Red Sox Pre-Offseason Mega Thread

[jad]

"....  'He tied her up!'   'And then? ... and then? ...and then?' "  

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Speaking of RS trades, right now:  Red Sox 3 (Betts and Kike deliver) ; Braves 0 (in 5th inning).

Sale let up the 3.

[jad]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Sale let up the 3.

Yeah, he did.  But then, the only pitchers I ever got attached to were Jerry Casales and Calvin Schiraldi.  (Fandom is rarely rational.)

[NHNative]

9 minutes ago, jad said:

Yeah, he did.  But then, the only pitchers I ever got attached to were Jerry Casales and Calvin Schiraldi.  (Fandom is rarely rational.)

We like Payton and Tyron.

He chuckles.

[Hugh2]

I wonder if we can get Bo Lowrance for Jarren Duran from the Dodgers in an offseason trade. 

They might be one of the teams in the market for an outfielder, there'd be little pressure on him there in a lineup with nothing but all stars and Lowrawnce would be a big help in replenishing the system with young talent. 

[JimEd]

i always liked Clemens and Oil Can.

absolutely hated Bob Stanley. and, so far, Erik Miller seems like Stanley reincarnated.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, jad said:

Yeah, he did.  But then, the only pitchers I ever got attached to were Jerry Casales and Calvin Schiraldi.  (Fandom is rarely rational.)

Non-Pedro Division:

Danny Darwin

Rich Garces

Scott Williamson

Rich Hill

Connelly Early

[notin]

1 hour ago, JimEd said:

i always liked Clemens and Oil Can.

absolutely hated Bob Stanley. and, so far, Erik Miller seems like Stanley reincarnated.

Stanley holds pretty much every team record for relief pitching…

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Stanley holds pretty much every team record for relief pitching…

Saves and blown saves is held by Pap. 

[moonslav59]

45 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Non-Pedro Division:

Danny Darwin

Rich Garces

Scott Williamson

Rich Hill

Connelly Early

No Bill Lee?

How about Greg harris- the guy who could throw both handed, although he only faced 2 batters as a lefty. That was cool!

I really liked Beckett until I didn't.

[mvp 78]

33 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

No Bill Lee?

How about Greg harris- the guy who could throw both handed, although he only faced 2 batters as a lefty. That was cool!

I really liked Beckett until I didn't.

Bill Lee was before my time. Greg Harris didn't pitch lefty with the Red Sox, I believe. Sox only let him wear the goofy glove.

 

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Stanley holds pretty much every team record for relief pitching…

Stanley had the incredible misfortune of being intimately involved in two of the most crushing losses in team history, 8 years apart.

[Bellhorn04]

Schilling is an absolute ding-dong, but he played a big part in winning 2 rings.

[Bellhorn04]

Keith Foulke was very heroic in 2004.

[NHNative]

34 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bill Lee was before my time. Greg Harris didn't pitch lefty with the Red Sox, I believe. Sox only let him wear the goofy glove.

 

Talk about having two thumbs or two left feet.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Saves and blown saves is held by Pap. 

But appearances, relief IP, wins as a reliever -   career and single season (assuming his 14 relief wins stands up plus he had 12 more in 1982) 

heck, getting that many relief wins without setting the blown save record and vulturing them is impressive…

 

[notin]

23 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Keith Foulke was very heroic in 2004.

And then never again…

[notin]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I wonder if we can get Bo Lowrance for Jarren Duran from the Dodgers in an offseason trade. 

They might be one of the teams in the market for an outfielder, there'd be little pressure on him there in a lineup with nothing but all stars and Lowrawnce would be a big help in replenishing the system with young talent. 

The Dodgers are not normally a team to decline starting talent if they already have starters.  But not sure OF deoth is a concern.

Teoscar, Pages and Tucker all return next season.  Plus they have two BA top 25 prospects in Josue De Paula and Mike Sirota that are both ready to step in.  And not really sure how any team views Duran right now.  Sure, teams will want him.  But at what price?  

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

And then never again…

Sweeping floors at BK.

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

And then never again…

Possibly because of being overtaxed in the 2024 postseason, but who knows.

[mvp 78]

32 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Schilling is an absolute ding-dong, but he played a big part in winning 2 rings.

When I first met my wife's family back in '05, her aunt went on a loooong rant about Schilling and how much better Pedro was and how annoying Schilling was. From that point on, all I could think about was how annoying Schilling was whenever I saw him on tv. Prior to that it was just whatever. 

[notin]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sweeping floors at BK.

You know, he did make over $30million in his career as a reliever…

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

But appearances, relief IP, wins as a reliever -   career and single season (assuming his 14 relief wins stands up plus he had 12 more in 1982) 

heck, getting that many relief wins without setting the blown save record and vulturing them is impressive…

Now when I think about an important relief stat, I think about WINS AS A RELIEVER. 

[notin]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Possibly because of being overtaxed in the 2024 postseason, but who knows.

And just being over 33 and declining…

[notin]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Now when I think about an important relief stat, I think about WINS AS A RELIEVER. 

It’s still a record.  Are saves so important to you?  “Yea! He got 3 outs without giving up 3 runs!! What an accomplishment!!”

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

You know, he did make over $30million in his career as a reliever…

"What does it say?" - Liberty Biberty

[notin]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

"What does it say?" - Liberty Biberty

That he’s among the wealthiest janitors in BK history?  

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s still a record.  Are saves so important to you?  “Yea! He got 3 outs without giving up 3 runs!! What an accomplishment!!”

He also has 61 losses. Is that the record too? 

[notin]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He also has 61 losses. Is that the record too? 

Probably.  But most career win record holders also hold loss records.  Cy Young, for example…

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Probably.  But most career win record holders also hold loss records.  Cy Young, for example…

When I think of guys like Cy Young, it also reminds me of Bob Stanley. 

Yeah, the guy who holds the most IP record for relievers probably has the most wins and losses for the Sox. Makes sense. Doesn't mean he was especially valuable over that time period.