Red Sox (May) vs Yankees (Rodon): 8/24/25, 7:10pm

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I live in Central NY. I respect NYC. W/O NYC this state would be Nebraska.

So true.  NYC is known world wide.  My sister lives in Buffalo, one of her daughters in Buffalo, another in Canada, a son in the Finger Lakes, and the youngest in NYC (for 30 years).  My favorite city is probably Paris over Rome, Berlin, London, Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Brussels, Istanbul, Athens, Amman, Tel-Aviv, Riyadh, Dubai, Tokyo, Seoul, Riyadh, et al.  And my second favorite city is NYC.  

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, oldtimer said:

A few thoughts:

This game was an advertisement for technology assisted strike zone calls.

Duran seemed totally overmatched at the plate. Kept his bat on  his shoulder 3 times with 2 on base and then swung at terrible pitches the next at bat.

Lowe has a major league  bat and should be in the lineup.

Buehler may help us in relief.

 

Agree on all although I think batters should have to challenge calls to get them.  

[Maxbialystock]

35 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Well they accomplished what they needed to do: win the series. Now they need to make sure they win the series in Baltimore too. I’d like to see what Fitts can do. He’s pitched some decent games.

Agree, plus I'm fine with Fitts.  "Win" means 3 of 4.  

[Maxbialystock]

The lesson from this series is that for the Sox pitching is almost everything because the Sox are lousy with RISP.   The Sox have a lot better pitching and hitting than the Orioles but collapsed against them Mon and Tues.  Now the Sox are at their ballpark for 4. This series, no less than the Yankees series, is important.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

15 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

The lesson from this series is that for the Sox pitching is almost everything because the Sox are lousy with RISP.   The Sox have a lot better pitching and hitting than the Orioles but collapsed against them Mon and Tues.  Now the Sox are at their ballpark for 4. This series, no less than the Yankees series, is important.  

Based on Sox pitching schedule I'd be happy with a split.

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

Agree on all although I think batters should have to challenge calls to get them.  

No need to waste time. The Robo Ump sends the call to the home plate umpire: Ball or Strike, and the Umps calls it out- just like does now. Nobody notices a thing, except that the calls are consistent and correct. This helps the batters and pitchers know how to do their jobs, without studying up on what tendencies each ump skews towards.

No Brainer.

[moonslav59]

7 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Based on Sox pitching schedule I'd be happy with a split.

We don't face Trevor Rogers, so let's win this series!

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, Worsley5 said:

Almost a resignation of we won 3, last game 4 is on us.

Yankees play seven with White Sox and Nationals this week.

Game 4 should have been played with same passion and intensity of Games 1 through 3.

May ?

Would not have gone past 2nd inning if I were managing. 

 

Welcome to TalkSox!

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, drjackmac said:

Duran needs to sit down. He looks like he is swatting flies with continuous strike outs.

Welcome to TalkSox!

[moonslav59]

It's good to see some new faces.

The nay-sayers have been on vacation, but we know they will be back after our next 2 game losing streak.

 

[Bellhorn04]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's good to see some new faces.

The nay-sayers have been on vacation, but we know they will be back after our next 2 game losing streak.

 

What if the new faces are nay-sayers? 😉

[moonslav59]

30 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

What if the new faces are nay-sayers? 😉

I expect one or two will be. It's fine by me.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

No need to waste time. The Robo Ump sends the call to the home plate umpire: Ball or Strike, and the Umps calls it out- just like does now. Nobody notices a thing, except that the calls are consistent and correct. This helps the batters and pitchers know how to do their jobs, without studying up on what tendencies each ump skews towards.

No Brainer.

And then we won't have to hear imbedded Yankee David Cone or none of his ESPN blowhards in the booth -- after Anthony is totally hosed on two blown calls -- say, "Got the benefit of the call" and "Wells deserves credit for making that pitch look like a strike"...

... instead of just telling the truth and saying, "That pitch was not a strike, the ump missed that one."

 

[moonslav59]

49 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And then we won't have to hear imbedded Yankee David Cone or none of his ESPN blowhards in the booth -- after Anthony is totally hosed on two blown calls -- say, "Got the benefit of the call" and "Wells deserves credit for making that pitch look like a strike"...

... instead of just telling the truth and saying, "That pitch was not a strike, the ump missed that one."

 

That's a side benefit.

[Hitch]

14 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I live in Central NY. I respect NYC. W/O NYC this state would be Nebraska.

I lived in NYC for a while. I wouldn't want to live there too long, but (and as long as you didn't bump into too many Yankee fans) I had a great time.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I lived in NYC for a while. I wouldn't want to live there too long, but (and as long as you didn't bump into too many Yankee fans) I had a great time.

Great food, beautiful women, but the city smells worse than any other city I've ever been to in my life, especially when it's warm out. The only other place I can remember its distinctive smell is when I stopped at the Great Salt Lake (combination of red tide in the Atlantic and a cow patties). 🤢

[Maxbialystock]

12 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Based on Sox pitching schedule I'd be happy with a split.

After the mystery starter tonight it's Giolito, Bello, and Crochet. 

However, you could be dead right about the split because one of those wins  at Yankee Stadium was `1-0.  The Sox scored 1 and 3 runs in 2 games, 6 and 12 in the other 2.  

Too bad Abreu and Ref won't be ready tonight.  I'm reading Thursday.  

I would be fine with Criswell or Fitts tonight.  

 

[Bellhorn04]

12 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

After the mystery starter tonight it's Giolito, Bello, and Crochet. 

However, you could be dead right about the split because one of those wins  at Yankee Stadium was `1-0.  The Sox scored 1 and 3 runs in 2 games, 6 and 12 in the other 2.  

Too bad Abreu and Ref won't be ready tonight.  I'm reading Thursday.  

I would be fine with Criswell or Fitts tonight.  

 

I think they're using Bernardino as the opener tonight with Fitts to follow.

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

After the mystery starter tonight it's Giolito, Bello, and Crochet. 

However, you could be dead right about the split because one of those wins  at Yankee Stadium was `1-0.  The Sox scored 1 and 3 runs in 2 games, 6 and 12 in the other 2.  

Too bad Abreu and Ref won't be ready tonight.  I'm reading Thursday.  

I would be fine with Criswell or Fitts tonight.  

 

Criswell in on the IL.

It's apen game or Fitts, unless they call up Harrison.

[Maxbialystock]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

No need to waste time. The Robo Ump sends the call to the home plate umpire: Ball or Strike, and the Umps calls it out- just like does now. Nobody notices a thing, except that the calls are consistent and correct. This helps the batters and pitchers know how to do their jobs, without studying up on what tendencies each ump skews towards.

No Brainer.

"No need to waste time" evokes efficiency, not the national pastime.

To remind.  No one on the playing field can see that rectangle which we ,watching from far away, now take so much for granted. My goodness does it feed our little egos to know something nobody on the field of play knows.  We alone are always right when no one else is.  

Sports and especially baseball are all about striving to make the right play,  to hit a round ball with a round bat squarely, to throw strikes that are not easy to hit, to make the right throw or catch, to gain an advantage on the basepaths--and yes, to make the right call on the field.  They are not about perfection.  

So, me, I can live with robo umps only if the hitter, catcher, or pitcher immediately challenges a call.  If the hitter challenges a strike and is wrong, he should be penalized.  Same goes for a pitcher or catcher challenging a ball.  

 

[Maxbialystock]

19 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think they're using Bernardino as the opener tonight with Fitts to follow.

Good.  I knew Bernardino would just pitch the first.  Heck, he pitched last night.  

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

So, me, I can live with robo umps only if the hitter, catcher, or pitcher immediately challenges a call.  If the hitter challenges a strike and is wrong, he should be penalized.  Same goes for a pitcher or catcher challenging a ball.  

The system they've experimented with gives both teams 2 challenges per game, I think.  There is indeed a reward/penalty thing, if you're right, you don't lose one of your allotted challenges and if you're wrong you do.

I expect this is what we'll eventually see.   

[Duran Is The Man]

15 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

"No need to waste time" evokes efficiency, not the national pastime.

To remind.  No one on the playing field can see that rectangle which we ,watching from far away, now take so much for granted. My goodness does it feed our little egos to know something nobody on the field of play knows.  We alone are always right when no one else is.  

Sports and especially baseball are all about striving to make the right play,  to hit a round ball with a round bat squarely, to throw strikes that are not easy to hit, to make the right throw or catch, to gain an advantage on the basepaths--and yes, to make the right call on the field.  They are not about perfection.  

So, me, I can live with robo umps only if the hitter, catcher, or pitcher immediately challenges a call.  If the hitter challenges a strike and is wrong, he should be penalized.  Same goes for a pitcher or catcher challenging a ball.  

 

the batter. pitcher or catcher are penalized for being wrong but you''re ok with chumps being wrong all day and NOT being penalized. LOLOLOLOL. what a horrible idea.

 

[Duran Is The Man]

why not have the freakin ABS on the scoreboard for EVERY pitch?  it's so simple, the chumpire's union will never let it happen.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Great food, beautiful women, but the city smells worse than any other city I've ever been to in my life, especially when it's warm out. The only other place I can remember its distinctive smell is when I stopped at the Great Salt Lake (combination of red tide in the Atlantic and a cow patties). 🤢

This is very true. The rubbish/furniture on the streets and horse-sized rats was an eye opener, especially moving there from a European city. Mind you, London on a hot day is no picnic on the nose, either.

I lived in NYC for the '18 WS which was fun.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Criswell in on the IL.

It's apen game or Fitts, unless they call up Harrison.

Bernardino opens followed by Fitts.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

"No need to waste time" evokes efficiency, not the national pastime.

I also said, nobody will notice any change in the game or national pastime, as the Ump will make the call just as he always has.

The difference is that the same calls on the same pitches will always be made, and nobody will ever convince me that's a bad thing.

Having the batter have to challenge a ball-strike call would be changing the pastime, slowing the game down and adding a new wrinkle to what we watch. 

It will make the UMp's job easier and stop pitchers and batters having to guess if they should change their approach based on who is behind the plate or how he's been calling the game, so far.

To me, and it's just my opinion, this is the easiest choice to make. A "no brainer."

 

 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

 

So, me, I can live with robo umps only if the hitter, catcher, or pitcher immediately challenges a call.  If the hitter challenges a strike and is wrong, he should be penalized.  Same goes for a pitcher or catcher challenging a ball.  

 

This creates a game in a game, and it's one that is repugnant, to me.

Now you've created a mockery of the national pastime, IMO.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

the batter. pitcher or catcher are penalized for being wrong but you''re ok with chumps being wrong all day and NOT being penalized. LOLOLOLOL. what a horrible idea.

I'm a 100% for Robo umps, but bastardizing the game like that would make me vote to just keep it as is over that mockery of this great game.

We have a way to get the correct call made 100% of the time. The fact that some are against that idea furthers my lack of trust in mankind.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

This is very true. The rubbish/furniture on the streets and horse-sized rats was an eye opener, especially moving there from a European city. Mind you, London on a hot day is no picnic on the nose, either.

I lived in NYC for the '18 WS which was fun.

The rat issue is a major issue. I'm sure other cities deal with them, but NYC is the king of rat city.