that high under the best of circumstances, and I don't see it as being enough to unseat the incumbent.

[Maxbialystock]

He is not worth a thread of his own other than to say he is probably the single best reason for Cherington losing his job. I looked at his numbers hoping to find something redeeming, but could not. The most appalling number is his salary, more than double the highest he was ever paid by the Giants, who got his best years.

[notin]

I never liked his contract to begin with, and thought there were better options. That said, I can understand why the FO signed him, and contrary to popular belief, it wasn't because of his postseason numbers. At least not from Ben's point of view.

 

But since he is here and under contract for 3 more years, it is in the team's best interest if he can rebound to 2014 numbers.

 

While I agree the Sox would like him to bounce back, the emergence of tbe younger players like Shaw and the Killer B's has lessened the Sox financial needs to the point where he is no longer needed.

 

Also "Shaw and the Killer B [ee's]" is a great name for a rock band.

[Behindenemylines]

I don't know how he fits either. Perhaps he gets traded. I just know that if he doesn't rebound, he's a sunk cost. If he can rebound, he provides some depth and flexibility.

 

If he is traded it will be for some teams bad contract. Or the Sox would have to eat a lot of the contract. The Sox have a lot of younger players who make very little making the second option a possibility. Don't see room now that the Sox have Moncada playing 3B.

[Jasonbay44]

Ditto.

 

But how do they get rid of the slob?

 

If I'm Dombrowski I'd try and convince the owners to let me just release him, it wasn't his signing and sometimes you need to cut your losses. I don't see where he fits in at all with Shaw, Hanley, Moncada and a potential signing of someone like Encarnacion next year. He's out of shape, overpaid, and his play has been horrible.

 

I would say trade him, but who in the hell would actually WANT him?

[Behindenemylines]

If I'm Dombrowski I'd try and convince the owners to let me just release him, it wasn't his signing and sometimes you need to cut your losses. I don't see where he fits in at all with Shaw, Hanley, Moncada and a potential signing of someone like Encarnacion next year. He's out of shape, overpaid, and his play has been horrible.

 

I would say trade him, but who in the hell would actually WANT him?

 

You could probably trade him, but would have to eat a lot of his contract and get next to nothing for him. I think it is the Sox only option. Can't see him at 3B or DH on the 2017 Sox.

[a700hitter]

Ditto.

 

But how do they get rid of the slob?

A trail of bread crumbs and jerk chicken wings leading to a bluff?

[moonslav59]

15 pounds is nothing when you are 45 pounds overweight.

 

He needs to shed more.

 

Well, 15 pounds is about the right pace to be at -45 by opening day next year.

 

15 pounds is significant even by itself. If ends up down 25-35 by opening day, it could make a big difference in his ability to win a spot on the team. I never wanted us to sign Pablo in the first place, but we have him now, and he's owed a boatload of money. I'd rather not piss it all away before knowing for sure if there is any redemption.

 

I'm not buying the argument that with Moncada, we don't need any help at 3B/1B/DH. Sure, Shaw and HanRam have looked okay this year and very good in stretches, but neither is a sure bet to be a plus next year and both show strong numerical signs pointing to platoon status.

 

2016 splits:

Player vs RHP/ vs LHPs

Ortiz 1.090/ .813

Shaw .806/ .634

HRam .696/ 1.091

Young .734/ 1.042

 

2016 vs RHPs/vs LHPs

Ortiz 1.044/ .744

Shaw .778/ .793

HRam .708/ .888

Young .635/ .988 (4th best in MLB)

Pablo .733/ .465

Swihart .727/ .673

 

(It's clear we have to find someone to help mitigate the loss of Papi's offense vs RHPs. While Pablo is no where near a replacement for papi, he may be better vs RHPs than some of our other options- namely HanRam and Young.

 

Papi is retiring, yes. Adding Beni and Moncada does cause a squeeze on our bench, but it's also not a certainty that Moncada will start the year on the big club, and there's still a chance Beni could struggle enough to need some time at AAA to re-adjust (doubtful, but possible). Exceptional play by Beni in LF would could essentially cause the need to play Young at DH vs LHPs. This would further squeeze the 3b/1B/DH openings. We can safely count Travis out of the picture untila t least mid season 2017, if then. I doubt Swihart has a chance to squeeze anybody out of a 25 man roster spot until May or june of 2017 at the earliest, so we are left with this:

 

LF: Beni, Young (Swihart/Holt)

3B: Shaw, Moncada, Pablo (Hernandez/Holt)

1B: HanRam, Shaw (Pablo/Holt/Travis/Swihart?)

DH: Young/Pablo/Hanram (Moncada/Swihart)

 

We may start with Shaw at 3B, HanRam at 1B and maybe Pablo at DH vs RHPs and Young vs LHPs. If Pablo can field well, like he used to do, we could see Pablo at 3B vs RHPs/Shaw vs LHPs. We could see Shaw at 1B vs RHPs and HanRam vs LHPs and Hanram at DH vs RHPs with Young there vs lefties. Wec ould see hanRam sit vs some or many RHPs, or Shaw sit vs some or many LHPs, which could allow Moncada to squeeze into the picture or Pablo to play vs LHPs (doubtful).

 

Let's say Moncada wins a FT role, maybe we could see this:

 

POS vs RHP/vs LHP

3B: Moncada

1B: Shaw/Ram

DH: Pablo/Young

Maybe Moncada plays some DH, if he struggles in the field. Moncada also has hit RHPs 200-300 OPS points better than lefties, so maybe he plays vs righties, and Shaw plays 3B vs LHPs, so Hanram can play FT at 1B.

 

There's lots of scenarios, but I wouldn't count Pablo out of a role vs RHPs next year, especially if it takes Moncada a while to master the 3B position.

 

 

 

 

[Nick]

Well, 15 pounds is about the right pace to be at -45 by opening day next year.

 

15 pounds is significant even by itself. If ends up down 25-35 by opening day, it could make a big difference in his ability to win a spot on the team. I never wanted us to sign Pablo in the first place, but we have him now, and he's owed a boatload of money. I'd rather not piss it all away before knowing for sure if there is any redemption.

 

I'm not buying the argument that with Moncada, we don't need any help at 3B/1B/DH. Sure, Shaw and HanRam have looked okay this year and very good in stretches, but neither is a sure bet to be a plus next year and both show strong numerical signs pointing to platoon status.

 

2016 splits:

Player vs RHP/ vs LHPs

Ortiz 1.090/ .813

Shaw .806/ .634

HRam .696/ 1.091

Young .734/ 1.042

 

2016 vs RHPs/vs LHPs

Ortiz 1.044/ .744

Shaw .778/ .793

HRam .708/ .888

Young .635/ .988 (4th best in MLB)

Pablo .733/ .465

Swihart .727/ .673

 

(It's clear we have to find someone to help mitigate the loss of Papi's offense vs RHPs. While Pablo is no where near a replacement for papi, he may be better vs RHPs than some of our other options- namely HanRam and Young.

 

Papi is retiring, yes. Adding Beni and Moncada does cause a squeeze on our bench, but it's also not a certainty that Moncada will start the year on the big club, and there's still a chance Beni could struggle enough to need some time at AAA to re-adjust (doubtful, but possible). Exceptional play by Beni in LF would could essentially cause the need to play Young at DH vs LHPs. This would further squeeze the 3b/1B/DH openings. We can safely count Travis out of the picture untila t least mid season 2017, if then. I doubt Swihart has a chance to squeeze anybody out of a 25 man roster spot until May or june of 2017 at the earliest, so we are left with this:

 

LF: Beni, Young (Swihart/Holt)

3B: Shaw, Moncada, Pablo (Hernandez/Holt)

1B: HanRam, Shaw (Pablo/Holt/Travis/Swihart?)

DH: Young/Pablo/Hanram (Moncada/Swihart)

 

We may start with Shaw at 3B, HanRam at 1B and maybe Pablo at DH vs RHPs and Young vs LHPs. If Pablo can field well, like he used to do, we could see Pablo at 3B vs RHPs/Shaw vs LHPs. We could see Shaw at 1B vs RHPs and HanRam vs LHPs and Hanram at DH vs RHPs with Young there vs lefties. Wec ould see hanRam sit vs some or many RHPs, or Shaw sit vs some or many LHPs, which could allow Moncada to squeeze into the picture or Pablo to play vs LHPs (doubtful).

 

Let's say Moncada wins a FT role, maybe we could see this:

 

POS vs RHP/vs LHP

3B: Moncada

1B: Shaw/Ram

DH: Pablo/Young

Maybe Moncada plays some DH, if he struggles in the field. Moncada also has hit RHPs 200-300 OPS points better than lefties, so maybe he plays vs righties, and Shaw plays 3B vs LHPs, so Hanram can play FT at 1B.

 

There's lots of scenarios, but I wouldn't count Pablo out of a role vs RHPs next year, especially if it takes Moncada a while to master the 3B position.

 

 

 

 

 

I like any scenario that has Benintendi playing full time....thus our OF is PLUGGED for years to come. Young is signed for another year.....why take away opportunity for Benintendi? He's not show any lefty/right splits.

[Nick]

Keep it simple. Solve the problem. LF will no longer be a problem.

 

Make Moncada at 3B situation work. We invested $60M on this kid. He's not shown that he's going to fail.

 

Maybe save money on not signing Encarnacion and use it to bolster pitching staff.

[moonslav59]

Keep it simple. Solve the problem. LF will no longer be a problem.

 

Make Moncada at 3B situation work. We invested $60M on this kid. He's not shown that he's going to fail.

 

Maybe save money on not signing Encarnacion and use it to bolster pitching staff.

 

I have great confidence Beni will be our FT LF'er going forward. He'll have some tough times here and there as all players do, but he will stick.

 

I also have great confidence in Moncada becoming a FT'er very quickly. The time table on his defense at 3B and his bat vs LHPs might be lagging from the rest of his total body of work, but I like his chances. The time table is up for debate and speculation, but in my opinion his bat vs RHPs and his base running skills are MLB ready right now. We'll probably see him in September for those two roles.

 

I don't want Moncada to make the 2017 opening day roster as a platoon player, if he continues struggling vs LHPs or as a DH if he is slow to competency on defense at 3B, but depending on how others are doing and off season acquisitions, he may have to begin as one and/or the other. It's not ideal for his development, but keeping top talent on the farm, when they are MLB ready in some areas may not be a luxury we can afford next April. Maybe Moncada plays winter ball as a 3Bman exclusively. That may help, but I also don't want to burn the kid out.

 

In no way have I ever been a Pablo fan, but I'm just saying we shouldn't count him out, even without any injuries or setbacks to Beni or Moncada. It may take more than a strong spring from Pablo to get his trade value to a marketable point.

 

[Nick]

POS vs RHP/vs LHP

3B: Moncada

1B: Shaw/Ram

DH: Pablo/Young

 

Moon I'm good with this....

 

Spend money on pitching staff....Can we entice Ziegler to leave his Arizona home and family to come pitch for Boston?

 

(And we are at this point because we gave Benintendi a look instead of sending him off to AAA. Moncada in the next player we need to have a look at. they are clearly cut above. Can't treat every player the same.)

Edited August 14, 2016 by Nick