Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[notin]

Just now, JoeBrady said:

As you mentioned above, those are currently pretty bad contracts.  If either of those guys were FAs, how much would you offer for them?

If I could get both for a combined commitment of $210million, I’m ok with that.  Adames’ remaining $155mill over 5 does actually seem reasonable for a 30yo SS…

[moonslav59]

On 5/15/2026 at 9:31 PM, notin said:

I’d take Adames with Chapman.  Keep Mayer at 2b. Bump Durbin to utility/weakside 2b platoon (ugh).  Demote Monasterio or DFA IKF and bring up Braiden Ward.  
 

It’s time…

Does Ward play SS or 3B?

Who will?

No Durbin, Story or Monasterio doesn't leave much.

[notin]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Does Ward play SS or 3B?

Who will?

No Durbin, Story or Monasterio doesn't leave much.

Ward plays LF or maybe just ghost runner.

Youre asking who plays SS and 3b in response to a conversation about acquiring Matt Chapman and Willie Adames?

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Ward plays LF or maybe just ghost runner.

Youre asking who plays SS and 3b in response to a conversation about acquiring Matt Chapman and Willie Adames?

Okay, jumping around from thread to thread sometimes makes it hard to follow previous posts as part of the full plan.

At this point in the season, I'm not sure trying to strike gold as "buyers" is the direction we should take.

Who do we give up to get Chapman and Adames, and if JH continues to spend as he has, those two take up next year's entire new spending budget. Now, if Yoshida or Story are part of the deal and help balance the money, maybe it can work out.

[JoeBrady]

On 5/12/2026 at 8:44 AM, Old Red said:

I don’t think there was ever any plan to move Raffy to 1B, or Casas to DH when Raffy was signed . Casas was the 1B, and Raffy was the 3B for better or worse in the eyes of Bloom, and Cora, and still in Cora’s when Bloom left IMO.

I'm not sure anyone ever comes into MLB with the idea that he was going to be a fulltime DH.  There is always an attempt to start prospects at a regular position.  There are a ton of players that come in without a glove and become proficient at their position.

[jdc69]

Devers is leading the league in doubles right now and doing well as a first baseman. 

[JoeBrady]

18 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

Devers is leading the league in doubles right now and doing well as a first baseman. 

Doubles could be a precursor to more HRs, but that's usually in younger players.  Almost every peripheral stat is down.  The 83/17 is probably the most alarming.  He's only 29, so he should revert.  But his stats so far are pretty bad.  It'll be tough for him to get back to his 3.5-4.0 bWAR days.

[notin]

11 hours ago, jdc69 said:

Devers is leading the league in doubles right now and doing well as a first baseman. 

Devers is going to hit, and Boston misses his bat today.

Maybe April and May we’re just two bad months, but if they’re any indication of his future, that contract will look horrible FAST and Boston will be better off without him.  Especially if he maintains his selfish d-bag attitude every time he gets asked to help his team…

[Hugh2]

On 6/6/2026 at 10:40 PM, jdc69 said:

Devers is leading the league in doubles right now and doing well as a first baseman. 

Yes because his home runs are way down.  His slugging% is well below his career average and he's sporting a .711 OPS right now

Heck Connor Wong has a .713 OPS

He's fine at 1B, but he's also far from a gold glove there.  The Sox should not miss Devers at all right now, maybe miss who he was when he was here but not who has become. 

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yes because his home runs are way down.  His slugging% is well below his career average and he's sporting a .711 OPS right now

Heck Connor Wong has a .713 OPS

He's fine at 1B, but he's also far from a gold glove there.  The Sox should not miss Devers at all right now, maybe miss who he was when he was here but not who has become. 

His stats are going to be down BECAUSE HE'S PLAYING IN SF. That ballpark is the reason FA's don't want to sign there. 

[Hugh2]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

His stats are going to be down BECAUSE HE'S PLAYING IN SF. That ballpark is the reason FA's don't want to sign there. 

It's a small sample size, but his stats are even worse on the road than they are in SF this year.  I don't disagree, but I do wonder if we are possibly seeing the very beginning stages of a Devers decline.  Only time will tell. 

[Old Red]

36 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yes because his home runs are way down.  His slugging% is well below his career average and he's sporting a .711 OPS right now

Heck Connor Wong has a .713 OPS

He's fine at 1B, but he's also far from a gold glove there.  The Sox should not miss Devers at all right now, maybe miss who he was when he was here but not who has become. 

Like I keep saying if he had stayed in a Red Sox uniform he not only would be putting up better numbers now, but better numbers last year including the postseason season where he could have made a difference IMO.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

It's a small sample size, but his stats are even worse on the road than they are in SF this year.  I don't disagree, but I do wonder if we are possibly seeing the very beginning stages of a Devers decline.  Only time will tell. 

His Away stats were higher earlier on this season. Considering that he went on a tear in May, I think the handwringing about Devers should probably chill out a bit. 

I know we did it about Mookie for a while too.

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Like I keep saying if he had stayed in a Red Sox uniform he not only would be putting up better numbers now, but better numbers last year including the postseason season where he could have made a difference IMO.

How do you or anyone know that for a fact?

For all we know he could be putting up much worse numbers right now. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

How do you or anyone know that for a fact?

For all we know he could be putting up much worse numbers right now. 

Fenway is a DOUBLES PARK and he's hitting a ton of doubles. But you think he'd be doing worse? He has a career OPS of 884 at Fenway. I think he'd be doing pretty good. 

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

How do you or anyone know that for a fact?

For all we know he could be putting up much worse numbers right now. 

IMO is not a fact. After a not so stellar start to the season he had settled in quite nicely as the DH. I saw, and see no reason that would change if Breslow would have left him alone. He loved playing in Boston, and it’s a whole different atmosphere in SF.

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Fenway is a DOUBLES PARK and he's hitting a ton of doubles. But you think he'd be doing worse? He has a career OPS of 884 at Fenway. I think he'd be doing pretty good. 

Speculation, I said "for all we know" because you don't know how he would be doing here.  

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Speculation, I said "for all we know" because you don't know how he would be doing here.  

If he's hitting a bunch of doubles and Fenway is a doubles park, why would we speculate on him doing worse? That makes no sense! 

[mvp 78]

My son loves to surf. He's at the beach and the waves are perfect. For all we know, he's just sitting there not surfing!

[Old Red]

21 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Speculation, I said "for all we know" because you don't know how he would be doing here.  

I’m going more on what Raffy did in the past in a Red Sox uniform and playing in Fenway. I think it’s more speculation on whatever you’re going on like wishful thinking.🤔

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’m going more on what Raffy did in the past in a Red Sox uniform and playing in Fenway. I think it’s more speculation on whatever you’re going on like wishful thinking.🤔

SUre, past is all we got.  But the past also tells us that every single baseball player eventually starts going downhill.  The wall is undefeated.  Is Devers there? probably not yet. 

[Hugh2]

32 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If he's hitting a bunch of doubles and Fenway is a doubles park, why would we speculate on him doing worse? That makes no sense! 

You made the comment that his poor stats are a result of hitting at a pitchers friendly park and all I did was point out he's actually been better at home than on the road this year.  You brought in Fenway park. 

[JoeBrady]

54 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

How do you or anyone know that for a fact?

For all we know he could be putting up much worse numbers right now. 

That's a made-up thing.  I've heard some folks say the same for Bregman.  Kind of a justification for criticizing not keeping them.  All we know is that Devers has 3 HRs and a 52/15 K/Win 152 road ABs.  That's pretty bad.

Next up will be people suggesting that he'd have hit better on the road had he stayed with the RS.

[Hugh2]

7 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

That's a made-up thing.  I've heard some folks say the same for Bregman.  Kind of a justification for criticizing not keeping them.  All we know is that Devers has 3 HRs and a 52/15 K/Win 152 road ABs.  That's pretty bad.

Next up will be people suggesting that he'd have hit better on the road had he stayed with the RS.

I don't want to say they are definitively wrong....But I think you'd agree with me that it's pure conjecture on their part. 

[JoeBrady]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If he's hitting a bunch of doubles and Fenway is a doubles park, why would we speculate on him doing worse? That makes no sense! 

Over the 3 previous seasons, Devers averaged 1 2B per home 15.125 AB.  This season he is averaging 1 per 13.25 AB.  So he is averaging more 2B in SF than in Fenway.  Want I should do HRs?  He's doing better in SF for that as well.

[JoeBrady]

10 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't want to say they are definitively wrong....But I think you'd agree with me that it's pure conjecture on their part. 

I thought we should've traded Duran for some combination of Vientos, Baty or Tong.  In retrospect, I was 100% correct.  Why?  Because all three *might've* great in Fenway Park.

And, FWIW, I've advocated for bringing him back to Fenway.  But not his salary.

[notin]

14 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't want to say they are definitively wrong....But I think you'd agree with me that it's pure conjecture on their part. 

It’s conjecture.  It’s a theory that can never be proven or disproven.  Might as well say if Devers had stayed, he’d win a Gold Glove for his defense and a Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating through potential civil war conflicts in Indonesia.  Also he’d get an Oscar nomination for something…

[Hugh2]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s conjecture.  It’s a theory that can never be proven or disproven.  Might as well say if Devers had stayed, he’d win a Gold Glove for his defense and a Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating through potential civil war conflicts in Indonesia.  Also he’d get an Oscar nomination for something…

Ok but to be fair he was a good hitter while here.....he was never a gold glover. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

SUre, past is all we got.  But the past also tells us that every single baseball player eventually starts going downhill.  The wall is undefeated.  Is Devers there? probably not yet. 

I was never a Devers Forevers guy like some were on here, but I still think not only would he be helping the Red Sox this year, but last year as well. He was missed in the postseason IMO.

[Old Red]

41 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s conjecture.  It’s a theory that can never be proven or disproven.  Might as well say if Devers had stayed, he’d win a Gold Glove for his defense and a Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating through potential civil war conflicts in Indonesia.  Also he’d get an Oscar nomination for something…

Huh?🙈🤭🤮.