JBJ: Part of the 2016 Sox plan or do you trade him to rebuild the pitching?

[Behindenemylines]

JBJ's offensive out put the last few weeks raises the question: part of 2016 plans or a trade chip to rebuild the pitching.

[Jasonbay44]

Its such a small sample size that its hard to tell if he is on a hot streak or he has finally figured it out. However I am definitely for keeping JBJ, unless him being involved in a trade can land us a young cost controlled pitcher, who is actually good, and not another pointless acquisition like a Miley, Porcello or whichever new piece of s*** Cherrington has his eyes on.

 

Based on how small the sample size is right now and how bad Bradley has been overall in his short major league career at the plate, I really doubt the Sox can get back anything that would make a trade worth it at this point, which is why I say keep him. He is already a gold glove caliber outfielder, he just needs to be a .250 hitter with a .320 OBP or so and he would be a legitimate MLB starter, that is how good his defense is.

 

What the Sox SHOULD be doing is letting him play every day to see if this is fluke hot streak, or if he has finally somewhat figured out how to hit at the major league level, but for whatever reason, that isn't happening.

[Northern Star]

My main priority with the OF next year is Hanley isn't in it. I make that happen first, then I decide if I'm rolling out Betts, JBJ, Castillo or trading JBJ for pitching. JBJ needs to give rival scouts a much longer look out there before we can expect a nice haul in return.

 

I am on record here in the offseason saying Hanley in LF was a mistake and I have been proven right. It's one of the worst personnel decisions I've seen from a major league club in a long while. It's a big part of the reason I am not impressed with Ben's roster management the last couple of seasons. I'd love to know for sure what pressure he was under to make certain signings, though. How meddlesome was the ownership group? If they stuck their oar in and demanded Pablo. well are you happy now? I'm sure his jersey is just flying off the shelves.

[mvp 78]

JBJ should be the everyday RF in 2016.

[reYoukilis]

Keep him. I've said this a few times but I'll say it again, I want this highly defensive team they've been trying to get together. It was supposed to go WITH good pitching though not instead of.

 

I realize keeping him doesn't give us good pitching but I don't care, stick with a damn game plan.

[a700hitter]

JBJ should be the everyday RF in 2016.

 

If he keeps hitting, I could see that as very probable.

[SoxHop]

As of right now..... he still can't hit MLB pitching, and has to really prove he can...........

[a700hitter]

As of right now..... he still can't hit MLB pitching, and has to really prove he can...........

 

He just had his best week in the majors.

[SoxHop]

He just had his best week in the majors.

 

Oh..... I guess he can hit MLB pitching after sucking for a year and a half, but hitting well the last week and a half....

[mvp 78]

"He has 10 extra-base hits in his last seven games, three more than any big leaguer in that span (since Aug. 9). Since that date, he leads the majors in total bases (32), slugging (1.143) and OPS (1.705). Last season, Bradley had 10 extra-base hits in a span of 53 games from May 1 to July 25. In his last 49 games after that date, he had 3 extra-base hits, all doubles."

[SoxHop]

"He has 10 extra-base hits in his last seven games, three more than any big leaguer in that span (since Aug. 9). Since that date, he leads the majors in total bases (32), slugging (1.143) and OPS (1.705). Last season, Bradley had 10 extra-base hits in a span of 53 games from May 1 to July 25. In his last 49 games after that date, he had 3 extra-base hits, all doubles."

 

Oh..... so you are saying he can hit MLB pitching?????

[a700hitter]

Oh..... I guess he can hit MLB pitching after sucking for a year and a half, but hitting well the last week and a half....

 

No, I am not making that leap yet. I think he needs to play the last six weeks to see if this was just a good week. I am hoping that he can demonstrate some proficiency with the bat. He was hitting very well at AAA, but he has to prove himself at this level. He can get almost 200 ABs before the season is done. He might be able to resurrect his career. Yes, it is wishful thinking on my part, but he has looked much different this week than at any point last season.

[iortiz]

As I said once, I always liked JBJ, I'm not ready to see him gone. I think that the talent is there.

[Behindenemylines]

If JBJ finishes the season looking like he has finally found it, I can't see moving him. He doesn't have to be the hitter he was last week to be a piece to improving the Sox pitching. The amount of runs he saves with the glove would make up for him hitting in the .250 area. I would only move him if he is part of a trade to bring in a true top of the rotation starter.

[dupree]

Move him. Final Answer.

[Kimmi]

I'm a huge JBJ fan. I would hate to see him traded. That said, every move has to be made with the overall picture in mind, not just what the best OF alignment would be. So the question is, would the team be better off with JBJ, Betts, and Castillo in the OF, or with Hanley, Betts, and Castillo in the OF along with a young, cost-controlled pitcher in the rotation?

 

As much as I love him in the OF, if he can be part of a deal to bring us a Sonny Gray type, then trading him makes sense.

[sk7326]

The team is overloaded with CF talent ... Bradley, Castillo, Margot, Benintendi (although he'd be a PTBNL), Betts. No doubt somebody might be attached to an albatross contract or bait to improve the ML roster. (obviously I am not including Betts as trade bait, just as part of the CF inventory).

[NativeBostonian]

I say trade him, so I don't have to hear he's the next Willie Mays every time he get a hit every 100 at bats. One good week at the plate, doesn't cancel out one and a half years of looking like an idiot. Edited August 20, 2015 by NativeBostonian

[Spitball]

I'm a huge JBJ fan. I would hate to see him traded. That said, every move has to be made with the overall picture in mind, not just what the best OF alignment would be. So the question is, would the team be better off with JBJ, Betts, and Castillo in the OF, or with Hanley, Betts, and Castillo in the OF along with a young, cost-controlled pitcher in the rotation?

 

As much as I love him in the OF, if he can be part of a deal to bring us a Sonny Gray type, then trading him makes sense.

 

Kimmi, I agree, but I love watching gifted defensive players. Brooks Robinson, Ozzie Smith, Fred Lynn...Jackie Bradley, Jr. The very truly gifted are not really that common. JBJ is gifted. I hope he can provide enough offense to have a long career in Boston providing us with exciting web gems.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dombrowski will move some guys. Castillo looks like he can play and Betts is your prototypical 5 tool athlete. Having JBJ around and hitting adds to a stockpile. That being said, I think Dave tells Hanley to go f*** himself and move back to the infield. I also think he'll unload Panda by eating half his contract

[dupree]

Dombrowski will move some guys. Castillo looks like he can play and Betts is your prototypical 5 tool athlete. Having JBJ around and hitting adds to a stockpile. That being said, I think Dave tells Hanley to go f*** himself and move back to the infield. I also think he'll unload Panda by eating half his contract

I agree Jacko. I wish he could just move one bad contract for another bad contract and trade Panda to San Diego and get Shields. And sign either Cueto, Price, or Zimmerman and then you keep all the prospects and it's a win win. No Panda the team gets a pitcher and they save on airplane gas and fuel for the buses ridding themselves of Pandas fat ass.

[User Name]

I've actually thought about that scenario, and bringing Shields in (as long as it's not with the expectation that he'll be what he was a couple years ago) makes sense.

[Behindenemylines]

I'm a huge JBJ fan. I would hate to see him traded. That said, every move has to be made with the overall picture in mind, not just what the best OF alignment would be. So the question is, would the team be better off with JBJ, Betts, and Castillo in the OF, or with Hanley, Betts, and Castillo in the OF along with a young, cost-controlled pitcher in the rotation?

 

As much as I love him in the OF, if he can be part of a deal to bring us a Sonny Gray type, then trading him makes sense.

 

Another great catch last night. How could anyone want to see Ramirez in the OF instead of JBJ? If JBJ shows enough at the plate the rest of the way you can't move him unless it is in a deal to get a Sonny Gray. If you notice he is also starting to go the other way as last nights homer shows. Homers off of King Felix and Kulber are good signs for JBJ. He is just so smooth in the field!

[sk7326]

I've actually thought about that scenario, and bringing Shields in (as long as it's not with the expectation that he'll be what he was a couple years ago) makes sense.

 

Without a doubt. Shields can crank out 200 average-ish innings, which is what this team desperately needed as much as anything.

[dupree]

I've actually thought about that scenario, and bringing Shields in (as long as it's not with the expectation that he'll be what he was a couple years ago) makes sense.

As much as everyone is talking about the Panda and Hanley cluster. I see the same in the starting staff as we speak now.

 

Porcello, Miley, Kelly, Rodriguez, Wright, Owens, Johnson, and Barnes with a team option on Bucholtz

 

Ok 1st off you can never have too much pitching.

 

Porcello- will be here because his contract is soo great that the team would have to eat soo much that they will think let's see what he can do next year we will turn this around.

 

Miley - he will be in the rotation because his contract pays him too much to be a reliever or a long reliever but as a #5 starter he has been decent as of late.

 

Rodriguez - he has been the bright spot of the year and he should be the #3 or #3a of the depth chart next year.

 

Kelly - either he moves to the bullpen or he gets gone for penny on the dollar... either you are all in or you are all gone

 

Wright - I hope beyond hope that another team wants to add a knuckler to their team and he gets involved in a deal... either he's on or shelled their no in between with a knuckler... rather be gone than here but I'm not gonna fight anyone who has the argument that he was be a good bullpen piece. It us whatever it is with him

 

Owens & Johnson- both could start the year off in AAA but as soon as an injury happens they should be bright up as #6

 

Barnes - move to the bullpen will be a very good chip there

 

Bucholtz - here is the enigma to it all. Does DD think an injury prone pitcher with flashes of brilliance be worthy of his team option. I'm on the fence about him. I think this is a big move on DD part and if he does come back and pitch this year and does well he's here but if he stays on the DL I'd say DD declines the option and let's him find employee elsewhere.

 

Additionally I see a pitching via Free Agency and most say it was a stupid sign because of the value and terms of the contract and it will be talked her on this board thousands of time over the next 5 or 6 years.

 

If DD can move one of the contacts of Porcello or Wiley and have a better staff top to bottom then I will be impressed. He said he's not here to tear this thing totally apart but anyone who makes their money by throwing to opposing hitters should have a sense of urgency because I don't think anyone is truly safe.

[a700hitter]

As much as everyone is talking about the Panda and Hanley cluster. I see the same in the starting staff as we speak now.

 

Porcello, Miley, Kelly, Rodriguez, Wright, Owens, Johnson, and Barnes with a team option on Bucholtz

 

Ok 1st off you can never have too much pitching.

 

Porcello- will be here because his contract is soo great that the team would have to eat soo much that they will think let's see what he can do next year we will turn this around.

 

Miley - he will be in the rotation because his contract pays him too much to be a reliever or a long reliever but as a #5 starter he has been decent as of late.

 

Rodriguez - he has been the bright spot of the year and he should be the #3 or #3a of the depth chart next year.

 

Kelly - either he moves to the bullpen or he gets gone for penny on the dollar... either you are all in or you are all gone

 

Wright - I hope beyond hope that another team wants to add a knuckler to their team and he gets involved in a deal... either he's on or shelled their no in between with a knuckler... rather be gone than here but I'm not gonna fight anyone who has the argument that he was be a good bullpen piece. It us whatever it is with him

 

Owens & Johnson- both could start the year off in AAA but as soon as an injury happens they should be bright up as #6

 

Barnes - move to the bullpen will be a very good chip there

 

Bucholtz - here is the enigma to it all. Does DD think an injury prone pitcher with flashes of brilliance be worthy of his team option. I'm on the fence about him. I think this is a big move on DD part and if he does come back and pitch this year and does well he's here but if he stays on the DL I'd say DD declines the option and let's him find employee elsewhere.

 

Additionally I see a pitching via Free Agency and most say it was a stupid sign because of the value and terms of the contract and it will be talked her on this board thousands of time over the next 5 or 6 years.

 

If DD can move one of the contacts of Porcello or Wiley and have a better staff top to bottom then I will be impressed. He said he's not here to tear this thing totally apart but anyone who makes their money by throwing to opposing hitters should have a sense of urgency because I don't think anyone is truly safe.

He did say that his primary goal would be to bring in some good pitching.

[sk7326]

As much as everyone is talking about the Panda and Hanley cluster. I see the same in the starting staff as we speak now.

 

Porcello, Miley, Kelly, Rodriguez, Wright, Owens, Johnson, and Barnes with a team option on Bucholtz

 

Ok 1st off you can never have too much pitching.

 

Porcello- will be here because his contract is soo great that the team would have to eat soo much that they will think let's see what he can do next year we will turn this around.

 

Miley - he will be in the rotation because his contract pays him too much to be a reliever or a long reliever but as a #5 starter he has been decent as of late.

 

Rodriguez - he has been the bright spot of the year and he should be the #3 or #3a of the depth chart next year.

 

Kelly - either he moves to the bullpen or he gets gone for penny on the dollar... either you are all in or you are all gone

 

Wright - I hope beyond hope that another team wants to add a knuckler to their team and he gets involved in a deal... either he's on or shelled their no in between with a knuckler... rather be gone than here but I'm not gonna fight anyone who has the argument that he was be a good bullpen piece. It us whatever it is with him

 

Owens & Johnson- both could start the year off in AAA but as soon as an injury happens they should be bright up as #6

 

Barnes - move to the bullpen will be a very good chip there

 

Bucholtz - here is the enigma to it all. Does DD think an injury prone pitcher with flashes of brilliance be worthy of his team option. I'm on the fence about him. I think this is a big move on DD part and if he does come back and pitch this year and does well he's here but if he stays on the DL I'd say DD declines the option and let's him find employee elsewhere.

 

Additionally I see a pitching via Free Agency and most say it was a stupid sign because of the value and terms of the contract and it will be talked her on this board thousands of time over the next 5 or 6 years.

 

If DD can move one of the contacts of Porcello or Wiley and have a better staff top to bottom then I will be impressed. He said he's not here to tear this thing totally apart but anyone who makes their money by throwing to opposing hitters should have a sense of urgency because I don't think anyone is truly safe.

 

I think Owens starts in Boston too. There is clear major league swing and miss and feel. His ability to shake off the horrible start to his last outing was a good sign. I think they need at least one more "top shelf" pitcher for the rest of the rotation to fall into place. Kelly in the pen seems obvious to me too.

[Elktonnick]

In the broadest sense every one is "tradeable". While it is absurd because it won't happen but what GM wouldn't trade a Bradley for a Kershaw or a King Felix. As far as I am concerned, there isn't anyone on the Red Sox major or minor league rosters who isn't tradeable depending on the return.

[Behindenemylines]

JBJ has to be in the 2016 outfield discussion unless he is part of a trade to bring back a true ace.

[mvp 78]

Just give him an honest chance, please.