Marahiro Tanaka And Sox Starting Rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

The players perform.

 

Sure they do, or not. But so do GM's perform and not perform at constructing a roster and farm system. And I find that fans on these forums love to analyze it all, often at great length.

[rjortiz]

Rjortiz, we've had our differences before, but if you were a woman, i'd put a ring on it.

 

Haha, thanks.

[User Name]

Sure they do, or not. But so do GM's perform and not perform at constructing a roster and farm system. And I find that fans on these forums love to analyze it all, often at great length.

 

All of this LOGIC is melting my brain.

[iortiz]

I don't mean to beat this to death, but I have to respond to this. A SV% of exactly 90% would be 13th in MLB in 2013. Would you pay all of those relievers Papelbon money?

 

Philly paid Papelbon since his track record. Since he showed durability and consistency. Very few CLOSERS (no any relievers) has those concepts under their belts, and mostly closing in arguably one of the toughest divisions in baseball during long time. If you find me this profile in your relievers, yes! I will pay them that money for closing 9 of every 10 games since it would mean an automatic shut down game. Just for the record… Mo has a 89% SV% career number under his belt. Pap? 88% thus far.

Edited January 22, 2014 by iortiz

[iortiz]

All of this LOGIC is melting my brain.

 

then ignore it or take a pill.

[seabeachfred]

Hanging from his nuts? LOL! What in the hell are you talking about? You are the only one who whines about Pap every single time in every thread; like today, you brought this up (as always); a thread that is not about him. Typical you, starting shitstorms from nowhere. It's sick.

 

Ever heard of the ignore button RJ????? 700 Hitter showed me where it was and what a Godsend. You don't have to be aggravated and the guy can only talk to himself.

[User Name]

There's nothing more aggravating than being shown the inadequacies of your thought process on a daily basis

[iortiz]

There's nothing more aggravating than being shown the inadequacies of your thought process on a daily basis

 

then, do what Fred is suggesting.

[iortiz]

Ever heard of the ignore button RJ????? 700 Hitter showed me where it was and what a Godsend. You don't have to be aggravated and the guy can only talk to himself.

 

LOL hahahaha thanks Fred. I'm ok, at least I'm practicing my writting english LOL!

 

He said that he was ignoring me, not sure what happened. Maybe This Psycho should take your advise.

[rjortiz]

Philly paid Papelbon since his track record. Since he showed durability and consistency. Very few CLOSERS (no any relievers) has those concepts under their belts, and mostly closing in arguably one of the toughest divisions in baseball during long time. If you find me this profile in your relievers, yes! I would pay them that money for closing 9 of every 10 games since it would mean an automatic shut down game.

 

There has been only three relievers in MLB history with a higher AAV, and zero with a higher total contract value. You are drastically overpaying and overvaluing the closer. Closers pitch in 60-70 innings out of the whole season. Most of them are horribly used, so those aren't even the highest leveraged 70 innings possible. There's also the fact that there are far more good relievers then there are good players at a given position. It's easier to find someone to close, then it is to play 2B. The Red Sox lost two closers, and still found someone to close. They probably would have been OK with Tazawa as the closer if Uehera went down.

 

What I'm trying to say is that paying $12.5 million for 70 innings is an extremely inefficient way to build a team. Maybe there's an exception on a short term deal if you are a championship level team. That wasn't the case with the Phillies. They went four years. I bet they could use that money to fill all the other massive holes on that roster.

 

 

Just for the record… Mo has a 89% SV% career number under his belt. Pap? 88% thus far.

 

When you start seeing results like this, it probably makes sense to reevaluate what metric you are using. Papelbon has had a good career, but his 1% difference in saves doesn't make him worth $12.5 million.

[a700hitter]

Hanging from his nuts? LOL! What in the hell are you talking about? You are the only one who whines about Pap every single time in every thread; like today, you brought this up (as always); a thread that is not about him. Typical you, starting shitstorms from nowhere. It's sick.

He's such an *******. LOL!!! I have him on ignore, so I don't care what he says. Unfortunately, I have to see his contentious garbage when he is quoted. But I get it. He hates Papelbon who helped us win a Championship and who was a consistent excellent performer for us, but he has Theo's ballsack in his mouth despite the fact that Theo left us a last place franchise in disarray and financially strangulated with his foolish deals. To each his own.

[iortiz]

There has been only three relievers in MLB history with a higher AAV, and zero with a higher total contract value. You are drastically overpaying and overvaluing the closer. Closers pitch in 60-70 innings out of the whole season. Most of them are horribly used, so those aren't even the highest leveraged 70 innings possible. There's also the fact that there are far more good relievers then there are good players at a given position. It's easier to find someone to close, then it is to play 2B. The Red Sox lost two closers, and still found someone to close. They probably would have been OK with Tazawa as the closer if Uehera went down.

 

What I'm trying to say is that paying $12.5 million for 70 innings is an extremely inefficient way to build a team. Maybe there's an exception on a short term deal if you are a championship level team. That wasn't the case with the Phillies. They went four years. I bet they could use that money to fill all the other massive holes on that roster.

 

 

 

 

When you start seeing results like this, it probably makes sense to reevaluate what metric you are using. Papelbon has had a good career, but his 1% difference in saves doesn't make him worth $12.5 million.

 

sorry rj, I do not want to be disrespectful, but I won't go in circles on this topic all over again. I already rest my case so many times, specially with this Psycho U?. Maybe we have to agree to disagree, but I respect your point of view though.

Edited January 22, 2014 by iortiz

[iortiz]

He's such an *******. LOL!!! I have him on ignore, so I don't care what he says. Unfortunately, I have to see his contentious garbage when he is quoted. But I get it. He hates Papelbon who helped us win a Championship and who was a consistent excellent performer for us, but he has Theo's ballsack in his mouth despite the fact that Theo left us a last place franchise in disarray and financially strangulated with his foolish deals. To each his own.

 

yeah, this guy has serious problems LOL!

[mvp 78]

Yanks just got Kei Igawa 2.0!

[Palodios]

f***. f*** Arod. f*** Bud Selig. f*** the MLB Player's Union.

 

And more importantly, f*** the Yankees.

 

May Tanaka grow fat and lazy, and be the next Dice-k.

[mvp 78]

Wake up Ben!

[Spudboy]

Onley Reports Yankees have signed Tanaka. 7/144 with a 4 year opt out.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/01/report_yankees_get_masahiro_tanaka.html

[Bellhorn04]

Ha ha...love that opt-out clause. Just like the Sabathia deal.

[SoxSport]

Yeah it's on the tweets. $22 million per yr for a guy who has never thrown a major league pitch. The mark of desperation. Even the Dodgers passed at that number. 7 years/$155 million. Player opt out after 4 yrs.

 

And I thought $21+ million for Ellsbury was ridiculous. Can't understand why they took Ells over Cano. Big mistake. They could have gotten Cano for shorter years and more $$.

 

Looks to me like Starbrenner changed his tune after losing Cano. Moved to freespending mode. Sherman writes Yankees lost TV ratings last year, and making the playoffs is a priority. MLB is about TV.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SoxSport

[Divinity]

Yeah it's on the tweets. $22 million per yr for a guy who has never thrown a major league pitch. The mark of desperation. Even the Dodgers passed at that number.

 

And I thought $21+ million for Ellsbury was ridiculous. Can't understand why they took Ells over Cano. Big mistake. They could have gotten Cano for shorter years and more $$.

 

Looks to me like Starbrenner changed his tune after losing Cano. Moved to freespending mode.

 

The Yankees offered him a shorter / higher salary deal at 7/175 and he turned it down.

 

Cub's were also willing to give Tanaka a similar deal to what the Yanks gave him.

[Spudboy]

I guess this was predictable. In any case, the Yankees have a lot of work to do to even get a whiff of being competitive in the AL East.

[SoxSport]

The Yankees offered him a shorter / higher salary deal at 7/175 and he turned it down.

 

Cub's were also willing to give Tanaka a similar deal to what the Yanks gave him.

 

Yeah, but clearly they were in a different spending mode at that time. They changed their minds at some point after Ellsbury signing.

Sherman writes they moved to '08 mode, where they spent $450M on FAs after missing playoffs. Their TV ratings suffered last year missing the playoffs, and it's all about TV anyways. They are freespending again to make the playoffs. I'm sure they regret losing Cano, since their infield now sucks.

 

http://nypost.com/2014/01/22/yankees-sign-masahiro-tanaka-for-7-years-155m/

Edited January 22, 2014 by SoxSport

[SoxSport]

The Yankees offered him a shorter / higher salary deal at 7/175 and he turned it down.

 

 

7 yrs at 175 was not a higher enough per yr salary than Mariners offer. They needed to offer him 7/$190. $27 mil per year--higher than Mariners offer of $24 mil per yr. Wasn't it 10/240? I think they would do it right now if they could.

Edited January 22, 2014 by SoxSport

[a700hitter]

f***. f*** Arod. f*** Bud Selig. f*** the MLB Player's Union.

 

And more importantly, f*** the Yankees.

 

May Tanaka grow fat and lazy, and be the next Dice-k.

Maybe the next Irabu.

[rjortiz]

I guess this was predictable. In any case, the Yankees have a lot of work to do to even get a whiff of being competitive in the AL East.

 

If everything breaks right they could be in contention. The pitching staff could carry them, and they avoid the injury bug. That's a lot to hope for from that roster.

[Spitball]

"What's so fascinating is to see many of these same clubs falling over themselves trying to sign Tanaka for five or six years. The way he has been developed -- the early workload as a teenager, the high pitch count games, the 53 complete games -- is anathema to what MLB clubs have embraced today." - Tom Verducci

 

I am okay with the Yankees getting Tanaka. The Yankees will surely regret this guy and Ellsbury in a couple of years.

[rjortiz]

I had already assumed he was pitching for the Yankees, and still thought they were the third best team in the East.

[iortiz]

As I said, If this kid is for real, CC bounces back and most of their roster stay healthy, the NYY will be a legit contender on paper.

 

It's going to be very competitive the ALE.

Edited January 22, 2014 by iortiz

[jacksonianmarch]

We don't need him to be legit, we need him to be above average in 2014. Anything else is gravy. I hope he becomes a Darvish esque pitcher, but I'll take a guy who can give us innings around a 4ERA in yr 1

[iortiz]

We don't need him to be legit, we need him to be above average in 2014. Anything else is gravy. I hope he becomes a Darvish esque pitcher, but I'll take a guy who can give us innings around a 4ERA in yr 1

Really? I don't think the owners are with you on this.