Marlins (Junk) vs Red Sox (Crochet): 8/17/25, 1:35pm

[FredLynn]

22 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You know nothing about the impact of last night on Chapman's arm.  You just don't understand the game.  That combined with your negativity makes you irritating.  SPLENDID SPLINTER is the farthest thing from a Pollyanna, the fact he can't take you any more says it all.

I understand the game just fine. You clearly have a problem with folks who have a different opinion than you do. 
And I didn’t call SS a “Pollyanna”. YOU used that term. 
Remember: no one can MAKE YOU FEEL irritated or any other way. How you handle external events is entirely up to you. 
Cora made a mistake today and it cost the team a win. Deal with it.

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Blame Campbell for what?

For sucking. If he did his job yesterday Chapman would have pitched today.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I understand the game just fine. You clearly have a problem with folks who have a different opinion than you do. 
And I didn’t call SS a “Pollyanna”. YOU used that term. 
Cora made a mistake today and it cost the team a win. Deal with it.

You're entitled to your opinion.  However.

Calling Cora an idiot for not using Chapman 3 days in a row is absurd even by your standards. No one agrees with you.  For some reason that fact doesn't penetrate your obtuseness. 

You've always been like this.  I was there when you were calling Varitek Varipuke and Epstein Ineptstein and more clever ones like that.  You were notorious under that old screen name and now you're getting that way again.   I guess this is what you want. 

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You're entitled to your opinion.  However.

Calling Cora an idiot for not using Chapman 3 days in a row is absurd even by your standards. No one agrees with you.  For some reason that fact doesn't penetrate your obtuseness. 

You've always been like this.  I was there when you were calling Varitek Varipuke and Epstein Ineptstein and more clever ones like that.  You were notorious under that old screen name and now you're getting that way again.   I guess this is what you want. 

What’s in the past is now history. My OPINION is that Cora made another mistake by not using Chapman, who threw all of three pitches yesterday.

You and others hold a different opinion and I respect your opinion. But I don’t agree with it. Too bad you can’t afford me the same.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

24 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You know nothing about the impact of last night on Chapman's arm.  You just don't understand the game.  That combined with your negativity makes you irritating.  SPLENDID SPLINTER is the farthest thing from a Pollyanna, the fact he can't take you any more says it all.

Being a Pollyanna in this year 2025 may seriously suggest severe brain damage.

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

How many pitches did Chapman throw last night?

A: 3

That hardly even counts. 
I hope this loss doesn’t come back to haunt us. Yes, I blame Campbell-but also the witless manager.

How many did he throw Friday night (the walkoff win)? 

He has seldom if ever been used 3 straight days this season.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

6 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Being a Pollyanna in this year 2025 may seriously suggest severe brain damage.

This has nothing to do with the Sox.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

4 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

How many did he throw Friday night (the walkoff win)? 

He has seldom if ever been used 3 straight days this season.

I believe using a closer 3 straight days ended with Goose Gossage.

[illinoisredsox]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I believe using a closer 3 straight days ended with Goose Gossage.

You might do it the last week of the season if it came to that, but not before then.

[FredLynn]

17 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

How many did he throw Friday night (the walkoff win)? 

He has seldom if ever been used 3 straight days this season.

I don’t remember him ever being used three days in a row. That doesn’t mean he should never do it. If ever there ever was the time to do it this was it. In my opinion Cora blundered not making use of him. Yes, there’s a chance he could have gotten injured but that’s a chance I take if I’m the manager. We are in a very tight race to make the playoffs and like everyone else here I’m getting tired of missing out on October baseball. You gotta use all your bullets in this situation. 
The bottom line is that we lost a game we likely would have won had Chapman come in for the ninth. Hopefully it won’t cost us the playoffs. But it’s getting late. You pull out all the stops now…..in my opinion of course.

[Nick]

Perhaps Ivy Leaguer Breslow should have done SOMETHING about strengthening the back end of our bullpen. All talk, no action Bres. Whitlock is hittable, and I don't care what anyone here says. Weissert always peters out as the season goes. 

And that's how you get 7 IP, 3 hits, 1 walk, 8K, 1ER gem from an ace and waste it. No excuse for it.

You just wait, this won't be a cakewalk to the playoffs. Guys are getting hurt left and right.

 

 

[FredLynn]

8 minutes ago, Nick said:

Perhaps Ivy Leaguer Breslow should have done SOMETHING about strengthening the back end of our bullpen. All talk, no action Bres. Whitlock is hittable, and I don't care what anyone here says. Weissert always peters out as the season goes. 

And that's how you get 7 IP, 3 hits, 1 walk, 8K, 1ER gem from an ace and waste it. No excuse for it.

You just wait, this won't be a cakewalk to the playoffs. Guys are getting hurt left and right.

 

 

Whitlocks OPSa for 2025 is a very respectable .568. He has been equally effective against RHH and LHH. He isn’t the problem. 

[vegasbob]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Blame Campbell for what?

For being a. incompetent,  unskilled thrower who gave up 3 runs in the Marlins 9th. forcing Cora to use Chapman yesterday .

This action prevented Chapman's use today to close out the 9th with the Sox leading.  Instead Weissert and Matz choked on the chicken.

But you knew all that, so why ask ?

.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Guess what I’m “bitchin and “moanin” about right now….you get three guesses and the first two don’t count 

Well, we know it's not about the Sox still being a top 10 team in MLB and Rafaela still over .725 in mid August, right?

Guess 1: Cora is an idiot for not bringing in Chapan for 3 straight games and blowing out his arm.

Guess 2: One loss in a row is a sure sign the next flop is upon us.

 

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, FredLynn said:

How many pitches did Chapman throw last night?

A: 3

That hardly even counts. 
I hope this loss doesn’t come back to haunt us. Yes, I blame Campbell-but also the witless manager.

Counting warm ups for a 37 year old? I didn't count them.

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Well, we know it's not about the Sox still being a top 10 team in MLB and Rafaela still over .725 in mid August, right?

Guess 1: Cora is an idiot for not bringing in Chapan for 3 straight games and blowing out his arm.

Guess 2: One loss in a row is a sure sign the next flop is upon us.

 

Rafaela’s OPS I believe is .731 and sinking fast. He was at .793 a month ago. I believe I wrote I thought he’d end up at .720-.740. If he can’t maintain at least .720 I’d consider him unacceptable with a bat. 
I agree with guess one without the last baseless assumption you made that he would “blow out his arm “. 
There’s no reason to believe they will flop again against the O’s. After all, we have our new ace going. 
Dustin May. 

Im bitchin and whining that Cora probably cost us this game. IMO he was an idiot.

Meanwhile it looks like we will only lose a game to the Yankmees today. The Mets are ahead of the Ms 7-1.
 

[FredLynn]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Counting warm ups for a 37 year old? I didn't count them.

3 pitches

[moonslav59]

Just now, FredLynn said:

3 pitches

Counting warm ups?

Even if just 3, no manager brings Chapman in, today. None.

[FredLynn]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Counting warm ups?

Even if just 3, no manager brings Chapman in, today. None.

You don’t know that. I admit it’s a bit “out of the box” but given the number of years this team has watched other teams play October baseball maybe it’s time to think out of the box a bit. 
I doubt we lose today if Chapman was brought in. 
Hader did it in June…of course he’s younger. Hader isn’t the only RP to have worked three days in a row this year either. So your statement that “no manager would have done it” isn’t exactly true. 

I think Chapman could have handled it.

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

You don’t know that. I admit it’s a bit “out of the box” but given the number of years this team has watched other teams play October baseball maybe it’s time to think out of the box a bit. 
I doubt we lose today if Chapman was brought in. 
Hader did it in June…of course he’s younger. Hader isn’t the only RP to have worked three days in a row this year either. So your statement that “no manager would have done it” isn’t exactly true. 

I think Chapman could have handled it.

Maybe. But calling Cora an idiot for not thinking way out of the box seems idiotic to me.

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe. But calling Cora an idiot for not thinking way out of the box seems idiotic to me.

Then let’s say it this way: I think he made a mistake, one that likely cost us the game. 
Water under the bridge now…I just hope this mistake doesn’t cost us by the end of the season 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Then let’s say it this way: I think he made a mistake, one that likely cost us the game. 
Water under the bridge now…I just hope this mistake doesn’t cost us by the end of the season 

I'm fine with thinking something no manager would do is a mistake, but callin him an idiot for doing it is a bridge too far, for me.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm fine with thinking something no manager would do is a mistake, but callin him an idiot for doing it is a bridge too far, for me.

You don’t know whether or not “no other manager would do it”. That’s your opinion and I respect the reasonable opinions of others. But it’s not a known fact. What is a known fact is that other RPs have appeared three days in a row-THIS YEAR. So it can be done and has been done. 
Time to move on . I hope this doesn’t cost us at the end of the year.

[vegasbob]

My only take on it is that you can only win the game you are currently playing, not tomorrow's or yesterday's. 

Thereby , Cora's dilemma was to see how to win today. Whitlock was the right choice for the 8th. but Whitlock is not a shutdown guy with 2 outs and 2 strikes. He frequently allows the leadoff guy to reach base. But after surrendering the 2nd run he finally bore down and ended the inning.  

Weissert gets the close opportunity  and blows . he mimics Whitlock when needing a shutdown.  But Matz was the real criminal in all this surrendering a 2run HR to a LH hitter.

But maybe the real culprits are the 1-4 hitters who sucked.  Keep in mind Abreu's HR was a fluke

 

The lineup lost this game in conjunction with the BP

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

You don’t know whether or not “no other manager would do it”. That’s your opinion and I respect the reasonable opinions of others. But it’s not a known fact. What is a known fact is that other RPs have appeared three days in a row-THIS YEAR. So it can be done and has been done. 
Time to move on . I hope this doesn’t cost us at the end of the year.

You said yourself it was "outside the box," so to me it's going overboard calling someone an idiot fot not thinking way outside the box.

[Maxbialystock]

5 hours ago, FredLynn said:

I understand the game just fine. You clearly have a problem with folks who have a different opinion than you do. 
And I didn’t call SS a “Pollyanna”. YOU used that term. 
Remember: no one can MAKE YOU FEEL irritated or any other way. How you handle external events is entirely up to you. 
Cora made a mistake today and it cost the team a win. Deal with it.

The bullpen blew it.  When the Sox win, nobody ever says, "wow, that was great managing by Cora." 

Crochet went 7 IP and gave up 1 run.  Three different freaking relievers gave up 5 runs in 2 innings.  Between them Whitlock and Weissert have 33 holds and 4 saves and you claim Cora sent in a bunch of bums?  

Give me a break.  

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You said yourself it was "outside the box," so to me it's going overboard calling someone an idiot fot not thinking way outside the box.

Okay

It was overboard. But I still think it was a mistake. And I think that’s a reasonable opinion to have especially given the final result. 
Im done with this. Time to move on to the next game and other topics like Rafaela sinking like a rock 😉

[notin]

11 hours ago, vegasbob said:

For being a. incompetent,  unskilled thrower who gave up 3 runs in the Marlins 9th. forcing Cora to use Chapman yesterday .

This action prevented Chapman's use today to close out the 9th with the Sox leading.  Instead Weissert and Matz choked on the chicken.

But you knew all that, so why ask ?

.

Because it’s beyond silly for blaming Campbell for Whitlock, Weissert and Matz not doing their jobs just so folks can create a hypothetical scenario where Chapman pitches, which, as good as he’s been, still isn’t a guarantee…

[Bellhorn04]

27 minutes ago, notin said:

Because it’s beyond silly for blaming Campbell for Whitlock, Weissert and Matz not doing their jobs just so folks can create a hypothetical scenario where Chapman pitches, which, as good as he’s been, still isn’t a guarantee…

When you're as bad as Campbell has been, you're gonna become a whipping boy.  Just ask Toro.

[mvp 78]

I understand the criticism of Campbell for today's game, but I think Weissert needs to be able to lock it down. Sox need to be able to have more than one high leverage arm in the bullpen. If it's only Chapman back there, they are really screwed come playoff time.