Marahiro Tanaka And Sox Starting Rotation.

[SCM33]

Also IMO Samardzija is so overrated. I don't like the guy at all. I clearly remember a game vs Philly which he was destroyed and others. I wouldn't pay a haul of top prospects for this guy at all, and I don't see that happening either, we'll see though.

 

Matt Clement #2 ?????

[iortiz]

Matt Clement #2 ?????

 

Heeeey how are you doing SCM33?

 

Exactly, sounds like MC 2.0, and mostly if he goes to an AL team.

[Bellhorn04]

Right. They have a weak infield. and no power in the OF, unless you believe Beltran is 10 years younger. What the Yankees do have is mediapower.

 

You seem a little obsessed with their mediapower.

 

The Yankees are not in a good situation right now or for the next few years as far as I can see. Not unless or until they start producing something out of their farm system.

[iortiz]

You seem a little obsessed with their mediapower.

 

The Yankees are not in a good situation right now or for the next few years as far as I can see. Not unless or until they start producing something out of their farm system.

 

If they sign Tanaka and the guy posts the numbers he is expected to post (#1 type) and most of their roster stay healthy, IMHO the NYY will be a lot better next year and a legit contender to win the division.

[Bellhorn04]

If they sign Tanaka and the guy posts the numbers he is expected to post (#1 type) and most of their roster stay healthy, IMHO the NYY will be a lot better next year and a legit contender to win the division.

 

They need Sabathia to bounce back too. But yeah, if they get Tanaka and some other things go right they should be in the mix at least.

[SCM33]

Heeeey how are you doing SCM33?

 

Exactly, sounds like MC 2.0, and mostly if he goes to an AL team.

 

I'Ve been good. Iv'e moved up in the world. No longer small time, working undercover for the United States Government is not all that it is cracked up to be.........you have no idea what its like to pretend that you have no family, no friends and no wife for 6 months at a time during an op. I am blessed to do what I do, but its tough living two different lives, Imagine what its like to live in enemy territory, to HAVE to root for your rivals!!!!!.......

[Palodios]

A pic of BC or TE pissing pure excellence in my bedroom? No way! LOL!

 

I didn't say anything about them pissing. Just a picture in general. They did combine to bring 3 rings to Boston. What are you, a Yankees fan? Every boy and girl in New England should have a picture of Cherrington in their bed room. Adults too.

 

Well played Palodios. Well played.

 

He walked into that one

[User Name]

I didn't say anything about them pissing. Just a picture in general. They did combine to bring 3 rings to Boston. What are you, a Yankees fan? Every boy and girl in New England should have a picture of Cherrington in their bed room. Adults too.

 

Interesting question.

[iortiz]

I didn't say anything about them pissing. Just a picture in general. They did combine to bring 3 rings to Boston. What are you, a Yankees fan? Every boy and girl in New England should have a picture of Cherrington in their bed room. Adults too.

 

Probably of a player or Fenway but a picture of a GM? Really? LOL! A kid doesn't give a s*** who is running the team and even a lot of adults neither, trust me.

 

Thing is, if the Cubs sign Tanaka, it is going to be on TE, no the GM, no the owner, TE. For good or for bad. Where's the crusade if Tanaka turns into a good deal? I know UN? Loves TE (probably you too), but this is getting ridiculous man.

 

On the other hand, IMO it would be a stupid move for a team like the Cubs which is not in a position to win anything at all in arguably 2-3 years. Why to put on a financial risk an organization not with 100 M but 200 M with an unproven kid RIGHT NOW? Why?. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Also while we won 2 WS under his tenure (with a team that he didn't assemble, but that's ok), his horrible track record on FA signings among other things put his ass out of Boston, and probably will happen again in Cub land if he doesn't right the ship. Time will tell though.

Edited January 21, 2014 by iortiz

[iortiz]

I'Ve been good. Iv'e moved up in the world. No longer small time, working undercover for the United States Government is not all that it is cracked up to be.........you have no idea what its like to pretend that you have no family, no friends and no wife for 6 months at a time during an op. I am blessed to do what I do, but its tough living two different lives, Imagine what its like to live in enemy territory, to HAVE to root for your rivals!!!!!.......

Working Undercover? Wow!. Well... Hopefully everything is fine with you, and soon you can rejoin with your family.

[Bellhorn04]

It doesn't make sense to me at all. Also while we won 2 WS under his ternure (with a team that he didn't assemble, but that's ok)

 

Nobody disagrees that more than one more person assembled the 2004 and 2007 teams. If you were going to list the people who assembled those teams in order, where would he rank?

[iortiz]

Nobody disagrees that more than one more person assembled the 2004 and 2007 teams. If you were going to list the people who assembled those teams in order, where would he rank?

 

Don't take wrong. I liked what he did here regardless whether he assembled the teams or not, but also you just can't hide how he turned this team into a cancer. We had to move on, and we did, things were out of hands in his last years. It is what it is.

Edited January 21, 2014 by iortiz

[Bellhorn04]

Don't take wrong. I liked what he did here regardless whether he assembled the teams or not, but also you just can't hide how he turned this team into a cancer. We had to moved on, and we did, things were out of hands in his last years. It is what it is.

 

Fine, but what about the answer to the question.

[iortiz]

Fine, but what about the answer to the question.

in the middle, probably a bit above.

[User Name]

Probably of a player or Fenway but a picture of a GM? Really? LOL! A kid doesn't give a s*** who is running the team and even a lot of adults neither, trust me.

 

Thing is, if the Cubs sign Tanaka, it is going to be on TE, no the GM, no the owner, TE. For good or for bad. Where's the crusade if Tanaka turns into a good deal? I know UN? Loves TE (probably you too), but this is getting ridiculous man.

 

On the other hand, IMO it would be a stupid move for a team like the Cubs which is not in a position to win anything at all in arguably 2-3 years. Why to put on a financial risk an organization not with 100 M but 200 M with an unproven kid RIGHT NOW? Why?. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Also while we won 2 WS under his tenure (with a team that he didn't assemble, but that's ok), his horrible track record on FA signings among other things put his ass out of Boston, and probably will happen again in Cub land if he doesn't right the ship. Time will tell though.

 

I don't "love" Epstein. I used to love him while he was here. Now that he's gone, i just like to respect his legacy. Also, my problem with your assessments is that you take pride in your business knowledge yet you love to play the "blame game" when assessing baseball organizations, and that's not how it works. For the record, as i stated before, a move for that much money can't be propelled by either Theo or the GM, it has to be ownership backed, and if you know as much as you say you do about the subject, then you know this. In closing, signing Tanaka for 200 million will be a s***** move regardless of what he does, because it's too much money. If they sign him and he provides good value it will have still been a bad move from THE CUBS ORGANIZATION. Unlike you and some here, i don't flip-flop on my opinions and maintain a consistent thought process. That is all.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Okay, just so I understand this. Iortiz is saying that the Cubs signing Tanaka would be a terrible move on Theo Epstein's part, since a team in their position has no business making short-sighted quick fix signings (yay!). But at the same time, iortiz and others have also made a habit of slamming Epstein for not making the necessary quick fix signings to turn the Cubs into a "winning team" (read: an 83 win team instead of a 66 win team or whatever they are). So what exactly should Theo be doing with the Cubs, in their eyes? Edited January 21, 2014 by Jacoby_Ellsbury

[User Name]

If you don't understand what i mean by lack of a "consistent thought process", J_E just described it perfectly.

[rjortiz]

Tanaka isn't even a short-sighted move. He's young, and would be locked up between 6-8 years. He'd be around when their young players start contributing to the major league roster.

[iortiz]

I don't "love" Epstein. I used to love him while he was here. Now that he's gone, i just like to respect his legacy. Also, my problem with your assessments is that you take pride in your business knowledge yet you love to play the "blame game" when assessing baseball organizations, and that's not how it works. For the record, as i stated before, a move for that much money can't be propelled by either Theo or the GM, it has to be ownership backed, and if you know as much as you say you do about the subject, then you know this. In closing, signing Tanaka for 200 million will be a s***** move regardless of what he does, because it's too much money. If they sign him and he provides good value it will have still been a bad move from THE CUBS ORGANIZATION. Unlike you and some here, i don't flip-flop on my opinions and maintain a consistent thought process. That is all.

 

pride of my business knowledge? LOL!, C'mon man, you do not need business knowledge here. Pure common sense.

 

Also do not mix things up. Every single penny spent in an organization little or much, always is approved/propelled /backed by the ownerships, directly or indirectly (via work flow or via their purchase depto/management team who are pre-pre-authorized to do that , for example). Of course, when you spend 200 M in a player, you bet the ownerships are going to at least check out carefully what in the hell they are spending, but still that call/sugestion-to-spend such kind of money is on TE, no GM, no the Owners, TE, and is part of his job and accountability/KPI; TE is the one who is supposed to hire/land the big fish… for good or for bad.

[User Name]

I mean, giving up 8/200 for him would be insanity, but a 6-year contract a bit above market value would certainly make sense, even if it's a gamble.

[rjortiz]

200/8? Oh Theo boy!. LOL!

 

Has this rumor even been confirmed by anyone? It sounds like complete speculation.

[User Name]

An "inside source" was the one who said the Cubs would "not be outbid" for Tanaka and would be willing to go that high. The quote never came out of Epstein's mouth.

[iortiz]

Okay, just so I understand this. Iortiz is saying that the Cubs signing Tanaka would be a terrible move on Theo Epstein's part, since a team in their position has no business making short-sighted quick fix signings (yay!). But at the same time, iortiz and others have also made a habit of slamming Epstein for not making the necessary quick fix signings to turn the Cubs into a "winning team" (read: an 83 win team instead of a 66 win team or whatever they are). So what exactly should Theo be doing with the Cubs, in their eyes?

 

Totally wrong, JE.

 

Thing is, The cubs are not in a I-want-to-win-it-all mode right now, since they are "rebuilding" the team. My point all along is why in the hell spend such kind of money now, when you are 2-3 years to win. IMO i see more question marks than probable rewards making this move right now. Some are saying that he could be at his prime in 2 or 3 years, fine but IMO they would be gambling a lot here if that were the strategy. I would spend a la Mariners/Toronto when I'm in a position to at least be a legit contender on paper. But that's me.

[rjortiz]

The plan is probably to get him then trade Samardzija for a monster return, as Palodios had Theo-rized (heheh) before. I personally don't buy into the Tanaka hype either, but a lot of clubs are very high on him and are willing to pay top dollar for his services.

 

This is just speculation on my part, but I think they are going to try and keep him. They have the young talent for positional players, but are a little short in the pitching department. Samardzija and Tanaka is a good foundation for a rotation, and they have the money to pay both.

 

Also IMO Samardzija is so overrated. I don't like the guy at all. I clearly remember a game vs Philly which he was destroyed and others.

 

I clearly remember a game against Colorado when Clayton Kershaw was destroyed. He's so overrated.

 

I wouldn't pay a haul of top prospects for this guy at all, and I don't see that happening either, we'll see though.

 

He's starting to get expensive and he's got only two years of control left. He's not exactly an ace either. He won't command a haul of top prospects. Maybe one.

 

Matt Clement #2 ?????

 

Clement had substantially worse control than Samardzija. I guess they both played for the Cubs, though.

[mvp 78]

So if they want to win in 2 years and he'll be in his prime in 2 years... What would that tell you?

[iortiz]

If you don't understand what i mean by lack of a "consistent thought process", J_E just described it perfectly.

 

My thought process is fine. Re-read what I have wrote.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Lol at not needing business knowledge when over a hundred million dollars is at stake.

[mvp 78]

I clearly remember a game against Colorado when Clayton Kershaw was destroyed. He's so overrated.

 

One bad performance means a guy is overrated?

 

http://grantland.com/features/so-good-so-young/

[rjortiz]

One bad performance means a guy is overrated?

 

http://grantland.com/features/so-good-so-young/

 

There needs to be a sarcasm button for the internet. I was replying to iortiz with that tongue-in-cheek comment. He said that Samardzija was overrated because he remembered a bad start against the Phillies.

[User Name]

Lol at not needing business knowledge when over a hundred million dollars is at stake.

 

Common sense is not a strong point for some here.....