Giancarlo Stanton?

[BornToRun]

There have been reports for a while now that BC really has his eyes on Stanton. Just a day or 2 ago it was let out that we would give up whatever it takes to land him from Miami. I'm wondering what everyone's opinion on the matter is and if I'm the only one who honestly doesn't want us to make that move.

 

Now, let me preface this by saying that Stanton is awesome at baseball. He plays good defense and is a complete monster with the bat. He's only 23 and is already a beast of a power hitter.

 

My misgivings are as follows:

 

Xander- I have a hard time believing that any deal for Giancarlo wouldn't require us to throw in Bogaerts. Xander very well may be the best prospect in baseball and is a 20 year old SS who's already tearing up AAA and has MVP potential. MVP potential that we'd have under control for 6 years at a low price. We've spent a decade looking for our next SS and we've finally found a guy who can perhaps be the next Nomar.

 

Young Pitching- The Marlins have a whole slew of outfield and infield prospects that have good potential. What that means is that Miami might be less interested in guys like Garin or JBJ and will want to pilfer 3-4 of our top pitching talent such as Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo, Owens, or RDLR. The Red Sox have never hurt for offense and, although awesome, Stanton is a corner OF'er with some injury history. I don't think it'll be extremely hard to find good production from that spot for a fraction of what Stanton would cost. I don't think we should rape our farm of all the young pitching we have. Good, young pitching is much harder to find than slugging outfielders and I don't want to trade away a huge chunk of the great young arms we've spent years putting together to fill a position that I don't really think is a pressing need.

 

Years and Dollars: If we pulled of a deal this offseason, it'd give us 3 years of Stanton's services. After those 3 years he would hit the FA market and there are 2 things that could happen. We either pay out the ass in terms of years and dollars, which we know from experience is a gigantic risk. Or he signs somewhere else and we've just gutted the youth movement for 3 years of Stanton.

 

In closing, I'd love to have Giancarlo in a Sox uniform but at that price with the risk that comes with him, I'd say pass. Even if we are able to resign him, it's going to require a contract of Pujols/Fielder proportions and that's going to tie up a gigantic chunk of payroll for years to come. To get long term benefit from a deal, it'd cost not just the farm but also more than 200 million dollars. I think I'd rather hold onto the kids and work towards building a team who's core consists of homegrown talent that's young, cheap, and productive leaving us money to spend on extensions or on areas of need.

 

So, what does everyone else think? Hold onto the kids or do whatever it takes for Giancarlo?

Edited August 1, 2013 by BornToRun

[jacksonianmarch]

A deal for Stanton would be stupid at this juncture. He's got 2 yrs of control left and will cost an absolute monster fortune of prospects. We're talking your top 4 prospects at least. Bogaerts, Bradley, Barnes and Ranaudo would be on their way. And that might not get it done

[mvp 78]

Not into it.

[Palodios]

When Iglesias was traded, Cherrington changed his voicemail message to "Bogaertz is not available". With no other future at SS, and no major players at the position available any time soon, he's more than untouchable right now.

 

The only possible way he could be traded is if Cano would be willing to switch to SS, and that whole concept is an insane longshot.

[Emmz]

I'd do whatever it takes to get Stanton, if only the Sox could afford that.

 

I can promise you though, that Stanton's going to be just about the best player in baseball once he's out of Miami. When you're hitting 35 (Easily would have hit 40 if he didn't miss a couple of months last year) home runs in Miami, with LoMo and Hanley as your protection, you can hit home runs anywhere.

[Dojji]

Sigh.

 

WHY do people keep DOING this?

 

Stanton is young and cheap right now. Until he becomes older and more expeensive, he doesn't get traded unless he literally, and I do mean LITERALLY, shoots his way out of town. As in himself and his bodyguards bursting out through roadblocks set by the Dade County police under a hail of fire from the Florida National Guard.

[Emmz]

The moment you close your mind to the possibility of pleasant surprises, you are dead in spirit.

[Dojji]

This wouldn't be a pleasant surprise. THis would be an outright miracle, the odds of which I rate right around those of the entire Muslim world, en masse, publicly admitting they've been deluded barbarians for the past 800 years, suddenly deciding to start offering tribute in Gold to the United States and bowing 5 times a day to the Statue of Liberty rather than Mecca.

 

I'll set my sights on some implausible things -- I don't think you guys will ever let me live down my manlove for Lars Anderson for example -- so when I balk at the odds of a thing happening, you know it's way out there. I don't care how popular the idea is, crackpot theory is crackpot.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Dojji

[BornToRun]

The moment you close your mind to the possibility of pleasant surprises, you are dead in spirit.

 

Just curious here. What are you willing to give up in talent and how much are you willing to pay to hold onto him?

[Dojji]

Pedroia, Buchholz, our top 10 prospects and 100 million dollars a year should make it happen.

 

Pay any price, right?

[BornToRun]

How much you think he's gonna get when he hits FA? I find it hard to believe we won't be looking at at least 8 years and over 200 million. Maybe even more.

[Dojji]

A-rod money. And he'll probably deserve it more than A-Rod did.

[BornToRun]

A-rod money. And he'll probably deserve it more than A-Rod did.

 

Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near that amount of money.

[Brock Holt]

Bogaerts plays a more premier position, has almost as much potential as Stanton and wont cost nearly as much as stanton will in a few years. Bogaerts alone should be able to get us Stanton. If they don't want to do that. tells marlins GM to f*** off and keep Xander and our other 3 top prospects

 

trade isnt worth it at all. only players id give up xander for include Miggy, Trout, Harper, Kershaw, Hernandez. Thats about it.

[BornToRun]

Bogaerts plays a more premier position, has almost as much potential as Stanton and wont cost nearly as much as stanton will in a few years. Bogaerts alone should be able to get us Stanton. If they don't want to do that. tells marlins GM to f*** off and keep Xander and our other 3 top prospects

 

trade isnt worth it at all. only players id give up xander for include Miggy, Trout, Harper, Kershaw, Hernandez. Thats about it.

 

I'd add Harvey to that list and subtract Miggy purely because he's on the wrong side of 30 but otherwise I agree with you.

[rjortiz]

Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near that amount of money.

 

He's was a five win player at the age of 22. Most of the players that accomplished that feat are in the Hall of Fame. He'd be worth every penny.

[BornToRun]

He's was a five win player at the age of 22. Most of the players that accomplished that feat are in the Hall of Fame. He'd be worth every penny.

 

Those contracts never end well. I don't think there's a player on earth that'd I'd give that much money.

[rjortiz]

We gave Pedroia $100 million, what do you think about that contract?

[BornToRun]

We gave Pedroia $100 million, what do you think about that contract?

 

Pedroia was an underpay and is only going to cost around 10 million a year on the back end of the deal.

[BSN07]

No thanks, Stanton is awesome but there isn't any one player I'd trade half my teams top 10 though unless the system is ranked bad. You don't wager a chunk of a top 5 farm system for one guy.

[BornToRun]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I hope the reports about BC willing to give up anything and everything for Stanton aren't true. It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

[Behindenemylines]

I think both Bogaerts and Owens will be big time players so I can't see moving them plus other top prospects for one player. Besides the Rangers call every week and the Marlins response is go take a hike. He is not going to be traded until Miami feels he no longer fits in their budget.

[jacksonianmarch]

They could give Stanton an ARod contract and he'd fit in their budget. Theyre gonna deal Stanton this offseason. And when they do, the haul they will get will be unprecedented

[marklmw]

The Sox are not in need of runs ... they are in need of pitching. I would much rather they spend their money on pitching.

Back to the runs ... we have some good prospects that can help us in the power department as well. Next season the left side of our infield could possibly add 35 hrs. over this seasons production. Bogaerts and Middlebrooks. We have another player in AA at third that has power and if we want to make more contact we can pry Loney away from TB. Makes TB weaker and the Sox stronger.

[marklmw]

There have been reports for a while now that BC really has his eyes on Stanton. Just a day or 2 ago it was let out that we would give up whatever it takes to land him from Miami. I'm wondering what everyone's opinion on the matter is and if I'm the only one who honestly doesn't want us to make that move.

 

Now, let me preface this by saying that Stanton is awesome at baseball. He plays good defense and is a complete monster with the bat. He's only 23 and is already a beast of a power hitter.

 

Nicely stated. Who came up with the idea of Bogaerts and 3 other prospects in the first place. Give Ben a little credit.

 

My misgivings are as follows:

 

Xander- I have a hard time believing that any deal for Giancarlo wouldn't require us to throw in Bogaerts. Xander very well may be the best prospect in baseball and is a 20 year old SS who's already tearing up AAA and has MVP potential. MVP potential that we'd have under control for 6 years at a low price. We've spent a decade looking for our next SS and we've finally found a guy who can perhaps be the next Nomar.

 

Young Pitching- The Marlins have a whole slew of outfield and infield prospects that have good potential. What that means is that Miami might be less interested in guys like Garin or JBJ and will want to pilfer 3-4 of our top pitching talent such as Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo, Owens, or RDLR. The Red Sox have never hurt for offense and, although awesome, Stanton is a corner OF'er with some injury history. I don't think it'll be extremely hard to find good production from that spot for a fraction of what Stanton would cost. I don't think we should rape our farm of all the young pitching we have. Good, young pitching is much harder to find than slugging outfielders and I don't want to trade away a huge chunk of the great young arms we've spent years putting together to fill a position that I don't really think is a pressing need.

 

Years and Dollars: If we pulled of a deal this offseason, it'd give us 3 years of Stanton's services. After those 3 years he would hit the FA market and there are 2 things that could happen. We either pay out the ass in terms of years and dollars, which we know from experience is a gigantic risk. Or he signs somewhere else and we've just gutted the youth movement for 3 years of Stanton.

 

In closing, I'd love to have Giancarlo in a Sox uniform but at that price with the risk that comes with him, I'd say pass. Even if we are able to resign him, it's going to require a contract of Pujols/Fielder proportions and that's going to tie up a gigantic chunk of payroll for years to come. To get long term benefit from a deal, it'd cost not just the farm but also more than 200 million dollars. I think I'd rather hold onto the kids and work towards building a team who's core consists of homegrown talent that's young, cheap, and productive leaving us money to spend on extensions or on areas of need.

 

So, what does everyone else think? Hold onto the kids or do whatever it takes for Giancarlo?

 

Bogaerts plays a more premier position, has almost as much potential as Stanton and wont cost nearly as much as stanton will in a few years. Bogaerts alone should be able to get us Stanton. If they don't want to do that. tells marlins GM to f*** off and keep Xander and our other 3 top prospects

 

trade isnt worth it at all. only players id give up xander for include Miggy, Trout, Harper, Kershaw, Hernandez. Thats about it.

 

Nicely stated. Who came up with the idea of Bogaerts and 3 other prospects in the first place. Give Ben a little credit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stanton is playing in a less powerful time, mind you. And at his age, he has a similar OPS and more HR's than ARod did at his age. And that is with Alex being a complete and total juicer. If Arod were to have been dealt at age 23, imagine the haul it would take to get him? Bogaerts has a ton of potential, but mind you, Stanton was hitting 34HRs and OPS'ing .893 in a s***** park in the MAJORS at the same age. There are very few comps for Stanton, especially since there are few players who have hit 100+Hrs by the time they turn 24. The guy is a completely and totally special talent who isn't even close to his prime and has 2 more yrs of team control at reasonable dollars. His haul will be enormous

[dupree]

I agree Stanton will probably be moved this offseason. I wouldnt give up the farm for Stanton tho. Id rather have pitching. When Stanton does hit the open market ARod's contract will be the least he gets. Id say he gets a ARod deal if not more.

[win red sox]

The sox could always get another team involved in a 3 way. Maybe Package Buchholz and Carp to St Louis headlined by 2b Kolten Wong and Matt Adams, both are currently blocked. Then I would imagine you could package Wong, Adams, Ranaudo, Owens, and RDLR. The sox can definitely acquire Stanton without gutting the farm, its just a matter of being creative.

[User Name]

That trade would make very little sense for the Red Sox. And the Marlins may still not take it.

[Youk Of The Nation]

The sox could always get another team involved in a 3 way. Maybe Package Buchholz and Carp to St Louis headlined by 2b Kolten Wong and Matt Adams, both are currently blocked. Then I would imagine you could package Wong, Adams, Ranaudo, Owens, and RDLR. The sox can definitely acquire Stanton without gutting the farm, its just a matter of being creative.

 

 

Buchholz for Stanton is a trade that is wholly incompatible with your username.