Giancarlo Stanton?

[win red sox]

That trade would make very little sense for the Red Sox. And the Marlins may still not take it.

 

I was trying make the point that you can acquire him without hurting the team presently and in the future. And your probably right in that the Marlins would probably want more, but each year the wait the price will go down. And just on a side note I have serious doubts that buchholz will ever stay healthy for a full year.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I was trying make the point that you can acquire him without hurting the team presently and in the future. And your probably right in that the Marlins would probably want more, but each year the wait the price will go down. And just on a side note I have serious doubts that buchholz will ever stay healthy for a full year.

 

And each year, Stanton's possible contributions will go down. Stanton is a good hitter, but I doubt he will ever be the best hitter available. Trading away even the #5 or 6 prospect for what could end up being one or two great offensive seasons and then two or three seasons of mediocre DHing seems like a really bad idea.

[User Name]

I was trying make the point that you can acquire him without hurting the team presently and in the future. And your probably right in that the Marlins would probably want more, but each year the wait the price will go down. And just on a side note I have serious doubts that buchholz will ever stay healthy for a full year.

 

Even if injury-prone, when healthy Buchholz is a top-flight pitcher. Trading him in order to set up a package to get Stanton weakens the pitching to improve the offense. It's like digging a hole in your backyard so you can fill a hole near your porch.

[lospunchados]

 

Buccholz has made a minimum of 27 starts in 5 of 7 years since 2007, he can stay healthy most pitchers have a few years where they miss time. I'll take 5 years out of 7 years as fairly consistent for a quality pitcher.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Even if injury-prone, when healthy Buchholz is a top-flight pitcher. Trading him in order to set up a package to get Stanton weakens the pitching to improve the offense. It's like digging a hole in your backyard so you can fill a hole near your porch.

 

To be fair, a hole close to your porch usually means something is crawling under there and pooping. Usually a raccoon.

[User Name]

To be fair, a hole close to your porch usually means something is crawling under there and pooping. Usually a raccoon.

 

That reminds me of a video game for some reason.

[win red sox]

And each year, Stanton's possible contributions will go down. Stanton is a good hitter, but I doubt he will ever be the best hitter available. Trading away even the #5 or 6 prospect for what could end up being one or two great offensive seasons and then two or three seasons of mediocre DHing seems like a really bad idea.

 

He's only 24, more than likely his contributions go up. I don't see him dhing for awhile as he's been a plus defender the last couple of years. And he's not just a good hitter, he's a premier power bat that still hasn't hit his prime. You can make the argument that outside of Trout, Stanton would be the one player you build your team around.

[User Name]

Harper? Goldschmidt? Posey?

[win red sox]

Harper? Goldschmidt? Posey?

 

as I said, you can make the argument. Harper to me would be toss up. Posey is in the conversation if he stays at catcher, and Goldschmidt is having a breakout year but would you really take Goldschmidt over Stanton?

[User Name]

Better health history. It's a toss up imo.

[win red sox]

Better health history. It's a toss up imo.

 

I can see that argument. But realize this, that premier talent in there prime is not hitting the free agent market anymore, and due to the new cba teams are locking up the talent through there prime. If I was Ben and if I could get Stanton without gutting the farm, I do it and spend the next 3 years trying to extend him.

[lospunchados]

I can see that argument. But realize this, that premier talent in there prime is not hitting the free agent market anymore, and due to the new cba teams are locking up the talent through there prime. If I was Ben and if I could get Stanton without gutting the farm, I do it and spend the next 3 years trying to extend him.

 

The Marlins don't care that Stanton doesn't want to be there. They will not trade him until his final year unless someone does gut there farm system. There hope is that he will just play through his days at best effort because it's in his best interest for when he hits the free agent market to play well before he is a free agent.

 

Also the front office of the Marlins is trying to show him a bit of upside saying hey maybe it won't be that bad here after next year with the incredibly talented Jose Fernandez, the emergence of Jacob turner ( who has to very reasonable option years left) and Bringing up Yelich and Marisnick to start there on the job training. honestly i know they sold off there team, but other than Reyes they might be a better team all around because of it by next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's 23, has a career OPS of .900 and has hit 106HRs. His talent level is completely rare and he is a good 5 yrs away from his prime

[Bellhorn04]

I know he's a great player, but personally I find the trade speculation to be a pain in the ass. And the very sound of 'emptying the farm system' makes me want to puke.

[Behindenemylines]

I know he's a great player, but personally I find the trade speculation to be a pain in the ass. And the very sound of 'emptying the farm system' makes me want to puke.

 

I kind of agree with this reasoning. The Sox have their own potential Stanton with Bogaerts who plays the most important defensive position. If you look at the top prospects in the system and only a third of them reach their potential then the Sox are going to be in contention for awhile. What if you trade most of your top prospects to get Stanton and he becomes one of those players who can not play under the bright lights of Boston? I like the kid as a player, but don't want to sell the farm to get him.

[BornToRun]

Bellhorn captures my feelings perfectly. Even the slightest mention of emptying the farm makes me feel sick.

[a700hitter]

Stanton is a bigger pipedream than Lee. It's not even worth of discussion until he can take Miam to arb or leave for FA.

[Dojji]

I kind of agree with this reasoning. The Sox have their own potential Stanton with Bogaerts who plays the most important defensive position. If you look at the top prospects in the system and only a third of them reach their potential then the Sox are going to be in contention for awhile. What if you trade most of your top prospects to get Stanton and he becomes one of those players who can not play under the bright lights of Boston? I like the kid as a player, but don't want to sell the farm to get him.

 

I consider catcher a more important defensive position than SS. Everything else you say I'm 100% on board.

[BSN07]

I'm guessing Texas or Pittsburgh gets him in the off season. Texas is desperate for a bat and they can build a a package around Profar and Perez. Pittsburgh has overall a fairly young team and can take a shot at "now" and deal a portion of their "future" talent. Their farm system is definitely deep enough to pull off a trade. Would he be an upgrade in the OF for the Sox? Of course, but the OF has some decent depth and is overall good. The Sox imo are in more need of the pieces it would take to get Stanton then Stanton himself. Therefore even if he was/is/will be available, it doesn't make sense for the Sox.

[win red sox]

Stanton is a bigger pipedream than Lee. It's not even worth of discussion until he can take Miam to arb or leave for FA.

 

he's taking Miami to arb this offseason.

[a700hitter]

he's taking Miami to arb this offseason.

He will not get much this year, because he missed a lot of time.

[Dojji]

And even a team as cheap as Miami will pay. They lose all hope of getting established in their market if they play games here.

[win red sox]

I'm guessing Texas or Pittsburgh gets him in the off season. Texas is desperate for a bat and they can build a a package around Profar and Perez. Pittsburgh has overall a fairly young team and can take a shot at "now" and deal a portion of their "future" talent. Their farm system is definitely deep enough to pull off a trade. Would he be an upgrade in the OF for the Sox? Of course, but the OF has some decent depth and is overall good. The Sox imo are in more need of the pieces it would take to get Stanton then Stanton himself. Therefore even if he was/is/will be available, it doesn't make sense for the Sox.

 

Both of them seem like logical land spots for Stanton with Texas having the ability to resign him, but you could argue that Boston has a deeper farm system than both and with it's financial abilities to extend him make Boston a logical landing spot. Boston's OF Depth outside of 1B is the worst in the system, outside of Bradley Jr. no one projects to be an everyday regular. Of's under contract next year are Victorino(hasn't been healthy all year), Gomes(should be a DH), Nava(who is a liability on the basebaths and in the field), and Carp(a 1b by trade). The middle of the lineup will be a concern next year as Ortiz will eventually have to regress, Napoli if resigned has no business batting in the middle of the order. Let's don't forget that it's almost a forgone conclusion that Ellsbury will be gone and while Bradley might be able to replace him defensively I have serious doubts that he will be able to replicate Ellsbury's offensive contribution. With all that said, if you can acquire Stanton without gutting the farm it's a no brainer.

[win red sox]

I would imagine next trade deadline or the following offseason is when he most likely be moved, but every year they hold onto him he loses a little value.

[redsoxfan3]

Both of them seem like logical land spots for Stanton with Texas having the ability to resign him, but you could argue that Boston has a deeper farm system than both and with it's financial abilities to extend him make Boston a logical landing spot. Boston's OF Depth outside of 1B is the worst in the system, outside of Bradley Jr. no one projects to be an everyday regular. Of's under contract next year are Victorino(hasn't been healthy all year), Gomes(should be a DH), Nava(who is a liability on the basebaths and in the field), and Carp(a 1b by trade). The middle of the lineup will be a concern next year as Ortiz will eventually have to regress, Napoli if resigned has no business batting in the middle of the order. Let's don't forget that it's almost a forgone conclusion that Ellsbury will be gone and while Bradley might be able to replace him defensively I have serious doubts that he will be able to replicate Ellsbury's offensive contribution. With all that said, if you can acquire Stanton without gutting the farm it's a no brainer.

 

I do agree with you that OF depth in our system is not as deep as other areas. However, Brentz does have a ceiling to be an everyday RF and to hit 5th or 6th in the lineup. He is hitting .272 this year with 16 HR's and 53 RBI's. He is also already 24. Also, FWIW, we do have Kalish as well, but he cannot seem to stay healthy. Outside of Kalish, Bradley, and Brentz, there is not anyone who is really ready in terms of OF prospects who has the potential to be an everyday player.

 

We have a couple of options.

 

1) We can resign Ells long-term after this offseason. He is not going to be the 32 HR hitter we saw in 2011, but he has proven, if he can stay healthy, that he is an effective leadoff hitter, who can hit for average, and can steal bases. If we can resign him, have Victorino in RF, and count on Bradley, then we have three good OF options. Nava is a 4th OF and Gomes is also under contract for next year. We will have Carp as well. Not to mention, who knows what will happen with Kalish and Brentz. I am not sure what kind of timetable is/will be set for him. This is completely optimistic, but we have Bradley, Gomes, Nava, Carp, and Kalish who can all play LF. We have Ellsbury, Victorino, and Bradley who can play CF, with Nava and Kalish with experience there as well. We have Victorino, Nava, Brentz, and Kalish who can play RF. This of course all depends on how injuries play out and if we can resign Ells.

 

2) We can trade to trade for Stanton. Remember, this will probably cost us Bradley, Bogaerts and more prospects. So if we do trade for Stanton and do not resign Ells, then that will limit the OF even more. If Stanton can stay healthy, then we have a great addition offensively with a player that adds a lot of power to the middle of the lineup. If we can trade for him, then we have to see how it plays out. I would love an OF of Victorino, Stanton, and Ells (if we can resign him). I personally love the homegrown prospects that we are developing and would love to see how Bogaerts and Bradley can do with us in the future, but it is hard to pass on someone like Stanton. It is just a matter of what needs to be done.

 

The options are there. I think we need to aim to resign Ellsbury to make our OF that much better. I like his production from the leadoff role and ability to steal bases. With Stanton, we can probably move Victorino to LF. Our OF looks solid, but we will probably not have Bogaerts at SS. It is a tossup. My only real concern with Stanton is trading away Bogaerts. I am completely for the Stanton trade if we can keep Bogaerts. A package around Bradley would be ideal. We trade away a top prospect in the OF, but we get a young OF player in return. The question is, will a package involving SOME (not all) of Bradley, Cecchini, Owens, Webster, De La Rosa, Ranaudo, Barnes, Swihart, Workman, Britton, Marrero, etc. enough (without giving up Bogaerts) to land Stanton? I think we have the prospects and flexibility to do so.

Edited August 2, 2013 by redsoxfan3

[sk7326]

Have hard time trading that much for any corner OF ... even with his age and homeruns.

[User Name]

I feel like I may have said this in a separate thread but I really don't see it being worth it. With the amount of prospects it would take, if just 50% of them turn out to be good players, we could have two great players instead of one. That's not a ridiculous bet to make, really.

 

I do love Stanton though. If he doesn't resign in Miami, I'd be okay making a big offer to him.

[mvp 78]

If Stanton was 1997 Pedro Martinez, you empty the farm. You don't do that for an OF that will be a FA in the next few years anyway.

[jacksonianmarch]

RSF3, Kalish is probably not gonna make it. He's out for the yr and has considered retiring due to chronic injuries

[sk7326]

If Stanton was 1997 Pedro Martinez, you empty the farm. You don't do that for an OF that will be a FA in the next few years anyway.

 

Even then, when a dude can't play Center Field - it is hard to empty the farm anyway.