Red Sox Sign 3B, 2B, SS, Isiah Kiner-Falefa

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Paredes hit .691 v LHPs, last year, but I think that was an outlier. It was only 71 PAs. He's .805 career and is entering prime, now. Shaw hit .808 vs LHPs in '24. Hoerner is career .788 v L.

The Cubs may be a better match, but Hoerner has just one year remaining and Shaw is sort of an unknown on offense.

Shaw had a horrible first half but his second half was extremely impressive.

The Cubs can afford to move Shaw because they have BA Top 100 prospect James Triantos right behind him, so they’re covered even with Nico on just one year…

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Who could be the third team that gives HOU the OF'er they need, takes our prospects or pitchers and we get Paredes?

If we were to trade Duran, now that we have IKF, I am far less interested in Paredes.  I'm curious what type of thunderous RH bats/no glove types are available.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

If we were to trade Duran, now that we have IKF, I am far less interested in Paredes.  I'm curious what type of thunderous RH bats/no glove types are available.

For 3b, Alec Bohm?  
 

Next year’s free agent class is far from dazzling…

[vegasbob]

brilliant but nuanced move by Breslow.   3 seats on the bench , in addition to Wong,   and we have a non position DH ( Masa),   so  Bres obviously is loading up with IKF to make a HUGE trade during ST  .

Don't know why all of you can't see the brilliance here.   Utility guys bring results .

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

It wasn't that long ago that the FO got hammered for not drafting pitching.

I think it's safe to say, we can start refocusing on some non pitchers, but be more balanced, going forward.

We did trade Sale for Grissom, 3 pitchers for Contreras & Tyler O'Neill for two pitchers, so we have used some pitchers to boost the everyday roster. (Most pitcher trades have been for other pitchers, and we've seen several everyday players traded for pitching, like the Crochet trade.)

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

brilliant but nuanced move by Breslow.   3 seats on the bench , in addition to Wong,   and we have a non position DH ( Masa),   so  Bres obviously is loading up with IKF to make a HUGE trade during ST  .

Don't know why all of you can't see the brilliance here.   Utility guys bring results .

If we do add someone like Paredes, Horner, Shaw, Baty or ___, thebench will look pretty nice with IKF, Wong, Casas/Masa & one from DHam/Sogard/Eaton

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

 

IMHO, this is one of the zig when they zag moves.  If other teams are pursuing HRs, 'maybe' you chase good defense at a far lower cost.

[UtahSox]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

For 3b, Alec Bohm?  
 

Next year’s free agent class is far from dazzling…

That’s why I felt like this free agency was so important. The only position where there will be surplus is 2nd base. Chisholm, Torres, Hoerner, Lowe & Lux. And of course, there will be a lot of pitching. Skubal, Peralta, Burnes, Flaherty, Gray, and Bieber.
 I think the marquee outfielders will be Dalton Varsho and Grisham (not good)…. 1b, 3b, SS, & Catcher look like slim pickings.  

 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

IMHO, this is one of the zig when they zag moves.  If other teams are pursuing HRs, 'maybe' you chase good defense at a far lower cost.

Brez is leading the league towards the new fad.

Hmmm....

[JoeBrady]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think it's safe to say, we can start refocusing on some non pitchers, but be more balanced, going forward.

I was going to edit my post to say that we can't really do that, even if we wanted to.  There might be some coin-flip guys later in the draft.  But earlier, you have to go for the best player available.  And even with that said, we are less likely to go after college OFs since they won't get playing time for the next four years.  

[moonslav59]

Just now, UtahSox said:

That’s why I felt like this free agency was so important. The only position where there will be surplus is 2nd base. Chisholm, Torres, Hoerner, Lowe & Lux. And of course, there will be a lot of pitching. Skubal, Peralta, Burnes, Flaherty, Gray, and Bieber.
 I think the marquee outfielders will be Dalton Varsho and Grisham (not good)…. 1b, 3b, SS, & Catcher look like slim pickings.  

Brandon Lowe woulda been nice. The guy hits like 1150 at Fenway, too.

I thought Polanco was affordable, but maybe he's not good enough on D for these guys.

Donovan might have been expensive, but it was prospects and not Duran or Abreu needed to get him. Yes, he's a LHB, but so is DHam.

I think Shaw or Hoerner can be acquired. I still think Paredes will be traded somewhere in the next week or two. The options are dwindling, but still there.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I was going to edit my post to say that we can't really do that, even if we wanted to.  There might be some coin-flip guys later in the draft.  But earlier, you have to go for the best player available.  And even with that said, we are less likely to go after college OFs since they won't get playing time for the next four years.  

Yes, I like the "best player available" approach, but we obviously took the "best pitcher" instead, recently, and I'm okay with sometimes doing that, but to me, it's time to balance more, while still keeping a focus on pitching.

Remember that year the Angels took like 13 pitchers with their top 13 picks?

[JoeBrady]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Brez is leading the league towards the new fad.

Hmmm....

There was a great article in FG many years back.  Certain trends take over, and at the time, it was not signing older guys.  Those guys then become fine pickups on short contracts.  We still need a RH thumper, but in a vacuum, IKF at $6M is a good deal.  IF he gets 600 ABs, he'll likely have a 2+ bWAR.

[JoeBrady]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Remember that year the Angels took like 13 pitchers with their top 13 picks?

2021.  One of the craziest things I've ever seen.  I'm a BPA kind of guy, but can bend that rule slightly.  But 20 pitchers is insane, even you had absolutely -0- pitching to start with.

The career totals of the 20 pitchers drafted (I know, it's still early) is 0.9.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

There was a great article in FG many years back.  Certain trends take over, and at the time, it was not signing older guys.  Those guys then become fine pickups on short contracts.  We still need a RH thumper, but in a vacuum, IKF at $6M is a good deal.  IF he gets 600 ABs, he'll likely have a 2+ bWAR.

I like the IFK deal, if we add a 3B/2Bman like the ones mentioned.

I'm done with DHam. He's good at 2B defense ONLY. he's a fine base-runner, but he can't get on base enough, even against RHP'ers only.  That is not worthy of a 26 man slot on a playoff team. He could start for some teams and be okay, I guess.

I like Sogard, Eaton and DHam as minor league depth, and if the rest of the 26 is fine, I'm okay with one on the bench, but two is pushing it. 

With guys like masa and Casas pushing for slots and sucking on defense, our other 3 bench slots are important. With Story and Mayer's injury histories, this need is further highlighted.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

2021.  One of the craziest things I've ever seen.  I'm a BPA kind of guy, but can bend that rule slightly.  But 20 pitchers is insane, even you had absolutely -0- pitching to start with.

The career totals of the 20 pitchers drafted (I know, it's still early) is 0.9.

Wow, it was 20. Freaking insane. You know they went into it thinking 20.

[JoeBrady]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

but we obviously took the "best pitcher" instead,

Is that true?  The only pick I liked better than Witherspoon, at that slot, was Irish, and only because he was a catcher.

[JoeBrady]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Wow, it was 20. Freaking insane. You know they went into it thinking 20.

It had to be deliberate.  Either the owner or the GM wanted to make a point, and wasted an entire draft doing so.  Even if you were 90% sure a pitcher was the right pick at a given slot, the chances of 20 straight 90% choices is still only 12%.

[notin]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I like the "best player available" approach, but we obviously took the "best pitcher" instead, recently, and I'm okay with sometimes doing that, but to me, it's time to balance more, while still keeping a focus on pitching.

Remember that year the Angels took like 13 pitchers with their top 13 picks?

MLB drafting based on position is stupid.  Do you really know what you’re going to need 2-4 years down the road?

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Those 786 runs scored last year was a little misleading. To many games of not scoring much at all.

That's every single high scoring team, even the Yanks and Dodgers. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Just spell it IKF…

You know the sickos here won't stick to that.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

I get the feeling the Cubs ask for Horner might be even higher than the Astros' for Paredes.

It's a tough market for trades right now. Using one Bres' favourite words, he is going to have to get uncomfortable. 

And Breslow hasn't been ok with what the ask has been for Paredes. That's why I think they aren't getting a deal pushed over the finish line. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

For 3b, Alec Bohm?  
 

Next year’s free agent class is far from dazzling…

Franklin Arias will be a starting All Star SS by then! 

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

MLB drafting based on position is stupid.  Do you really know what you’re going to need 2-4 years down the road?

Well, based on the almighty years of control...

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You know the sickos here won't stick to that.

I haven’t come up with anything yet.

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Is that true?  The only pick I liked better than Witherspoon, at that slot, was Irish, and only because he was a catcher.

I don't think moon is specifically calling out that one pick. Witherspoon fell in the draft so he may in fact have been best player available. 

[notin]

If it comes down to the Cubs, BTV gives fair trades as

1. Witherspoon for Hoerner

2. Tolle for Shaw

Of those two, and both are tough calls, I do Tolle for Shaw.  Shaw has much more control and much more power.  Both are excellent defensive players.

Witherspoon might have the higher ceiling, but he’s also much further away.  But with the Sox current pitching depth, I’m in no rush on Witherspoon..

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

If it comes down to the Cubs, BTV gives fair trades as

1. Witherspoon for Hoerner

2. Tolle for Shaw

Of those two, and both are tough calls, I do Tolle for Shaw.  Shaw has much more control and much more power.  Both are excellent defensive players.

Witherspoon might have the higher ceiling, but he’s also much further away.  But with the Sox current pitching depth, I’m in no rush on Witherspoon..

Pass and pass. Not a lot of untouchables for me, but I wouldn't move Witherspoon, Tolle, Early and hesitate on Phillips/Eyanson until I see what they have. Gray will be gone next year. Oviedo is already in his arb seasons. I don't believe in Bello going forward. I think the Sox need some high ceiling starters and they need to be identified internally if possible. 

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

I get the feeling the Cubs ask for Horner might be even higher than the Astros' for Paredes.

It's a tough market for trades right now. Using one Bres' favourite words, he is going to have to get uncomfortable. 

I'm certain that Flops fans will be quite satisfied as long as Breslow is "interested" in  Paredes, Shaw etc. We don't actually have to obtain any of them. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I'm certain that Flops fans will be quite satisfied as long as Breslow is "interested" in  Paredes, Shaw etc. We don't actually have to obtain any of them. 

Oh yeah, that's totally what it sounds like if you read everyone's posts.