Red Sox Ace Garrett Crochet Heads To Injured List With Shoulder Inflammation

[notin]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

NOman Anthony hasn’t hit much of anything, and did not live up to all his hype, and expectations so far, and now he’s hurt again.

Anthony is 22 years old and has 443 plate appearances with an OPS of .805, which translates to an OPS+ of 129.  He actually is hitting, and it doesn’t matter that you only measure hitting by RBI and don’t like OPS…

[UtahSox]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Realistically, how many major or significant players do we need, right now, to get us near top contention. If it's more than 2, is it really worth going for broke in 2026?

2 solid 750+ OPS bats will get us there. 

[Old Red]

6 hours ago, notin said:

Anthony is 22 years old and has 443 plate appearances with an OPS of .805, which translates to an OPS+ of 129.  He actually is hitting, and it doesn’t matter that you only measure hitting by RBI and don’t like OPS…

Anyone who says that they wasn’t expecting great things from little Anthony this year would be telling a tall one. Anyone who says they hadn’t expected more than 1 HR, and 4 RBI before he got hurt AGAIN would also be telling a tall one. You guys all think that OPS is the end all, be all that tells all, but it isn’t. He didn’t get all his hype, and expectations put on him, because he could draw some walks. He looked pretty good last year before he got hurt, but after going 3-4 on opening day he pretty much didn’t do much more after that before he once again got hurt. This year is all that matters right now, and yes he only just turned 22, and all the hype shouldn’t have been placed on him, but it was. He’s already been called a flop on one of the major talk shows so that’s what’s being said out there. You guys can look at it anyway you want to make you feel better, but still highly SuSpect to me at the moment. 25-109  with 1 HR, and 4 RBI with 33 K’s is what he’s done this year, and you can OPS all you want, but those numbers aren’t good especially for someone who had so much hype, and expectations put on them. I think it’s funny you added last year’s stats to try, and make him look better. It didn’t work. The spotlight is on what he’s done, or hasn’t done this year, which is a contributing factor to the Red Sox not so stellar start.

[cp176]

On 5/22/2026 at 8:56 AM, moonslav59 said:

Pre 2024, I used to say I'll take 9 last place finishes for just one ring.

I remember being involved in this conversation.  I’m one of those guys who still believes that it is all about the hunt.  It’s wonderful to be the ultimate winner of it all but for me it has always been about the chase of the overall season to just have a chance.  Sadly the last few years really have not held my interest to any great extent.  I tend to watch now only when Early and Tolle get the ball.  

[Old Red]

I’m not even going to mention how many games under 500 the hometown team is today, and they probably don’t deserve any mention atall except from the Fred’s, and Mad Storks of the world.

[mvp 78]

8 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Anthony's career bWAR per 162 games is 6.5.

A number that doesn't matter if you miss time every season.

[mvp 78]

7 hours ago, UtahSox said:

2 solid 750+ OPS bats will get us there. 

To where? .500? 

[mvp 78]

If we want guys that hit 750+, it shouldn't be Adames since he's only hit 747 since the beginning of 2022. 

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If we want guys that hit 750+, it shouldn't be Adames since he's only hit 747 since the beginning of 2022. 

86 HR, and 279 RBI the last three years. I’ll take those numbers.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

86 HR, and 279 RBI the last three years. I’ll take those numbers.

If he was only here for two more years? Sure. Not through 2031! 😬

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

If he was only here for two more years? Sure. Not through 2031! 😬

I just said I’d take the numbers, but definitely not the contract.

[mvp 78]

Trading legit prospects, which is what SF would want, for guys that were just FA's is a ridiculous way to do business. You could have had them a few offseasons ago if you wanted them! Why now? Because you're desperate? It'd be one of the dumbest decisions the Sox could ever do. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I just said I’d take the numbers, but definitely not the contract.

Give me that from a young player on a cheap contract.

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Give me that from a young player on a cheap contract.

Got to find one first, and that definitely isn’t Mayer.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Trading legit prospects, which is what SF would want, for guys that were just FA's is a ridiculous way to do business. You could have had them a few offseasons ago if you wanted them! Why now? Because you're desperate? It'd be one of the dumbest decisions the Sox could ever do. 

The Red Sox just have to ride things out for the time being, and go with what they have even if it’s the Gaspers, Sogard, and IKF of the world.

[notin]

5 hours ago, Old Red said:

Anyone who says that they wasn’t expecting great things from little Anthony this year would be telling a tall one. Anyone who says they hadn’t expected more than 1 HR, and 4 RBI before he got hurt AGAIN would also be telling a tall one. You guys all think that OPS is the end all, be all that tells all, but it isn’t. He didn’t get all his hype, and expectations put on him, because he could draw some walks. He looked pretty good last year before he got hurt, but after going 3-4 on opening day he pretty much didn’t do much more after that before he once again got hurt. This year is all that matters right now, and yes he only just turned 22, and all the hype shouldn’t have been placed on him, but it was. He’s already been called a flop on one of the major talk shows so that’s what’s being said out there. You guys can look at it anyway you want to make you feel better, but still highly SuSpect to me at the moment. 25-109  with 1 HR, and 4 RBI with 33 K’s is what he’s done this year, and you can OPS all you want, but those numbers aren’t good especially for someone who had so much hype, and expectations put on them. I think it’s funny you added last year’s stats to try, and make him look better. It didn’t work. The spotlight is on what he’s done, or hasn’t done this year, which is a contributing factor to the Red Sox not so stellar start.

No one cares if you don’t like OPS; it’s a better yardstick for a hitter than RBIs.  And talk shows calling a player a flop is no different than us doing so.  That same ilk has been calling Jordan Walker a flop for the past 3 years, and now at the ripe old age of 23, he’s looking like an MVP candidate.  And I bet not one of them has called themselves out on it.  Probably just rationalized it even further.

When a 22 year old player only has 443 career plate appearances, it’s absolutely ridiculous to label him a success or a flop  based solely on 130 PA.  Heck it’s ridiculous to do so based on all 433 PA.  Plenty of people were and still are excited for his future, but no one expected him to be a league MVP and carry this team in 2026.

And a lot of his hype did come from his ability to draw walks.  That was exactly why Cora batted him leadoff…

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Trading legit prospects, which is what SF would want, for guys that were just FA's is a ridiculous way to do business. You could have had them a few offseasons ago if you wanted them! Why now? Because you're desperate? It'd be one of the dumbest decisions the Sox could ever do. 

The original interest in Adames (and Chapman) stemmed from an idea of trading them both Story and Yoshida in a move that gave Boston two RHH infielders with some pop and saving San Francisco over $200mill or so.

The problem with trades like this is 3 years from now, we will be hoping to deal off Adames and Chapman for some other longer, worse deal some team wants out of.  Not to mention that move looks really bad for SF on the PR front. They still gotta sell tickets.

And so it goes…

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

The problem with trades like this is 3 years from now, we will be hoping to deal off Adames and Chapman for some other longer, worse deal some team wants out of.

That was my singular point. 

[UtahSox]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

If he was only here for two more years? Sure. Not through 2031! 😬

I get “Adrian beltre to Rangers” vibes from him. Since we can’t predict the future either one of us could be right.

RS need good baseball players. Not guys where beta Breslow feels like he can exceed value on the back end and win the contract. They are so obsessed with not making bad deals, and talk about it so much now RSN and talksox does the same full time. That RS end up with some Oompa Loompa playing 3b w/ a 400 ops. Literally he can’t hit the ball out of the infield. But don’t worry, Breslow got on NESN yesterday. And said “how good he is defensively, and that he doesn’t strike out a lot”

That’s the beauty of being one of the big four baseball orgs, RS can absorb some bad contracts, they can take some risks, but they try to run this team with all of our resource advantages like the Rays and Brewers. And big ole newsflash for John Henry you guys suck at it.
So run it the way we did for all those years. Just put the best baseball team on the field you can. Don’t try and win analytics. Try and win baseball games….. This whole win with pitching and defense strategy is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen…….. the margins are too small, and it’s a terrible viewing experience for everybody. We have one of the most hitter friendly ball parks. It used to be an intimidating place to come play. We now have the worst record in major league baseball at home.

Do something Beta Breslow….. There is no fancy word salad you and Kennedy can say to mask the truth this roster composition sucks…. It’s terrible. This baseball team stinks. 
 

 

[UtahSox]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Trading legit prospects, which is what SF would want, for guys that were just FA's is a ridiculous way to do business. You could have had them a few offseasons ago if you wanted them! Why now? Because you're desperate? It'd be one of the dumbest decisions the Sox could ever do. 

Not gonna have to give up prospects… maybe Yoshida or Bello. Which is my argument it’s just the remaining contract. But he is a good baseball player and we need a few of those. His stats last year were in the worst ballpark in MLB. Thats just one name, there are plenty I would love. But the reason I bring him up is the money would be the only risk. Wouldn’t have to give up talent. 

[mvp 78]

His fielding is not at Beltre's level. Adames never had a season like Beltre showed in 2004 or 2010. Unfortunately, Beltre wasted a lot of his prime in SEA. Adames may be wasting some of his career in SF, but he's not a HOF player like Beltre. I think the contract is just too much for him. If it was through '28, fine. It's just way too long for what he provides. 

Sox have shown that they are unable to absorb bad contracts (Story, Masa) and even had to trade off prospects to eat some (Hicks). 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Not gonna have to give up prospects… maybe Yoshida or Bello. Which is my argument it’s just the remaining contract. But he is a good baseball player and we need a few of those. His stats last year were in the worst ballpark in MLB. Thats just one name, there are plenty I would love. But the reason I bring him up is the money would be the only risk. Wouldn’t have to give up talent. 

That's not what the Giants will be asking for though. The Giants aren't asking for Story and Masa, the Giants want prospects. Why do they want Story and Masa? There's no benefit in that? 

[notin]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That's not what the Giants will be asking for though. The Giants aren't asking for Story and Masa, the Giants want prospects. Why do they want Story and Masa? There's no benefit in that? 

I can see 200 million benefits.  
 

Any actual prospects they get for Adames and/or Chapman straight up are not going to be anything more than future career minor leaguers.  Adames is still owed $155mill on a contract that takes him through age 35.  If they’re targeting prospects, they’re also paying him to play someplace else..

Also he isn’t the Giant the Sox need to focus on.  The best target for Boston on that team is Casey Schmitt…
 

 

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

I can see 200 million benefits.  
 

Any actual prospects they get for Adames and/or Chapman straight up are not going to be anything more than future career minor leaguers.  

I disagree. We'll have to see though. I don't think there's any chance the Sox and Giant do this deal.

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, notin said:

No one cares if you don’t like OPS; it’s a better yardstick for a hitter than RBIs.  And talk shows calling a player a flop is no different than us doing so.  That same ilk has been calling Jordan Walker a flop for the past 3 years, and now at the ripe old age of 23, he’s looking like an MVP candidate.  And I bet not one of them has called themselves out on it.  Probably just rationalized it even further.

When a 22 year old player only has 443 career plate appearances, it’s absolutely ridiculous to label him a success or a flop  based solely on 130 PA.  Heck it’s ridiculous to do so based on all 433 PA.  Plenty of people were and still are excited for his future, but no one expected him to be a league MVP and carry this team in 2026.

And a lot of his hype did come from his ability to draw walks.  That was exactly why Cora batted him leadoff…

I repeat 1 HR, and 4 RBI. Fans expected a lot more from him than that. little Anthony was called a flop for his performance so far this year, and justifiable so IMO. No one has said  he doesn’t have a bright future, but up until he got hurt 1 HR, and 4 RBI to go along with 33 K’s isn’t cutting it for plenty of fans. His dismissal showing so far is one of the many reasons the Red Sox record isn’t better than it is. In case you haven’t noticed the stats have been counting since March, and so have the games. Everyone has been scrutinized since game 1 of the season, and that’s the way it works especially in Boston, and especially with the team being 9 games under 500.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I disagree. We'll have to see though. I don't think there's any chance the Sox and Giant do this deal.

That’s just more spaghetti being thrown against the wall, and as usual nothing’s sticking.

[notin]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I disagree. We'll have to see though. I don't think there's any chance the Sox and Giant do this deal.

I don’t think so either.

In fact, it’s fairly safe to assume no one will take Adames or Chapman of San Francisco’s hands.   

The only team looking to make deals ASAP might be the Cubs, who have very little healthy SP left.  But their list of expendable bats is basically Matt Shaw, unless they feel they can move Moises Ballesteros (which I would call unlikely).

I don’t think hope the Giants make Casey Schmitt available.  He’s part of their 1b-3b-DH logjam along with Chapman, Devers and Eldridge and very likely Adames at some point…

[notin]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

That’s just more spaghetti being thrown against the wall, and as usual nothing’s sticking.

You clearly do not know how to cook spaghetti…

[notin]

6 hours ago, cp176 said:

I remember being involved in this conversation.  I’m one of those guys who still believes that it is all about the hunt.  It’s wonderful to be the ultimate winner of it all but for me it has always been about the chase of the overall season to just have a chance.  Sadly the last few years really have not held my interest to any great extent.  I tend to watch now only when Early and Tolle get the ball.  

I agree.  I’d rather be runner up for 10 straight years with no rings than 1 ring  and 9 last place finishes.  My only real participation is watching, and it’s better when it’s worth watching…

[moonslav59]

13 hours ago, UtahSox said:

2 solid 750+ OPS bats will get us there. 

We could see that from 2 of our current players- from today to October.

It's not enough.