Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[Kimmi]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

The history of the largest and longest deals is not very good.

The Sox history is even worse, especially if you view Nate's re-signing as not really a FA deal.

Under JH and over $70M and 3+ years

2023 Yoshida (Pretty damn bad)

2022 Story (Not good)

2018 JD Martinez (Very good)

2016 Price (Not good.)

2015 Sandoval & HRam (Both were awful)

2011 Carl Crawford (Yuck-a-doodle-doo-doo!)

2010 Lackey (Not good)

We are 1 for 7 on the L & L deals under JH.

We have repeatedly seen how badly long-term contracts work out.  Not just recently, but for as long as long-term contracts have been a thing.  That's why I am so shocked when I see player after player get such long contracts.  

[Kimmi]

This is a sincere question to anyone.

Do you really believe that Henry is greedy and cheap?

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

More than likely.

Some GM will give Breggie 4 and maybe even 5.

[Larry Cook]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

That’s the total proof? Of course it couldn’t have been the better than good starting pitching over an extended period of time from CRO MAN, Gio, and Bello that made the record what it was over that time period. We’ll never know, but I think it had more to do with the pitching than it did with RAFFY leaving, and I’ve always have thought the Red SOX would have had an even better record if RAFFY had stayed not to mention making a difference in  the PS.

Unfortunately, as you say, the point is moot.  You may believe as you choose 

 

[Larry Cook]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Some GM will give Breggie 4 and maybe even 5.

I believe the cubs have a 5 year deal on the table now!!  
 

with the Mets unloading McNeil and stern desperately trying to fix the culture in the locker room of the Mets!  The Mets should go to 6 years and sign bregman asap!! 

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I believe the cubs have a 5 year deal on the table now!!  
 

with the Mets unloading McNeil and stern desperately trying to fix the culture in the locker room of the Mets!  The Mets should go to 6 years and sign bregman asap!! 

Breggie might be why they passed on Alonso.

I think Breggie goes to TOR, if they pass on Bichette or NYM.

TOR is all in.

[harmony]

Rob Refsnyder is going to  Seattle on a one-year, $6.25 million contract with another $250,000 in incentives:

https://x.com/ChrisCotillo/status/2003217858822832466

 

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, harmony said:

Rob Refsnyder is going to  Seattle on a one-year, $6.25 million contract with another $250,000 in incentives:

https://x.com/ChrisCotillo/status/2003217858822832466

 

I had hoped we'd trade an OF'er and make room for Ref, but we do have K Campbell.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I had hoped we'd trade an OF'er and make room for Ref, but we do have K Campbell.

According to bb-ref, the Red Sox paid Rob Ref a total of $5.25 million for his four years in Boston.

HUGE MARKET Seattle just committed $6.25 million to Refsnyder for 2026.

How can a teeny college town compete with that?

[moonslav59]

Just now, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

According to bb-ref, the Red Sox paid Rob Ref a total of $5.25 million for his four years in Boston.

HUGE MARKET Seattle just committed $6.25 million to Refsnyder for 2026.

How can a teeny college town compete with that?

By paying someone else $7M?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

By paying someone else $7M?

Since they're not going to pay any free agents, they should just send the $7 mil to talksox.com, where we can all split it up so we can afford to pay increased ticket prices, and overpriced concessions, souvenirs, parking, and cable bills so we can watch them on TV. 

At least give everybody one dollar each so we can follow all the action with six-month subscriptions to the Globe...

[Larry Cook]

7 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Since they're not going to pay any free agents, they should just send the $7 mil to talksox.com, where we can all split it up so we can afford to pay increased ticket prices, and overpriced concessions, souvenirs, parking, and cable bills so we can watch them on TV. 

At least give everybody one dollar each so we can follow all the action with six-month subscriptions to the Globe...

I am going to Boston college in January on a speaking engagement and I plan on going by the Red Sox store and spending a fortune there! Should be enough for the red Sox to afford to sign a free agent 

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Since they're not going to pay any free agents, they should just send the $7 mil to talksox.com, where we can all split it up so we can afford to pay increased ticket prices, and overpriced concessions, souvenirs, parking, and cable bills so we can watch them on TV. 

At least give everybody one dollar each so we can follow all the action with six-month subscriptions to the Globe...

I think the financial limitations may not be the tax line, but rather no large and long deals.

We may have $20-26M to spend, yet.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

5 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I am going to Boston college in January on a speaking engagement and I plan on going by the Red Sox store and spending a fortune there! Should be enough for the red Sox to afford to sign a free agent 

Go green. Yellow is for cowards.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, harmony said:

Rob Refsnyder is going to  Seattle on a one-year, $6.25 million contract with another $250,000 in incentives:

https://x.com/ChrisCotillo/status/2003217858822832466

 

That is quite the pay rise! 

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

This is a sincere question to anyone.

Do you really believe that Henry is greedy and cheap?

Whether you'll get answers I don't know, but I think there are many, many people that think that.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

This is a sincere question to anyone.

Do you really believe that Henry is greedy and cheap?

No more than the average business owner is.

[Randy Red Sox]

3 hours ago, Kimmi said:

That's the thing.  Henry's budget is limited, regardless of the fact that he can spend without limit if he wanted to.  Bad long-term contracts can hurt us for years to come.  

I think that Gray could possibly perform at the #2 level.  I would still prefer another top starting pitcher  over a big bat, if we are only doing one of the two.  There's still a lot of offseason left.  We may be surprised, or not.  LOL

Gray COULD pitch like a #2 or he may pitch like he did for the NYY several years ago when he was in his prime and it wasn't pretty.

[Randy Red Sox]

51 minutes ago, Hitch said:

That is quite the pay rise! 

Way too rich for the Sox

[harmony]

1 minute ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Way too rich for the Sox

Too rich for the Seattle Mariners IMHO.

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Kimmi said:

I know it often sounds like I'm trying to save Henry's money. 

It's not, and there is -0-  doubt about it.  Money counts.  It's like someone's house.  If you  have unlimited income, then it makes no difference.  If you have a cap, sometimes you have to maker a choice.  -0- doubt about it.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Kimmi said:

That's why I am so shocked when I see player after player get such long contracts.  

Some of these GMs are desperate and will overpay for anyone.

[moonslav59]

Luke Weaver to NMY for $22M/2.

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Gray COULD pitch like a #2 or he may pitch like he did for the NYY several years ago when he was in his prime and it wasn't pretty.

He's pitched like a 1/2 in some categories and a 3/4 in others.

To me, he's fine as a #3, which makes Bello the #4, which is also much better.

I'd like a legit #2 or co-ace, but a big bat for 3B or 2B is the top priority, now.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Some of these GMs are desperate and will overpay for anyone.

When you are a team looking like one really good player away from a chance at glory, it's hard to blame a GM for a gross overpay.

 

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Kimmi said:

This is a sincere question to anyone.

Do you really believe that Henry is greedy and cheap?

1-Absolutely positive that JH is not cheap.

2-Absolutely positive that JH knows, to the penny, the marginal revenue, marginal expense.  He will weigh the chances of us making the playoffs, the WS, etc.,

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

but I think there are many, many people that think that.

But that has nothing to do with reality.  I raised the question about a week+ back about a $260M payroll.  No one commented.

[JoeBrady]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

When you are a team looking like one really good player away from a chance at glory, it's hard to blame a GM for a gross overpay.

 

I don't disagree.  But there are some GMs that'll make bad deals knowing they won't be there at the end of the contract.    Same as in real life, there is no reason to outbid those people.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I don't disagree.  But there are some GMs that'll make bad deals knowing they won't be there at the end of the contract.    Same as in real life, there is no reason to outbid those people.

I agree.

I do, however, see some deals that have been made that don't look all that bad, including Alonso's. I see his deal as 1 year too long, and maybe $31M AAV is $1-2M too high, but I could see the reasoning to match that. (I like the Contreras deal more, so I'm fine with the 2 year deal for him.)

I'd have matched the $40M/2 for Polanco, but maybe Brez can do better.

$20M/1 for Kim is an overpay, but for 1 year, I might have given $21M, but again, let's see what Brez does about 2B/3B.

$7.8M/1 for Gregory Soto looked fine.

In this light, it's hard to be pissed at Brez for missing out on these 4 deals.

[Randy Red Sox]

50 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I don't disagree.  But there are some GMs that'll make bad deals knowing they won't be there at the end of the contract.    Same as in real life, there is no reason to outbid those people.

Red Sox are the ONLY AL Team to not sign a SINGLE FA and one of only 2 in all of MLB