Cora and 4 coaches sacked!

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Strange after giving Cora a three year extension, which pretty much has two years left.

Surprising that things would come this far off the rails, yes.  Surprising that JH didnt laugh at Breslow for suggesting the change, sure.  But things did come pretty far off the rails.  My question is are they punting on the season by doing this now or trying to find a hail mary catalyst for a 2026 turnaround? 

[mvp 78]

Per Julian Mack:

There were some in the org who believed Story was past his prime and no longer an everyday impact player. FO was not convinced by '25. Big questions about him being put in the two hole early on this season.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Per Julian Mack:

There were some in the org who believed Story was past his prime and no longer an everyday impact player. FO was not convinced by '25. Big questions about him being put in the two hole early on this season.

I questioned Story being in the two hole, but I was told the forum line that it was a small sample size to go on.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

They are NEVER selling the team. This ballclub and the surrounding properties makes too much money. Breslow is doing exactly what Henry wants him to do. You'll get to gripe about his moves next offseason too. 

This is the truth and some just CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Ben did what JH wanted but was cut loose, when the time came to invest more.

DD did what JH wanted, until the time came when a spending GM was not needed.

Bloom did what JH wanted- try to turn the Sox into TBR North with a little more spending allowed. He was let go, because he failed to deliver, although he did build up a decent farm and foundation for the next GM.

Brez is doing what JH wanted him to do, although I'm sure JH wanted more wins. When he is let go remains to be seen.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I questioned Story being in the two hole, but I was told the forum line that it was a small sample size to go on.

I don't know who told you that. He was never a good fit there even if you give him last year's offensive numbers. Too many k's and whiffs to be good at that spot. 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I questioned Story being in the two hole, but I was told the forum line that it was a small sample size to go on.

...yet some want to give Duran a long look at the one slot, despite Anthony having a .350 OBP up first.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't know who told you that. He was never a good fit there even if you give him last year's offensive numbers. Too many k's and whiffs to be good at that spot. 

I don't recall anybody defending tory up 2nd. I do remember a guy raving about his RBI totals. 

Was it thew same guy who went years talking about letting Renfroe's 100 RBis go?

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

...yet some want to give Duran a long look at the one slot, despite Anthony having a .350 OBP up first.

Yes many want to put Duran back at leadoff everyday, and see what happens. Yes little Anthony has some walks, but I think everyone expected more than 1 HR, and four RBI with a 217 BA at this point in the season even you.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't recall anybody defending tory up 2nd. I do remember a guy raving about his RBI totals. 

Was it thew same guy who went years talking about letting Renfroe's 100 RBis go?

You were the one who brought up the sample size when I questioned Story in the two hole as a bad idea.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes many want to put Duran back at leadoff everyday, and see what happens. Yes little Anthony has some walks, but I think everyone expected more than 1 HR, and four RBI with a 217 BA at this point in the season even you.

.350 from the leadoff man is better than 2 HRs from Duran.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You were the one who brought up the sample size when I questioned Story in the two hole as a bad idea.

I doubt it, although I do claim SSS often, even if I don't like the choice made.

I often mentioned Contreras 2nd and Abreu 4th, but that messed up Cora's obsession with L-R-L-R...

[notin]

20 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't recall anybody defending tory up 2nd. I do remember a guy raving about his RBI totals. 

Was it thew same guy who went years talking about letting Renfroe's 100 RBis go?

Renfroe doesnt have 100 RBIs since that trade…

[notin]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You were the one who brought up the sample size when I questioned Story in the two hole as a bad idea.

There’s a difference between justifying a weak move based on SSS, and saying “let’s at least see how this plays out.”  

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

Renfroe doesnt have 100 RBIs since that trade…

He never had 100 RBIs before the trade either. 

[mvp 78]

If they need RBI, Hunter is a FA right now. Just go get him! C'mon BREZ you stiff! 😎

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Im not sure Henry actively wanted Cora gone, but I think Brez easily made the case that Cora had been here through multiple disappointing regimes and could be the problem and that Brez himself cant be fairly assessed unless he gets the keys in full.

He managed to buy himself some time.

I think that's spot on correct.  I'm a Cora agnostic.  I think he has some smarts, but some faults.  But the numbers say that the RS are < .500 since the start of 2022.  It doesn't require a lot to make the case that changes needed to be made.

[JoeBrady]

48 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I questioned Story being in the two hole, but I was told the forum line that it was a small sample size to go on.

He unsuitable, but the issue was more about finding the correct #2.  Contreras is the current choice, but one could argue he is more of a #3 hitter.

[Old Red]

29 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

.350 from the leadoff man is better than 2 HRs from Duran.

I know you said Duran batting leadoff was a stupid idea, but the day I posted it Merloni said the same thing on NESN that night, and Middlebrooks, and Rice brought it up on the postgame that night, so it was more than just me.

[Old Red]

30 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I doubt it, although I do claim SSS often, even if I don't like the choice made.

I often mentioned Contreras 2nd and Abreu 4th, but that messed up Cora's obsession with L-R-L-R...

You doubt it? You really want to go there?🤔

[moonslav59]

52 minutes ago, notin said:

Renfroe doesnt have 100 RBIs since that trade…

Tell that to man who is never wrong.

[sk7326]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I would have liked to see his OPS closer to 900 before promotion. 🫠

More importantly, I'd have wanted the team to be comfortable playing him against lefties when he got promoted.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I know you said Duran batting leadoff was a stupid idea, but the day I posted it Merloni said the same thing on NESN that night, and Middlebrooks, and Rice brought it up on the postgame that night, so it was more than just me.

I never said Duran batting first was a "stupid idea." 

You go on an on about me saying you "hated Cora," but why is okay for you to invent complete lies about my positions?

Why is someone agreeing with you add more weight to your position?

When I say Anthony has a .350 OBP in the one slot, I'm just offering a reason to MAYBE not make a switch. It's not saying Duran up first is "stupid." I may not think it's good idea, but the idea has some merit.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Tell that to man who is never wrong.

He doesn't need to tell me that.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

More importantly, I'd have wanted the team to be comfortable playing him against lefties when he got promoted.

I would assume the 900 OPS would have included lots of LHP action. I think he's going to learn to hit LHP while in MLB. He won't be the first. 

[moonslav59]

34 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You doubt it? You really want to go there?🤔

Yes, I doubt it.  I simply can't imagine me ever defending batting Story in a top 4 slot.

If it's anything like you saying I said Duran up first was a "stupid idea," then yes I doubt anything and everything you say about another's position.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He doesn't need to tell me that.

You didnt say letting Renfroe go was a mistake.

You aren't the only one never admitting a mistke.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I would assume the 900 OPS would have included lots of LHP action. I think he's going to learn to hit LHP while in MLB. He won't be the first. 

He's 2 for 6 vs LHPs, with his only HR.

(Talk about SSS.)

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He doesn't need to tell me that.

 

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I doubt it.  I simply can't imagine me ever defending batting Story in a top 4 slot.

If it's anything like you saying I said Duran up first was a "stupid idea," then yes I doubt anything and everything you say about another's position.

Where did I say you defended Story? Where? Once again over analyzing again. I said you brought up the sample size when I questioned the move of putting Story if the two hole, which I didn’t think was a good idea.

 

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I doubt it.  I simply can't imagine me ever defending batting Story in a top 4 slot.

If it's anything like you saying I said Duran up first was a "stupid idea," then yes I doubt anything and everything you say about another's position.

 

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I never said Duran batting first was a "stupid idea." 

You go on an on about me saying you "hated Cora," but why is okay for you to invent complete lies about my positions?

Why is someone agreeing with you add more weight to your position?

When I say Anthony has a .350 OBP in the one slot, I'm just offering a reason to MAYBE not make a switch. It's not saying Duran up first is "stupid." I may not think it's good idea, but the idea has some merit.

Having guys who played the game agreeing with my position carries more weight than you having a different opinion for sure. You always seem to be on the wrong side of Memphis, which is probably why your average is so low, and you K so much.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

 

Where did I say you defended Story? Where? Once again over analyzing again. I said you brought up the sample size when I questioned the move of putting Story if the two hole, which I didn’t think was a good idea.

If I told you Story be batting 2nd because its a SSS, that might be viewed as defending him batting 2nd..

I don't think I said it, and you claiming I did makes me doubt it even more.