Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

 

Lets start talking about Mookie Betts

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I never really cared too too much that Raffy didn't want to play 1st; I thought it was the opposite of selfless and he kind of handle childlike but it didn't bother me so much.  What got me going, was when s*** hit the fan people seemed overaly critical of the Sox even asking him to play 1B.....Like why wouldn't they ask him to? so dumb. 

They should have asked him in ST. Seems like getting in the reps then would have prevented a bunch of problems. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

13 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

 

Lets start talking about Mookie Betts

Can't play 3B; too short (not "short, too"... though listed as 3 inches taller than Durbin, which is ironic since most pro ballplayers are 3 inches shorter than listed).

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

They should have asked him in ST. Seems like getting in the reps then would have prevented a bunch of problems. 

I’ll agree with that, but it  wasn’t a plan until it was. Telling him to put his glove away was pretty telling that he wasn’t even a backup at 3B.

[Hugh2]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They should have asked him in ST. Seems like getting in the reps then would have prevented a bunch of problems. 

But that's the whole point.  Casas went down. 

Are they supposed to ask every player if they'd be willing to play every position incase every play on any team gets hurt? That's my whole point.  It was logical to ask the big bat who everyone thought would end up at 1B one day to go over to 1B when your firstbaseman went down.  It's one thing for him to say no but to act like they comitted some crime against humanity by just asking him was absurd. 

[Old Red]

22 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

 

Lets start talking about Mookie Betts

Good Bowler.

[Hugh2]

Just now, Old Red said:

Good Bowler.

Excellent Bowler, I heard he can bowl a 300 easy. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

But that's the whole point.  Casas went down. 

Are they supposed to ask every player if they'd be willing to play every position incase every play on any team gets hurt? That's my whole point.  It was logical to ask the big bat who everyone thought would end up at 1B one day to go over to 1B when your firstbaseman went down.  It's one thing for him to say no but to act like they comitted some crime against humanity by just asking him was absurd. 

That's what ST is for. If you know Devers will eventually play 1B, just throw him over there. Even if he doesn't get in there in the regular season in '25, he would have at least fielded some grounders or whatever. Just having him not practice any fielding was so boneheaded. 

The idea that the Sox should have been ok to have him just DH until Casas got injured and then throw him to 1B with no prior fieldwork makes no sense to me. If he's being taken off of 3b, keep him fielding elsewhere at least parttime. 

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That's what ST is for. If you know Devers will eventually play 1B, just throw him over there. Even if he doesn't get in there in the regular season in '25, he would have at least fielded some grounders or whatever. Just having him not practice any fielding was so boneheaded. 

The idea that the Sox should have been ok to have him just DH until Casas got injured and then throw him to 1B with no prior fieldwork makes no sense to me. If he's being taken off of 3b, keep him fielding elsewhere at least parttime. 

Well said, and agree 100%. 👍

[Hugh2]

30 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That's what ST is for. If you know Devers will eventually play 1B, just throw him over there. Even if he doesn't get in there in the regular season in '25, he would have at least fielded some grounders or whatever. Just having him not practice any fielding was so boneheaded. 

The idea that the Sox should have been ok to have him just DH until Casas got injured and then throw him to 1B with no prior fieldwork makes no sense to me. If he's being taken off of 3b, keep him fielding elsewhere at least parttime. 

That's just the same argument over and over again.  So the Sox should of just left him there because you don't do that to a guy midseason....unless you get traded and the new team asks. 

Imagine dating a girl who says she won't go to 2nd base with you then she starts dating your friend and they go 2nd base on the first date.  you're going to be like....wtf? SF didn't need him taking reps at 1B in spring training and he moved over....and he didn't complain about it then. 

 

[notin]

40 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That's what ST is for. If you know Devers will eventually play 1B, just throw him over there. Even if he doesn't get in there in the regular season in '25, he would have at least fielded some grounders or whatever. Just having him not practice any fielding was so boneheaded. 

The idea that the Sox should have been ok to have him just DH until Casas got injured and then throw him to 1B with no prior fieldwork makes no sense to me. If he's being taken off of 3b, keep him fielding elsewhere at least parttime. 

They should have started that strategy years ago….

[notin]

10 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That's just the same argument over and over again.  So the Sox should of just left him there because you don't do that to a guy midseason....unless you get traded and the new team asks. 

Imagine dating a girl who says she won't go to 2nd base with you then she starts dating your friend and they go 2nd base on the first date.  you're going to be like....wtf? SF didn't need him taking reps at 1B in spring training and he moved over....and he didn't complain about it then. 

 

Know what’s even worse? When youre dating that girl and you get to first base, and you want to go further, but there’s already another man on second…

[drewski6]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I know but Casas went down.  I was asking what his plan was once Casas went down. 

The original plan was Devers-3b, Breggie-2b, Casas-1b

Devers had hurt his shoulder year prior, and they were already a little concerned about its healing, and they liked that Breggie could also play 3b and even 1b and even of, but the plan was to keep him at 2b.

Devers shoulder continued to heal alarmingly slow, and so the plan was to start the season with Devers at DH while he recovered.  Breggie slid over to 3b.  Eventually, for no reason, things got escalated and wires got crossed and mountains were made about molehills, that all happened prior to Casas injury, so 1b wasnt considered. That was jsut people here oft repeating their preferred defensive alignments.

But as soon as it kind of settled down and Devers accepted that his shoulder looked scary and its a when not an if he gets severely hurt 3b playing defense before the next offseason, and because breggie, it would make sense for devers to dh rest of season.

This is when Casas got hurt

Then they asked him to play 1b as if it would be the magical solution, but he saw himself as a 3b playing dh until his shoulder got ready.  He never lost the job because of performance. That was never communicated to him. That was just assumptions from people here who thought it made too much sense to not do.  

[drewski6]

Devers was moved from 3b to dh 100% because of his shoulder, 0% because the team thought it was the better defensive alignment.  So when they asked him to play 1b, when they had just told him hes a 3b who needs to dh while his shoulder heals....

But a lot of people here were convinced that they were going to move him to 1b because those same posters had been screaming for it for 3 years, so when the rs do it, of course, those posters are going to perceive it as validation, but it really was never the plan here for devers to be moved to 1b to better align the defense.  Even if someone pulls up an article saying they saw him as an eventual DH/1b and maybe they considered that. But thats just every contract for a position player that takes them past age 32.

[notin]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

Huh? Casas was already hurt. They didn’t know how long Casas would be out? They certainly knew he wasn’t coming back for the rest of the year, and most likely part of this year. It wasn’t a big problem before for the Red Sox, and that’s why the Red Sox tried Arroyo, and Franchy. Raffy saw that, so he was more than justified in telling bresLOW to do his job, and find a 1B. Cora felt the same way IMO.

So you are stating that the reason Devers refused to play first base was because he watched Arroyo in right field and he watched Franchy at 1b?  I’d be absolutely shocked if either of those two entered his mind.  He didn’t say “I’m not going to first because I’ve never played it before and I’m uncomfortable.”  But he did say “do they expect me to play every position?”

That sounds more like a man just sick of being moved than a man worried about learning to play 1b.  And if it was done for no reason, it becomes more understandable.  But it wasn’t.  And if the argument is “Breslow should have gotten someone better than Toro in the off-season, thats actually not realistic. Any backup 1b signing on to be a backup is going to be Toro-caliber or worse.  The ceiling in that room is Rowdy Tellez.

On the other hand, the Sox did have a serviceable DH in Yoshida coming back that needed a place to play.  At 5’4” or whatever, he wasn’t an option for 1b, although he reportedly practiced it without whining.  And getting both in made the best Sox lineup with their current roster.

I believe Devers was upset at being removed from 3b, and didn’t care why he was asked to move again.  He probably felt disrespected, and frustrated. And not because he watched Franchy struggle at 1b…

[drewski6]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

So you are stating that the reason Devers refused to play first base was because he watched Arroyo in right field and he watched Franchy at 1b?  I’d be absolutely shocked if either of those two entered his mind.  He didn’t say “I’m not going to first because I’ve never played it before and I’m uncomfortable.”  But he did say “do they expect me to play every position?”

That sounds more like a man just sick of being moved than a man worried about learning to play 1b.  And if it was done for no reason, it becomes more understandable.  But it wasn’t.  And if the argument is “Breslow should have gotten someone better than Toro in the off-season, thats actually not realistic. Any backup 1b signing on to be a backup is going to be Toro-caliber or worse.  The ceiling in that room is Rowdy Tellez.

On the other hand, the Sox did have a serviceable DH in Yoshida coming back that needed a place to play.  At 5’4” or whatever, he wasn’t an option for 1b, although he reportedly practiced it without whining.  And getting both in made the best Sox lineup with their current roster.

I believe Devers was upset at being removed from 3b, and didn’t care why he was asked to move again.  He probably felt disrespected, and frustrated. And not because he watched Franchy struggle at 1b…

well now that youve solved that maybe you can figure out what I want for dinner

[Old Red]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

So you are stating that the reason Devers refused to play first base was because he watched Arroyo in right field and he watched Franchy at 1b?  I’d be absolutely shocked if either of those two entered his mind.  He didn’t say “I’m not going to first because I’ve never played it before and I’m uncomfortable.”  But he did say “do they expect me to play every position?”

That sounds more like a man just sick of being moved than a man worried about learning to play 1b.  And if it was done for no reason, it becomes more understandable.  But it wasn’t.  And if the argument is “Breslow should have gotten someone better than Toro in the off-season, thats actually not realistic. Any backup 1b signing on to be a backup is going to be Toro-caliber or worse.  The ceiling in that room is Rowdy Tellez.

On the other hand, the Sox did have a serviceable DH in Yoshida coming back that needed a place to play.  At 5’4” or whatever, he wasn’t an option for 1b, although he reportedly practiced it without whining.  And getting both in made the best Sox lineup with their current roster.

I believe Devers was upset at being removed from 3b, and didn’t care why he was asked to move again.  He probably felt disrespected, and frustrated. And not because he watched Franchy struggle at 1b…

NNNNN. You accumulate more N everyday. How did you conjure up Raffy refused to play 1B, because he watched Arroyo play RF, and Franchy at 1B?Arroyo also tried to play 1B. That is why he told bresLOW to do his job, and go find a. regular 1B. You try to analyze, and you get it wrong every time. Masa didn’t need to play at all, and that’s why they shipped him to parts unknown with the ruse that he had to get his shoulder in shape to play the OF when he didn’t even weld a bat most of rehabbing, but was good enough to DH in ST. Once again on the WRONG side of Memphis.

[Old Red]

33 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Devers was moved from 3b to dh 100% because of his shoulder, 0% because the team thought it was the better defensive alignment.  So when they asked him to play 1b, when they had just told him hes a 3b who needs to dh while his shoulder heals....

But a lot of people here were convinced that they were going to move him to 1b because those same posters had been screaming for it for 3 years, so when the rs do it, of course, those posters are going to perceive it as validation, but it really was never the plan here for devers to be moved to 1b to better align the defense.  Even if someone pulls up an article saying they saw him as an eventual DH/1b and maybe they considered that. But thats just every contract for a position player that takes them past age 32.

You nailed it that some on here had regurgitated for 3 yrs that Raffy should be moved to 1B, because he was the worst 3B in the league, but would be serviceable at 1B, and better than Casas.

[Old Red]

46 minutes ago, notin said:

They should have started that strategy years ago….

Why would they do that when Casas while still down in Portland was deemed the 1B of the future. Come on NNN.🙈

[notin]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Why would they do that when Casas while still down in Portland was deemed the 1B of the future. Come on NNN.🙈

Because they clearly knew, according to Speier, where his future was.  And with Casas only in Portland, maybe he was not being counted on yet…

[notin]

17 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

well now that youve solved that maybe you can figure out what I want for dinner

Atlantic salmon, grilled.  Wild rice.  Green beans.  Sam Adams Light.

Next…

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Because they clearly knew, according to Speier, where his future was.  And with Casas only in Portland, maybe he was not being counted on yet…

Huh? OMG!  It was he same when Casas got to Woo, and the same when Casas got to Boston, and that’s why they tried to lock Casas long term. You can cling to Speier, but the Red Sox signed Raffy to a 3B contract. You make no sense at all.🤭

[moonslav59]

45 minutes ago, notin said:

Because they clearly knew, according to Speier, where his future was.  And with Casas only in Portland, maybe he was not being counted on yet…

They should have had Devers grab a 1Bman's glove "just in case" before Casas ever showed real MLB promise.

I was fine giving him a chance to improve at 3B, and there were some pretty long stretches where he seemed to be getting better, but he kept making too many errors. To me, too many were throwing, so I felt he'd be fine at 1B, but they obviously did not want to give it a try, for whatever reason.

Plus, Casas was maybe the worst defensive 1Bman to play for the Sox, so it's not like we risked getting worse at 1B defense by moving Casas to DH, when and if ever healthy.

After having so many issues at 1B, over the years, including a previous injury to Casas that caused us to look for a 1Bman via trade, they should never have said "Put your glove away," assuming they did say that. They should have told him we want you to DH but get ready to play 1B, if we need you. Maybe they felt he was too upset to even say that, but that does not change the fact that they should of done it.

It also does not in anyway let devers off the hook. A player got hurt, and the plan changed. It doesn't matter whether anyone here or anywhere agrees that the plan change was good for the team or not, the team decided they needed him at 1B, and he refused.

That's asking to be traded, and they obliged. Good riddance, and I'm glad we got out from under the contract, because he is showing the same issues with SFG and even has shown some decline at the plate, although we all know those numbers can change in a matter of weeks with a hitter like he is (was.)

We could sure use his bat, but we need team players. It looks like we have some, now.