Red Sox (Crochet) vs Blue Jays (Scherzer): 9/24/25, 7:07pm

[Larry Cook]

Today is the best I seen crochet throw all season. What an incredible acquisition he was 

[Maxbialystock]

5 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

I would not lose sleep over Anthony in the first round next week. When he us physically ready. he will be similar to Abreu. needing a week of play to catch up.

Indications are Anthony will be lucky to make the postseason.  

Tonight was Abreu's 3d game and he looked fine to me.  Just his first game was a bust.  

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, illinoisredsox said:

Ryan was wimp that night.  El Tiant went the distance in a 15 inning loss.

 

It was 14.1 IP (4 ERs)

Tiant went 12 IP in 1973, allowing 1 ER.

In '68, he went 10 IP, 6 H, 0ER, 0BB 19Ks!

[Maxbialystock]

2 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Today is the best I seen crochet throw all season. What an incredible acquisition he was 

I'm not sure I saw that, but I do know he shut down a very good hitting team in their home ballpark. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Today is the best I seen crochet throw all season. What an incredible acquisition he was 

It's too bad Brez sucks because his failures at the deadline. It would be nice if we could celebrate a non-flop season and the GM who helped put the team together, but we all know how this season will end. Thus spoke Fredathustra.

[vegasbob]

11 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

He hasn't been good in a while. Personally, I believe he's tired, either mentally or physically or a little of both. Hopefully, tomorrow he can prove me wrong.

Watch his first inning tomorrow.  That will give a big clue as to his ability to throw strikes and be mentally tough. Although he is capable physically. IMO he is short of confidence and somewhat mentally flustered when s*** happens.

Expect the best. prepare for the worst AC.  Crochet saved the BP today

[moonslav59]

Still some games to finish tonight, but the Sox currently have the 8th best record in MLB- just 1.5 games behind a tie for 5th best with CHC, LAD & SEA.

[Maxbialystock]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yup. It's been 4 games, now. Perhaps we can yank him after 3-4 innings and have him well rested for the playoffs.

Last 4 games: 5.85 ERA and 4.65 FIP.

We need him sharp.

His ERA's in June, July, and August were 2.87,  2.79, and 2.27, so tired could be it.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

On 9/10/25 Cleveland was 9.5 games behind Detroit.

[FredLynn]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's too bad Brez sucks because his failures at the deadline. It would be nice if we could celebrate a non-flop season and the GM who helped put the team together, but we all know how this season will end. Thus spoke Fredathustra.

Correct. Breslow whiffed at the deadline. Imagine how much better the team would have been had he done his job.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

A's leading Astros 1-0 after 3.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

24 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Watch his first inning tomorrow.  That will give a big clue as to his ability to throw strikes and be mentally tough. Although he is capable physically. IMO he is short of confidence and somewhat mentally flustered when s*** happens.

Expect the best. prepare for the worst AC.  Crochet saved the BP today

Crochet has saved the overworked BP many times this season. One of the defining jobs of being an ACE.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Crochet has saved the overworked BP many times this season. One of the defining jobs of being an ACE.

Besides winning the CY Young I expect Crochet will be in the top 5 in the MVP voting.

[Maxbialystock]

11 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Watch his first inning tomorrow.  That will give a big clue as to his ability to throw strikes and be mentally tough. Although he is capable physically. IMO he is short of confidence and somewhat mentally flustered when s*** happens.

Expect the best. prepare for the worst AC.  Crochet saved the BP today

He needs to be more like Tolle who tonight suckered Kirk in to grounding out, RF to 1B.  

Bello has pitched 162 innings this year, 162 last year, and 157 the year before.  

Agree on the first inning, which is a challenge for most Sox pitchers  Heck, the Sox nailed Scherzer for 3 runs in the 1st and just 1 run in the next 4 innings.

Meanwhile, Varland looks like a reliever starting tomorrow.  

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Besides winning the CY Young I expect Crochet will be in the top 5 in the MVP voting.

I'm also expecting Chappy to be in the top 10.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

30 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I'm also expecting Chappy to be in the top 10.

IMHO, the Sox have the best starter and the best closer in MLB. If only Brez had done his job.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

If Houston doesn't make the PO's, maybe they will offer Breggy a 5 year deal.

[Maxbialystock]

15 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Correct. Breslow whiffed at the deadline. Imagine how much better the team would have been had he done his job.

Guess what.  You don't get to define his job.  My guess is that his decision not to go bold in late July was supported by JH and others.  The Sox were 59-51 on July 31. Now they are 87-71, and that's despite our best hitter Anthony being on the IL since 2 Sep, Abreu missing over a month on the IL, Bregman's slump of about a month (but looks good the past week), Yoshida struggling as DH, Rafaela's slump, etc.  

Right now, provided the hitting (by the whole lineup!) holds up, the Sox have a good rotation, bullpen, lineup, defense, and baserunning, which is exactly what we have seen at Toronto against the winningest team (right now, anyway) in the AL  Only Milwaukee and Philly have won more games than the Jays.  

Yes, absolutely, ;Breslow failed to give away the farm for a #2 starter, but guess what?  The Sox already had Tolle and especially Early hiding in Worcester and Harrison on the IL.  

There is one reason and one reason only you wanted Breslow to go bold last July.  You wanted him to fail bigtime so you could continue to gripe.  

[Maxbialystock]

41 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

A's leading Astros 1-0 after 3.

4--0 in the 6th.  

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, Nineintime said:

He will never be successful until he learns that all pitches are delivered with fastball arm speed. It’s the grip, pronation and supination of the wrist that changes trajectory and speed 

He’s a 22 year old kid who started the year in High A ball and 15 months ago was pitching for TCU.  He’ll learn or he’ll be a short term career minor leaguer.  The plus is he’s 22, he’s got time.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, illinoisredsox said:

He’s a 22 year old kid who started the year in High A ball and 15 months ago was pitching for TCU.  He’ll learn or he’ll be a short term career minor leaguer.  The plus is he’s 22, he’s got time.

Yup. He's already got the high 90's heater. Once he develops his other weapons he could definitely be a force. Both he and Early have excellent potential. It doesn't hurt to have Crochet and Bailey working with them.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

12 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

4--0 in the 6th.  

Severino pitched an excellent 6 plus innings for the A's.

[d-money]

As winning 4-0 going to the bottom of the 7th. If that score holds up and the As win all we have to do is win tomorrow and we are in. 

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

It was 14.1 IP (4 ERs)

Tiant went 12 IP in 1973, allowing 1 ER.

In '68, he went 10 IP, 6 H, 0ER, 0BB 19Ks!

4 days before (3 days rest was the norm back then), he outdualed Vida Blue in a complete game win, allowing only 1 unearned run. Darrel Johnson must have felt sorry for him after the long Angels game and gave him an extra day off.  His next start he went 10 against the A’s in another win; Diego Segui pitched the bottom of the 11th for a save.

[d-money]

The A’s have done us a solid. Now up 6-0. Gotta take care of business tomorrow. 

[FredLynn]

24 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Guess what.  You don't get to define his job.  My guess is that his decision not to go bold in late July was supported by JH and others.  The Sox were 59-51 on July 31. Now they are 87-71, and that's despite our best hitter Anthony being on the IL since 2 Sep, Abreu missing over a month on the IL, Bregman's slump of about a month (but looks good the past week), Yoshida struggling as DH, Rafaela's slump, etc.  

Right now, provided the hitting (by the whole lineup!) holds up, the Sox have a good rotation, bullpen, lineup, defense, and baserunning, which is exactly what we have seen at Toronto against the winningest team (right now, anyway) in the AL  Only Milwaukee and Philly have won more games than the Jays.  

Yes, absolutely, ;Breslow failed to give away the farm for a #2 starter, but guess what?  The Sox already had Tolle and especially Early hiding in Worcester and Harrison on the IL.  

There is one reason and one reason only you wanted Breslow to go bold last July.  You wanted him to fail bigtime so you could continue to gripe.  

Guess what Maxxy : this is a baseball forum where fans get to express their opinions about any facet of the team they want. We needed a good SP and a 1B man with power. He brought us M&Ms. He WHIFFED. He didn’t do his job. 
You’re not too bright if you think I wanted him to fail. I wanted him to provide the team with what it needed to compete for a ring. 
And I don’t really care what ypu think.

[d-money]

Didn’t know the astros play in the afternoon tomorrow. They lose we are in.  They win and all we have to do is win our game ij the evening. 

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Guess what Maxxy : this is a baseball forum where fans get to express their opinions about any facet of the team they want. We needed a good SP and a 1B man with power. He brought us M&Ms. He WHIFFED. He didn’t do his job. 
You’re not too bright if you think I wanted him to fail. I wanted him to provide the team with what it needed to compete for a ring. 
And I don’t really care what ypu think.

You're right.  All opinions, including yours, are allowed.  And my opinion, backed up by some data, is that not getting a great starter had not hurt the Sox.  I don't recall anyone agreeing we needed a great first baseman.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

You're right.  All opinions, including yours, are allowed.  And my opinion, backed up by some data, is that not getting a great starter had not hurt the Sox.  I don't recall anyone agreeing we needed a great first baseman.  

Freddy's just disappointed because it appears the Sox will make the PO's. However, if the Sox lose a PO series, he'll just continue calling them the Flops and continue to blame Brez for not obtaining a top shelf starter at the deadline. And he'll post M&M's for the 1000th time.

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

You're right.  All opinions, including yours, are allowed.  And my opinion, backed up by some data, is that not getting a great starter had not hurt the Sox.  I don't recall anyone agreeing we needed a great first baseman.  

What “data”? We’re battling for a WC spot. Had Breslow done his job instead of whiffing (remember: he even admitted he wasn’t successful making your opinion irrelevant) we might have been the favorites to win at least a pennant. So instead of getting a guy like Naylor who could have provided the team with much needed offense we ended up with a DFA’d .220 hitter. It’s generally accepted that we didn’t succeed at the TD-meaning Breslow didn’t succeed. Too bad. He missed a chance to improve what is already a good team. As you know good FLOPS teams haven’t been all that common, now have they.