Orioles (Sugano) vs Red Sox (Buehler): 8/19/25, 7:10pm

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox don’t need to stick with Toro.  It’s a choice one guy keeps making…

You called it pretty early this year on the failure to move on from Toro.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You're trying to outdo yourself. 

Kinda sucks that this team so predictably crashes towards the end of the season, doesn’t it? It’s a very flawed franchise. You do realize that for all intents and purposes the season ended with yesterdays loss, right?

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Kinda sucks that this team so predictably crashes towards the end of the season, doesn’t it? It’s a very flawed franchise. You do realize that for all intents and purposes the season ended with yesterdays loss, right?

No, the season didn't end with yesterday's loss.  One loss in itself, however brutal, is just one loss.  But I will certainly admit that making the playoffs feels pretty shaky at the moment.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

No, the season didn't end with yesterday's loss.  One loss in itself, however brutal, is just one loss.  But I will certainly admit that making the playoffs feels pretty shaky at the moment.

I bet it will feel that way in the Red Sox clubhouse this weekend, too. The pitchers, hitters and coaching staff all know they failed big time this past week. 

But sometimes, all it takes to suddenly change the attitude is for a new guy like Lowe to act like he doesn't know any better, and pop up three home runs to the ridiculously short porch in the Bronx. Or maybe Anthony hits the warehouse in Baltimore. 

Not the little things, but something measurable...

[notin]

11 hours ago, iortiz said:

Campbell’s collaterals are still in effect. 

Seriously?

 

Why stop here? f***ing Isaiah Campbell not only ruined the bullpen, but is also the leading cause of fentanyl addiction, divorce and K-Pop.

I leave anything out? 

 

 

[notin]

41 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Kinda sucks that this team so predictably crashes towards the end of the season, doesn’t it? It’s a very flawed franchise. You do realize that for all intents and purposes the season ended with yesterdays loss, right?

It’s amazing they won 68 games.  Think about how flaws they are.  I mean, the hitters make a minimum of 24 outs EVERY GAME.  MINIMUM!!

Also they’re 0-58 in games in which they give up more runs than they score!!  Unacceptable! 

[notin]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You called it pretty early this year on the failure to move on from Toro.

I normally think he’d be an acceptable bench role player, but Cora seems to like relying on him.  
 

With Lowe on board, no reason to call up Password  and complicate the OF/1b/DH logjam even further.  But maybe bringing up Grissom or Sogard to replace him on the bench.  If Romy holds on to 2b, the Sox do lack any backup middle infielders…

[FredLynn]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s amazing they won 68 games.  Think about how flaws they are.  I mean, the hitters make a minimum of 24 outs EVERY GAME.  MINIMUM!!

Also they’re 0-58 in games in which they give up more runs than they score!!  Unacceptable! 

I guess you’re not getting tired of mediocrity and near annual crashes. I am. 
This team needs to be torn down, top to bottom. I don’t see any significant October baseball as long as cheapskate Henry owns the team  as long as our GM fails to provide the mid season help we need-instead giving the team M&Ms-and goes dumpster diving for players in the offseason like Buehler, Gonzalez (yes, he had his moments in the sun and is now failing), and Toro and Wong etc. 

We needed Ryan and Help at 1B and catcher. We got dregs. Again.

[notin]

54 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

No, the season didn't end with yesterday's loss.  One loss in itself, however brutal, is just one loss.  But I will certainly admit that making the playoffs feels pretty shaky at the moment.

And the plan to fix it seems simple to me.

1. Option Campbell to Worcester and replace him on the bullpen with Fitts.  Fitts gives them a solid RH power arm in that pen.  Slaten should be activated soon and the Sox can see what shape he is in.  
 

2.  DFA Toro and recall Sogard, Grissom or Hamilton.  (Preferably not Hamilton.)  Or Kristian Campbell.  2b shouldn’t go to Rafaela, especially with Wilyer sitting.  Romy is an acceptable stopgap for now. But getting Campbell back makes the most sense and giving Grissom a shot is at least a defensible plan.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I guess you’re not getting tired of mediocrity and near annual crashes. I am. 
This team needs to be torn down, top to bottom. I don’t see any significant October baseball as long as cheapskate Henry owns the team  as long as our GM fails to provide the mid season help we need-instead giving the team M&Ms-and goes dumpster diving for players in the offseason like Buehler, Gonzalez (yes, he had his moments in the sun and is now failing), and Toro and Wong etc. 

We needed Ryan and Help at 1B and catcher. We got dregs. Again.

Right.  Tear everything down and start over.  Losing 3 straight games in August is unacceptable so the obvious solution is a multi year rebuild of multiple consecutive seasons below .500.  Why settle for mediocrity when we could have perennial losers, right?  Nothing makes you appreciate winning 80-82 games more than a few years of being under 70 wins.

When was the last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20th?

[Bellhorn04]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

Seriously?

 

Why stop here? f***ing Isaiah Campbell not only ruined the bullpen, but is also the leading cause of fentanyl addiction, divorce and K-Pop.

I leave anything out? 

 

 

It is kind of funny, though...I'm a fan of black humor.

[notin]

13 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I guess you’re not getting tired of mediocrity and near annual crashes. I am. 
This team needs to be torn down, top to bottom. I don’t see any significant October baseball as long as cheapskate Henry owns the team  as long as our GM fails to provide the mid season help we need-instead giving the team M&Ms-and goes dumpster diving for players in the offseason like Buehler, Gonzalez (yes, he had his moments in the sun and is now failing), and Toro and Wong etc. 

We needed Ryan and Help at 1B and catcher. We got dregs. Again.

Also since the trade deadline, the difference between Ryan and Dustin May is Ryan has 1.1 more shutout innings. Four more outs.  
 

The deadline might not be the problem you think it was.  Especially if Lowe does anything 

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Right.  Tear everything down and start over.  Losing 3 straight games in August is unacceptable so the obvious solution is a multi year rebuild of multiple consecutive seasons below .500.  Why settle for mediocrity when we could have perennial losers, right?  Nothing makes you appreciate winning 80-82 games more than a few years of being under 70 wins.

When was the last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20th?

And sinking like a rock in August, as usual.  

Yes, tear it down. There are maybe 6-8 players I would keep: Crochet (obviously), Chapman, Bregman, Anthony, Mayer, Whitlock, maybe Story, Bello, maybe Duran...and thats about it for players now on the ML roster. How many last place or about .500 finishes are YOU willing to tolerate before you will agree that this is necessary? Tear it down from Henry down to Toro.

After this weekend in NY more people will come to realize that while technically the season hasn't ended this is called "playing out the string". Its a disgusting repetitive pattern for this loser franchise.

[FredLynn]

Just now, notin said:

Also since the trade deadline, the difference between Ryan and Dustin May is Ryan has 1.1 more shutout innings. Four more outs.  
 

The deadline might not be the problem you think it was.  Especially if Lowe does anything 

Are you seriously trying to imply that May is as good as Ryan? Really? On what planet?

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Kinda sucks that this team so predictably crashes towards the end of the season, doesn’t it? It’s a very flawed franchise. You do realize that for all intents and purposes the season ended with yesterdays loss, right?

No.

[Bellhorn04]

18 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I guess you’re not getting tired of mediocrity and near annual crashes. I am. 
This team needs to be torn down, top to bottom. I don’t see any significant October baseball as long as cheapskate Henry owns the team  as long as our GM fails to provide the mid season help we need-instead giving the team M&Ms-and goes dumpster diving for players in the offseason like Buehler, Gonzalez (yes, he had his moments in the sun and is now failing), and Toro and Wong etc. 

We needed Ryan and Help at 1B and catcher. We got dregs. Again.

Henry isn't selling the team.  If he was he wouldn't have signed off on 5 long-term extensions.

If you're waiting for Henry to go you'll be waiting until one of you dies - and if it's Henry that dies I assume his shares will go to Linda...

[notin]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Are you seriously trying to imply that May is as good as Ryan? Really? On what planet?

 That’s not what I said.

What I did say is there has been very little difference in the 3 weeks since the Sox settled on May over Ryan. Both have allowed 4 ER; Ryan in 17 IP and May in 15.2 IP.  May has been a pleasant surprise since his rocky debut.

That deadline decision has not been a problem yet.  And certainly hadn’t caused this unprecedented 3 game slide.

 

So again - last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20? I honestly don’t know, but I bet it’s been a while…

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

No.

You will by Monday morning.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, notin said:

 That’s not what I said.

What I did say is there has been berry little difference in the 3 weeks since the Sox settled on May over Ryan. Both have allowed 4 ER; Ryan in 17 IP and May in 15.2 IP.

That deadline decision has not been a problem yet.  And certainly hadn’t caused this unprecedented 3 game slide.

 

So again - last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20? I honestly don’t know, but I bet it’s been a while…

2021.

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

Right.  Tear everything down and start over.  Losing 3 straight games in August is unacceptable so the obvious solution is a multi year rebuild of multiple consecutive seasons below .500.  Why settle for mediocrity when we could have perennial losers, right?  Nothing makes you appreciate winning 80-82 games more than a few years of being under 70 wins.

When was the last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20th?

The 2018 Sox lost 3 straight in August twice.

The 2021 Sox went 12-16 in August.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Henry isn't selling the team.  If he was he wouldn't have signed off on 5 long-term extensions.

If you're waiting for Henry to go you'll be waiting until one of you dies - and if it's Henry that dies I assume his shares will go to Linda...

Does that mean if Fred passes first (and I’m not wishing for it) then his widow will come on here and bemoan every loss?

[notin]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

2021.

Boy I hope this season isnt a flop like that one was…

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

 That’s not what I said.

What I did say is there has been berry little difference in the 3 weeks since the Sox settled on May over Ryan. Both have allowed 4 ER; Ryan in 17 IP and May in 15.2 IP.

That deadline decision has not been a problem yet.  And certainly hadn’t caused this unprecedented 3 game slide.

 

So again - last time the Sox were 10 games over .500 on August 20? I honestly don’t know, but I bet it’s been a while…

Do you think that Breslow provided the team with what it needs to significantly improve and compete in October? Yes or no.

[mvp 78]

Just now, FredLynn said:

You will by Monday morning.

We'll see. The pitching matchups favored the O's. The pitching matchups this weekend favor the Sox. 

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Henry isn't selling the team.  If he was he wouldn't have signed off on 5 long-term extensions.

If you're waiting for Henry to go you'll be waiting until one of you dies - and if it's Henry that dies I assume his shares will go to Linda...

I didn't say that Henry is GOING to sell the team. I said he SHOULD sell the team. He has stated that he is not in the habit of "selling assets". But his incompetence and cheapskate tendencies mean failure and the proof is what they have done over the past several years. He is part of the problem, though not ALL of it.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Do you think that Breslow provided the team with what it needs to significantly improve and compete in October? Yes or no.

Yes.  Of course my definition of compete probably differs from yours.

But championship teams are not built in July.  At best, they’re supplemented.

I think the Sox have the players, but too many are still in Worcester…

[notin]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

I didn't say that Henry is GOING to sell the team. I said he SHOULD sell the team. He has stated that he is not in the habit of "selling assets". But his incompetence and cheapskate tendencies mean failure and the proof is what they have done over the past several years. He is part of the problem, though not ALL of it.

As unpopular as Henry is, we would be much more likely to get a cheaper owner than a more free-spending one…

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

We'll see. The pitching matchups favored the O's. The pitching matchups this weekend favor the Sox. 

"The pitching favored the Os".

They are a LAST PLACE TEAM-by a mile! If we cannot beat last place teams AT HOME when it matters that speaks volumes for how BAD we are. As of now we are tied with the Ms and Cleveland and KC are just two games behind us and gaining because they are playing better baseball. One of them will almost certainly pass us.

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I didn't say that Henry is GOING to sell the team. I said he SHOULD sell the team. 

Just following your credo and keeping it real. 😉 

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Yes.  Of course my definition of compete probably differs from yours.

But championship teams are not built in July.  At best, they’re supplemented…

Sorry. But thats laugable. We needed guys like Naylor and Ryan and we got M&Ms. Admittedly both of them are playing better than I expected, but I do not think that will continue given their track record. Expecting them and players like Gonzales, Toro, Wang, Narvaez to all play better than their career or expected numbers is not smart. Same with Rafaela. The other contenders improved. For the second year in a row we marched in place.