Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Will Clark Eric Byrnes I thought there was one more, but I can’t find it…..

 

 Point is there are multiple, and very few other players have ever had the amount of smoke around them suggesting selfishness in times over the  interest of the team. Eric Byrnes recently said he just wants him off the team doesn’t care what it costs. 

Clark and Byrnes are on the same podcast (Deuces Wild). Byrnes never played for the Giants. I'd take their comments with a big grain of salt. If you want to agree with them, it's your prerogative. I just don't think it's the prevailing opinion. 

[notin]

40 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Clark and Byrnes are on the same podcast (Deuces Wild). Byrnes never played for the Giants. I'd take their comments with a big grain of salt. If you want to agree with them, it's your prerogative. I just don't think it's the prevailing opinion. 

No idea if Byrnes talks to Giants personnel, but he is a Bay Area celebrity with enough of a Q factor to do Auto Shield commercials 16 years after retiring from a mediocre MLB career, plus a brief career on the FOX MLB broadcasts as an analyst.  Does he have better insights into that team than I do? Absolutely.  And he probably at least has more access despite his repeatedly acting on camera like a total deuce bag.

Dont ever make me defend Eric Byrnes again…

[Hugh2]

3 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Well, 2 out of 60 is 3%.  Like I said, there are exceptions , but most of the time, leaders whining about insubordination are bad leaders, but there are of course exceptions.  3% I would say fits as an exception.

But in this case, there is a significantly higher than 3% chance that Cora was rooting for Breslow to fail, I get that.  But I think its a leap to assume that Breslow had to approach Devers because Cora wanted to play Devers at 1b but didnt have the balls to approach Devers.  Its more lilkey to me that Breslow just approached Devers out of the blue or that Cora wasnt on board with Devers playing 1b (I thought it was dumb, the dude had a bum shoulder and hes on fire with the bat) and it should have been Coras decision.

You can dislike Cora and be happy he's gone, but this is (my opinion) painting him in an unfair light.  Comparing him to an ineffectual mcdonalds manager who is insubordinate and doenst have the balls to have a tough talk with his players.  I dont think you keep the job that long, get as respected as Cora was, get immediately offered a job by antoher team if he is what he is being made out to be.

Personally, I think the roster overperformed last year, expectations were too high this year....And I do think Cora's magic ran out.  I do think his relationship with Breslow was up and down, and maybe it was time for Cora to go just to get a fresh voice.  Cora had been here a long time through multiple regimes.  BUt I think Breslow is an absolute train wreck.  And its not just Cora who he has had issues with.  Even Theo said this guy needs a mediator in practically all of his conversations cuz he doesnt human.  To me, thats a problem.  ANd bad leadership.  When he told Whitlock and Story that they dont get to ask questions and they have to do what they are paid to do, I think thats terrible leadership.  I think insulting Bregman while you are trying to sign him is bad communication, which is bad leadership.

Im not sure of the reasons why, but Breslow interceded with Devers and made it worse.  Thats what we know.  All this well he had to because Cora is a petty , insubordinate no balls leader who couldnt even cut it as a mcdonalds manager feels inserted.

I don't think your, or my own experience is a relevant sample size.  

People are dicks, people get fired for insubordination all the time. 

Don't take this the wrong way, because this isn't meant to directly attack you but rather it's a general sense I get about everyone who blames Breslow for this.  But it feels to me like people just don't like Breslow for a whole host of reasons and therefore it's easy for them to just blame Breslow here too.  

There's plenty of reasons to justly critisize him, but I think it was Cora's job, not just as manager, but as someone who could have done it in his native language and had an easier conversation to follow. 

Cora was the one who told the media Devers was "his 3B" while openly campaigning to bring Alex Bregman into town who was his boy.  So he caused this mess.  Raffy also had some choice comments about playing the outfield that sounded very rude in the midst of his teammate sustaining a seasons ending injury.  He's not a team player.  They are all to blame, but to me the order goes 1. Devers 2. Cora 3. Breslow

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't think your, or my own experience is a relevant sample size.  

People are dicks, people get fired for insubordination all the time. 

Don't take this the wrong way, because this isn't meant to directly attack you but rather it's a general sense I get about everyone who blames Breslow for this.  But it feels to me like people just don't like Breslow for a whole host of reasons and therefore it's easy for them to just blame Breslow here too.  

There's plenty of reasons to justly critisize him, but I think it was Cora's job, not just as manager, but as someone who could have done it in his native language and had an easier conversation to follow. 

Cora was the one who told the media Devers was "his 3B" while openly campaigning to bring Alex Bregman into town who was his boy.  So he caused this mess.  Raffy also had some choice comments about playing the outfield that sounded very rude in the midst of his teammate sustaining a seasons ending injury.  He's not a team player.  They are all to blame, but to me the order goes 1. Devers 2. Cora 3. Breslow

Perfect post.

It seems the ox leadership had a consensus on the need for Devers to eventually play 1B. That does not mean everyone held the same exact views, and Cora came right out and said, we need and will have "more conversations" about the move.

IMO, and it's just an opinion: Cora was the best guy to talk to Devers and he didn't or wouldn't do it. I'm assuming he "wouldn't" because he didn't want to do it when asked to do it.

That might be the main reason he is no longer here- well that and the horrific start to 2026.

There is enough blame to go around that to me, no single person has more than 50% of it. If I had to say who had the most, it would likely be Devers, but I think it i close to...

40% Devers

35% Breslow

25% Cora

5-10% margin of error and when and if more facts come out, this could change.

Devers refused to do what was asked of him by his boss. Forget the McDonalds analogy, although it was a good one: the fact is he defied his bosses wishes.

Cora seemingly refused or avoided doing what his job demanded he do. The same language part of the issue made it seem even more important that he be the one to address the delicate nature of the ask/demand or Devers.

Brez may very well be the "prick" or "dictator" people make him out to be, but this was about what was in the best interest of the team.

I also don't care if anyone thinks it wasn't in the best interest. They don't count. The team decides what is best and usually the manager is the one that implements the plan.

 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

No idea if Byrnes talks to Giants personnel, but he is a Bay Area celebrity with enough of a Q factor to do Auto Shield commercials 16 years after retiring from a mediocre MLB career, plus a brief career on the FOX MLB broadcasts as an analyst.  Does he have better insights into that team than I do? Absolutely.  And he probably at least has more access despite his repeatedly acting on camera like a total deuce bag.

Dont ever make me defend Eric Byrnes again…

You just like to be difficult. 

[UtahSox]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Clark and Byrnes are on the same podcast (Deuces Wild). Byrnes never played for the Giants. I'd take their comments with a big grain of salt. If you want to agree with them, it's your prerogative. I just don't think it's the prevailing opinion. 

I 100% believe you are attempting to red herring the argument. The argument is he a selfish player?and is he to blame for the way things went down in Boston? and the answer to me is yes. Now if you wanna attack the messenger,  that’s fine, but the truth is where there’s smoke there’s usually a little bit of fire There was selfish behavior in Boston, WC40 comes to Boston and was asked if he would catch, he responded with “I’ll do whatever the team needs” contrast that with Devers and his conversations about 3rd base…. Then there is a narrative in San Francisco, and then the public display on pinch running. That’s two different places with public displays and well-known examples of him being difficult so yes, I do believe that Devers is in the bad.

[Bellhorn04]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Clark and Byrnes are on the same podcast (Deuces Wild). Byrnes never played for the Giants. I'd take their comments with a big grain of salt. If you want to agree with them, it's your prerogative. I just don't think it's the prevailing opinion. 

Clark and Byrnes together LOL.

For some reason this made me think of what the all-time jacka** team would look like.

[notin]

5 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Clark and Byrnes together LOL.

For some reason this made me think of what the all-time jacka** team would look like.

You’d need Aubrey Huff on there..