Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[BSN07]

He's an all power and nothing else "catcher" who likely needs to move off the position. His value isnt high

 

It is considering the shortage of C's available. Supply and demand.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd use the term catcher loosely. He's really a DH or 1b catching.

[BSN07]

Victorino has multiple three-year offers on the table, and even a four-year offer, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (Twitter link).

 

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[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Brian Wilson, come on down please.

[bubbakeg52]

Ya mutha f***a ... Brian Wilson... He is Dennis Eckersly

[BSN07]

I'd use the term catcher loosely. He's really a DH or 1b catching.

 

Salty- 2.0 WAR

R. Martin- 2.2( Just had a multiple teams bidding for his services)

Arencibia- 1.3(considered to be a nice trade chip for Toronto)

 

 

These guys all have value in a C thin market. Even though each has his own down side.

[BSN07]

Brian Wilson, come on down please.

 

Is this just a general statement or did some new story pop up about him going to the Sox?

[User Name]

If the Red Sox are really thinking of spending money with the goal of contending in 2013, why would they make the Lester-for-Myers trade? That makes absolutely no sense considering how thin the Red Sox rotation is.

[bubbakeg52]

Ya he is like a 26yr, Hafner, lol

[Laser Show]

If the Red Sox are really thinking of spending money with the goal of contending in 2013, why would they make the Lester-for-Myers trade? That makes absolutely no sense considering how thin the Red Sox rotation is.

 

The only reason I can think of, is that they have other deals in the works. Cherington has stated that he plans on getting the payroll back up and being competitive in 2013. Maybe trading Lester for Myers opens the door to bring in a legitimate #1/2, with Myers as the trade chip.

[User Name]

The only reason I can think of, is that they have other deals in the works. Cherington has stated that he plans on getting the payroll back up and being competitive in 2013. Maybe trading Lester for Myers opens the door to bring in a legitimate #1/2, with Myers as the trade chip.

 

Yeah but then you'd have to also trade considerable assets along with Myers. That defeats the whole purpose.

[rjortiz]

Haha, what about Myers and Barnes for David Price?

[Orange Juiced]

Yeah but then you'd have to also trade considerable assets along with Myers. That defeats the whole purpose.

 

Rumor floating around that the Red Sox and White Sox might pull off a Salty-for-Gavin Floyd trade. Makes sense for both sides. ChiSox need catching help and have lots of SP, Sox need SP help and have an excess of catchers. Floyd costs a lot more than Salty does, so ChiSox would save some $$ as well.

 

That would be a good trade.

[User Name]

Rumor floating around that the Red Sox and White Sox might pull off a Salty-for-Gavin Floyd trade. Makes sense for both sides. ChiSox need catching help and have lots of SP, Sox need SP help and have an excess of catchers. Floyd costs a lot more than Salty does, so ChiSox would save some $$ as well.

 

That would be a good trade.

 

That would be an excellent deal for the Red Sox to make. Afterwards they could sign a starter and an OF. /offseason.

[bubbakeg52]

I was going to call that trade but passed. They wanted Floyd last year. He will make Lackey leave town for shutting him up.

[bubbakeg52]

Napoli will be an improvement of Mike Lowell. 50 doubles, 30 hrs, is allright for 13 mil compared to A-Gone disappointing after he learned HR derby counts for the World Series

[Orange Juiced]

That would be an excellent deal for the Red Sox to make. Afterwards they could sign a starter and an OF. /offseason.

 

Dan Haren to a 1-yr, $12m deal.

Josh Hamilton to a 3-yr, $75m deal.

 

Lineup:

CF Ellsbury

2b Pedroia

RF Hamilton

1b Napoli

DH Ortiz

3b Middlebrooks

LF Gomes/Kalish (platoon)

C Lavarnway

SS Iglesias

Bench: Ross (really good backup C), Sands (good power), Gomez (good power), Ciriaco (good fielder, good speed, can play 3 IF positions), Nava (switch-hitter, can play LF or RF); plus Napoli's ability to C gives them a ton of flexibility

 

Rotation: Lester, Haren, Floyd, Buchholz, Lackey/Doubront

Bullpen: Bailey, Bard, Morales, Tazawa, Aceves, Breslow, Melancon, Bard, Lackey/Doubront

 

Voila - instant contender, at a payroll of roughly $145 million, and *without* giving up any prospects, so you're still set up for the future.

[User Name]

Haha this sounds too good to be true, so it probably is.

[a700hitter]

Dan Haren to a 1-yr, $12m deal.

Josh Hamilton to a 3-yr, $75m deal.

 

Lineup:

CF Ellsbury

2b Pedroia

RF Hamilton

1b Napoli

DH Ortiz

3b Middlebrooks

LF Gomes/Kalish (platoon)

C Lavarnway

SS Iglesias

Bench: Ross (really good backup C), Sands (good power), Gomez (good power), Ciriaco (good fielder, good speed, can play 3 IF positions), Nava (switch-hitter, can play LF or RF); plus Napoli's ability to C gives them a ton of flexibility

 

Rotation: Lester, Haren, Floyd, Buchholz, Lackey/Doubront

Bullpen: Bailey, Bard, Morales, Tazawa, Aceves, Breslow, Melancon, Bard, Lackey/Doubront

 

Voila - instant contender, at a payroll of roughly $145 million, and *without* giving up any prospects, so you're still set up for the future.

I agree. Building a contending team with the Red Sox' resources is not like designing the space shuttle.

[seabeachfred]

The latest twitter noise (Cafardo) is the Sox are "going hard after Napoli."

 

And we got him and I have egg on my face and it will be a pleasure wiping it off. This is great news, a terrific signing and I go on record now that if Napoli craps out of the Red Sox I will not g et on Ben for it. Frankly, I think this will be a very good move by our team. It gives us depth and flexibility at a key spot, a RH power bat that does well at Fenway, and opens up avenues for more deals. It may only be a beginning but it is a good start-----good work Cherington. A couple more signings like this and I will have to zip it tight. Good day's work Ben.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Orange Juiced]

I agree. Building a contending team with the Red Sox' resources is not like designing the space shuttle.

 

Yep. As long as they make the right decisions, and don't do anything really dumb like giving Hamilton a 6-year deal or something. Keep every FA signing at this point short, even if you spend more per year. Not only to hedge against something bad happening, but also to keep these guys tradable if you need to, AND because the Sox have a bunch of good young talent working its way up, and you're gonna need room for them in 1-3 years.

 

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Sox are actually set up PERFECTLY to do something just like this. Go get some big-time free agents on large, but short, contracts, keeping the roster flexible, and giving the prospects another year or two to mature. Once the big FA contracts are up, the kids will be ready to step in, and the new era of Sox baseball begins.

 

That trade with the Dodgers last year was HUGE for this franchise. So long as they don't blow it.

[seabeachfred]

Supposedly pretty much a done deal. It's everywhere.

 

And I'll say it again UN----it's a hell of a deal and hooray for Ben. Cherington came through this time arou nd. It's only a start but a good one and I actually think he might have crossed his Rubicon with this deal and I expect him now to do even a better job. Nice to have been wrong. I was afraid we might come home empty. Again, kuddos to Ben.

[seabeachfred]

I am pumped about this deal.

 

The fact the Sox didn't have to go 4 years on him is fantastic. And $13mm AAV is a steal for a guy who will consistently give you 30-40 HR, a .350 OBP, and a middle of the order, RH bat.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Napoli has an OPS of over 1.000 at Fenway this year, with an OPS of around .850 on the road, .925 overall.

 

We're on the same page with this Forsyth....I'm pumped by this deal too. I think it is a helluva good one and it gives us something we need badly, a good RH power hitter who is versatile---Catcher, lB, DH. Ben did a helluva job on this and made me get egg over my face. So what!!!!!! Glad to have been wrong. It is only a start but a great start. We got Mike for three years and while I'm not sure about the 40 homers, in the 30's is a distinct possibility and it offers avenues into other trades since we're up to our sweetbreads in catching. I do hope, though, that we don't lose Lavarnway. I still see him as a good power hitting catcher with a big upside. Right now, though, I want to celebrate.

 

Now how about Marcum and or Haren, Swisher? Maybe this will be a WM to remember.

[seabeachfred]

I'm just waiting for the Ben the boob haters to try and make this a bad thing lol.

 

Not from me you won't. Ben did a helluva job with this signing. Kuddos to him.

[mvp 78]

Ben's tits aren't really that bad, huh?

[seabeachfred]

Ben's tits aren't really that bad, huh?

 

Not today they're not.....and what is your take on this deal? A good one or what? And what do we do next?

[bubbakeg52]

How about this for an idea. Have Napoli catch. Have Swisher signed to play 1B. Sign Hamilton to LF.

Before

CF Ellsbury

2B Pedroia

1B Napoli

DH Ortiz

3B Middlebrooks

After

CF Ellsbury

2B Pedroia

C Napoli

LF Hamilton

1B Swisher

DH Ortiz

3B Middlebrooks

RF Gomes/Brentz

SS Ciriaco

 

Swisher can play 1b reguarly and Napoli can catch reguarly. Swisher can platoon with Gomes and have Napoli play 1b/DH when he needs rest. That's the best case scenario for the winter meetings and is not stupid by any means.

[mvp 78]

Not today they're not.....and what is your take on this deal? A good one or what? And what do we do next?

 

I'm fine with any 2-3 year deal. They won't hurt flexibility going forward.

 

They need to move Salty, sign a RF, find at least one SP.

 

Just so you know, I'm in a "play the kids" mode and don't care who they sign as long as there's open competition in ST and the kids can play when they're ready.

[bubbakeg52]

You guys are a bunch of pussies like you have money to play with.. You want short term deals. If they are giving 3 year deals out that means they have no long term plans for the prospects. They need to spend the money they saved from the deal, the historic site taxes, and the new television contract. And this time they have a top 10 pick.

[Laser Show]

You guys are a bunch of pussies like you have money to play with.. You want short term deals. If they are giving 3 year deals out that means they have no long term plans for the prospects. They need to spend the money they saved from the deal, the historic site taxes, and the new television contract. And this time they have a top 10 pick.

 

What the hell are you going on about?

 

Would you rather them give Napoli, Swisher, and Haren 8 year deals? I have no idea what your post is supposed to be about.