Schwarber off market, Steven Matz is now a Ray and Edwin Diaz is a Dodger

[Deja Doh]

With Diaz leaving the Mets, and Schwarber back to the Phillies, Alonso is going to draw a bidding war with the Mets now with a bigger purse.

We need to get Alonso.  What's the holdup?

[notin]

The Mets don’t seem all that interested in Polar Bear Pete.  For the second year in a row.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/12/mets-rumors-pete-alonso-three-years.html

 

 

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

With Diaz leaving the Mets, and Schwarber back to the Phillies, Alonso is going to draw a bidding war with the Mets now with a bigger purse.

We need to get Alonso.  What's the holdup?

Teams in on Schwarber are now looking at maximizing their Alonso offers.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Teams in on Schwarber are now looking at maximizing their Alonso offers.

Who was in on Schwarber?

[drewski6]

20 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

With Diaz leaving the Mets, and Schwarber back to the Phillies, Alonso is going to draw a bidding war with the Mets now with a bigger purse.

We need to get Alonso.  What's the holdup?

Right now , process. Hes meeting with us and a few other teams. With Schwarber off the market, teams that were interested in Schwarber may jump in on him, and he wants to explore his options. Im sure he has a number that will make him sign right now.  And Im sure that number is at the high end of his range.

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Who was in on Schwarber?

Yankees, Pittsburgh, Cincy, Baltimore, Cubs, Red Sox and 2-3 dark horse teams.

[UtahSox]

27 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Yankees, Pittsburgh, Cincy, Baltimore, Cubs, Red Sox and 2-3 dark horse tea

36 minutes ago, notin said:

Who was in on Schwarber?

I read that Baltimore offered Schwarber 5 years, $150M, and honestly, now that Schwarber and Díaz are off the table for the Mets, that cuts the odds of Pete leaving the Mets in half. IMO there’s just no scenario where New York lets both Pete Alonso and Edwin Díaz walk. Mets fans would lose their minds. Pete is almost certainly a Met for life.

If I’m Boston, I’m getting the Marte trade done immediately, then opening negotiations with Bo, Bregman, and Pete. Going in I NOW fully believe Pete is probably headed back to the Mets no matter what. From there, take whichever deal gives you the best value proposition — but you must land one of those three. No exceptions.

[moonslav59]

I was thinking Matz might take $5-6M/1. Wow! $15M/2!

[mvp 78]

Does Alonso want more than 5 years? 

 

[Hitch]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Does Alonso want more than 5 years? 

 

Boras does, at least. 

[Hitch]

14 hours ago, UtahSox said:

 

If I’m Boston, I’m getting the Marte trade done immediately, then opening negotiations with Bo, Bregman, and Pete. Going in I NOW fully believe Pete is probably headed back to the Mets no matter what. From there, take whichever deal gives you the best value proposition — but you must land one of those three. No exceptions.

What ae you doing with Mayer if it is Marte and Bregman/Bo? Dealing him? 

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Boras does, at least. 

Yeah, I wonder how long he has Alonso drag out the signing. 😐

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Hitch said:

What ae you doing with Mayer if it is Marte and Bregman/Bo? Dealing him? 

Story only has two more seasons. If you send Mayer to AAA for '26, it's not a big deal. Mayer can be injury insurance for any of these 3 guys and they'll probably need it TBH.

[Hugh2]

I got a kick out of listening to WEEI last night, getting all razzed up about the Sox not signing Scwharber and not even being in on him and how awful of a look that is. 

Honestly, if the Sox aren't in on him because people like Bregman/Alonso are on their radar because they are guys who play positions they have actual holes at then I'd be more concerned. 

WIth that said, the Sox recent history the past several years (last year was ok) should worry people more about not being in on Schwarber.  But I guess they need something to talk about at night. 

[Hitch]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Story only has two more seasons. If you send Mayer to AAA for '26, it's not a big deal. Mayer can be injury insurance for any of these 3 guys and they'll probably need it TBH.

I don't think Mayer going down to AAA will go down well with Mayer or the fanbase. I'm good with him being injury cover, but if his value is really high (no idea what it is right now), it may make more sense to use that value rather than have it fall away in AAA.

[moonslav59]

35 minutes ago, Hitch said:

What ae you doing with Mayer if it is Marte and Bregman/Bo? Dealing him? 

Mayer might be part of the KMarte trade or be dealt as part of a package for a #2SP.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Does Alonso want more than 5 years? 

 

Yes , it occurred to me last night.  6 years for Alonso gets it done, and not offering it is unacceptable.

[drewski6]

54 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I got a kick out of listening to WEEI last night, getting all razzed up about the Sox not signing Scwharber and not even being in on him and how awful of a look that is. 

Honestly, if the Sox aren't in on him because people like Bregman/Alonso are on their radar because they are guys who play positions they have actual holes at then I'd be more concerned. 

WIth that said, the Sox recent history the past several years (last year was ok) should worry people more about not being in on Schwarber.  But I guess they need something to talk about at night. 

Yes, I wanted Schwarber, but I agree.  You cant pigeon hole yourself like that.  Something about too many eggs in a basket.  But here we are, and now in my opinion, we have A LOT of eggs in the alonso basket.  But its fine, just get it done.  Yes, we'll have to give a sixth year probs.  Do it!

[drewski6]

48 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I don't think Mayer going down to AAA will go down well with Mayer or the fanbase. I'm good with him being injury cover, but if his value is really high (no idea what it is right now), it may make more sense to use that value rather than have it fall away in AAA.

If Mayer goes to AAA it will be likely because he didnt hit well in spring training.  If he stays in AAA it will be because hes not hitting well in AAA (after not hitting well in spring)

I doubt it, and he would have to be really bad at AAA to stay down there.  

[Hitch]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If Mayer goes to AAA it will be likely because he didnt hit well in spring training.  If he stays in AAA it will be because hes not hitting well in AAA (after not hitting well in spring)

I doubt it, and he would have to be really bad at AAA to stay down there.  

So, then he's just a bench piece? In the outlined scenario I mentioned above? 

If that's the case, trade him now and cash in. I imagine he's worth a lot more than being a bench piece in trade talks. 

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

What ae you doing with Mayer if it is Marte and Bregman/Bo? Dealing him? 

Admittedly, I’m not as bullish on Mayer as others. Between the injury history and what we saw from him last year, I just don’t see the “future star” juice. I could absolutely be wrong — the talent is there — but I’m not convinced he becomes a true impact guy.

To actually get the Marte deal done, I assume the Diamondbacks will insist on something like Mayer + Tolle or Mayer + Early. And honestly, that tells you how bullish I am on Ketel Marte. He’s a legit difference-maker and exactly the type of player who pushes the Red Sox over the top.

[notin]

17 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Yankees, Pittsburgh, Cincy, Baltimore, Cubs, Red Sox and 2-3 dark horse teams.

Cubs? They might be but they’re not benching Michael Busch.  I suppose Alonso as their DH maybe…

[drewski6]

16 minutes ago, Hitch said:

So, then he's just a bench piece? In the outlined scenario I mentioned above? 

If that's the case, trade him now and cash in. I imagine he's worth a lot more than being a bench piece in trade talks. 

No, I may have missed some context.  To me, we need Alonso and one other bat.  You give up Mayer, and its 0 sum. I dont think hes bench, I dont think hes AAA.  If hes either , its temporary becasue hes not a finished product, he just started lifting.  Sometimes with body changes, you have to adjust.  When I started working out, I started backrimming everything, but eventually my range improved.

[Hitch]

8 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Admittedly, I’m not as bullish on Mayer as others. Between the injury history and what we saw from him last year, I just don’t see the “future star” juice. I could absolutely be wrong — the talent is there — but I’m not convinced he becomes a true impact guy.

To actually get the Marte deal done, I assume the Diamondbacks will insist on something like Mayer + Tolle or Mayer + Early. And honestly, that tells you how bullish I am on Ketel Marte. He’s a legit difference-maker and exactly the type of player who pushes the Red Sox over the top.

I don't disagree with you on Mayer. I'm not actively looking for us to trade him, and I like his defence for sure, but he has a lot of question marks and I think he was very wrongly put in the same bracket as Anthony throughout the minor leagues. Last year showed us differently. But if the industry still has him anywhere near that ceiling in terms of projection, I'd send him away and reap the rewards if we're just holding him as depth/platoon. 

I had this same conversation with Hugh a couple of days ago before he went mad talking about the weather, but as much as I would do Mayer for Marte, we would then still need a 1st or 3rd baseman, which means that likely rules out Alonso coming to us, as we have nobody for 3rd, but still have Casas/Romy for 1st. Not sure how I feel about that. 

[drewski6]

Mayers stock is up , not down, right now. But because of words , so we'll see.  The team really wants him to start working out. They think it will help his bat, arm, and durability. And he seems bought in.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

No, I may have missed some context.  To me, we need Alonso and one other bat.  You give up Mayer, and its 0 sum. I dont think hes bench, I dont think hes AAA.  If hes either , its temporary becasue hes not a finished product, he just started lifting.  Sometimes with body changes, you have to adjust.  When I started working out, I started backrimming everything, but eventually my range improved.

The context was us getting Marte over the line, then adding both Bregman and Alonso, too.

At that point, Mayer is just depth, and I think if the industry is still high on him, there's more value getting in pieces for him than keeping him as depth.

Moot, really, either way, as there's as much chance of Scarlet Johansson sliding into my DMs as there is us getting Marte, Bergman and Alonso. 

[mvp 78]

41 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If Mayer goes to AAA it will be likely because he didnt hit well in spring training.  If he stays in AAA it will be because hes not hitting well in AAA (after not hitting well in spring)

I doubt it, and he would have to be really bad at AAA to stay down there.  

ST results don't do a lot for me. Many of the games are against MiLB pitching or guys just running through the motions. He could really use a full season in AAA to work against LHP and offspeed stuff. 

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Admittedly, I’m not as bullish on Mayer as others. Between the injury history and what we saw from him last year, I just don’t see the “future star” juice. I could absolutely be wrong — the talent is there — but I’m not convinced he becomes a true impact guy.

To actually get the Marte deal done, I assume the Diamondbacks will insist on something like Mayer + Tolle or Mayer + Early. And honestly, that tells you how bullish I am on Ketel Marte. He’s a legit difference-maker and exactly the type of player who pushes the Red Sox over the top.

Future average starter is a probable outcome. I don't think he's at the Roman Anthony level or was ever projected to be that guy at any point. 

[UtahSox]

28 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I don't disagree with you on Mayer. I'm not actively looking for us to trade him, and I like his defence for sure, but he has a lot of question marks and I think he was very wrongly put in the same bracket as Anthony throughout the minor leagues. Last year showed us differently. But if the industry still has him anywhere near that ceiling in terms of projection, I'd send him away and reap the rewards if we're just holding his as depth/platoon. 

I had this same conversation with Hugh a couple of days ago before he went mad talking about the weather, but as much as I would do Mayer for Marte, we would then still need a 1st or 3rd baseman, which means that likely rules out Alonso coming to us, as we have nobody for 3rd, but still have Casas/Romy for 1st. Not sure how I feel about that. 

I actually think 1B and 3B are the easiest positions to fill, and getting Marte gives you a guaranteed middle-of-the-order bat without being held hostage by Scott Boras for the next two months. That alone shifts the entire offseason dynamic in our favor.

To me, this comes down to three real scenarios:

1. Marte gets traded elsewhere: This puts massive pressure on us to land both Bregman and another power bat. That market is extremely thin, and we’d be negotiating from desperation. Worst-case scenario for Breslow.

2. We get the Marte deal done: It will hurt — no doubt — but once it’s done, we can focus on one of the two remaining Boras hitters, and I think the most realistic is Bregman.

Then we’d have total flexibility to decide how to address 1B and SP2 without overpaying out of fear.

3. We get Marte and somehow pull off Alonso: Even if Alonso comes (which I still think is a 98% chance he stays with the Mets), you can start Romy at 3B or make a small trade for someone like Bohm, Moncada, or even Suárez. There are plenty of short-term 3B options that would work behind that kind of lineup punch.

But because Alonso is almost certainly going back to New York, the realistic path is:

Sceanario 2: Marte → Bregman → piece together 1B/SP2 however you want. And honestly, without the Marte move, I’m worried for Breslow. He’s conservative by nature, and I don’t think he can outmaneuver Boras in a thin market. We could very easily end up backed into a corner and walk away with nothing meaningful. Marte gives us control of the offseason instead of reacting to everyone else’s moves.

[harmony]

22 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Mayers stock is up , not down, right now. But because of words , so we'll see.  The team really wants him to start working out. They think it will help his bat, arm, and durability. And he seems bought in.

FanGraphs projects Marcelo Mayer with 1.8 WAR, a wRC+ of 96 and an OBP of .309 in 125 games next year after the former No. 4 overall draft picked posted 0.4 fWAR, a wRC+ of 80 and an OBP of .272 in 44 games this year.

However, Mayer homered in this poster's presence in June:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/red-sox-vs-mariners/2025/06/18/777453/final/box