Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[moonslav59]

While it's not the top AL teams trading players to the NL, the 2025 AL has gotten worse, as a whole, via trades so far. (CLE & TBR looked like contenders but are selling.)

To NL: Mason, Jh Duran, Littell & Sears

To AL: E Suarez

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Your judgment, but certainly not mine.  Right now the Sox defense is an asset, especially in the outfield, at catcher, at 3b, at SS, and even at 2b when Hamilton or Rafaela is there.  1b is the only problem, and even there I'm not sure it is.  Seriously.  When I watch the games, I regularly see our first basemen make good plays, and all are better than Casas.  Yesterday Gonzalez started a nifty double play when the fielded a grounder, ran to first, and then made a perfect throw to Story, who tagged the runner out.  

I think you under-rate Story at SS.  To me he has been reliable on throws to 1b when going to his right,on charging in on slow rollers,  going back on popups, and turning double plays.   Cora has started Story in 106 games, 2d most on the team.  And he did that despite Story's struggles at the plate which hopefully are over.   Thus does Story leads MLB shortstops in total chances, assists, and double plays.  He is 2d in putouts.  

Story ranks high in chances because Sox pitching is 4th in GB rate and there are only 6 SS's that have played more G than Story. 

For a better defense, Story should be at 2b and Breslow should find a long term above average SS. (Mayer or other)

The defense has been absolutely CARRIED by Rafaela and Narvaez's defense at CF and C. Playing Rafaela out of position is egregious to me. 

 

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We have compelling needs- just less than most teams. It took years to build a balanced and deep roster, and even with 5 of our better SP'ers on the IL, we are still 9th in fWAR pitching and 4th in ERA-.

We need a solid SP'er- maybe another decent one.

We need a LHB 1Bman to replace Toro (not costly, IMO.)

We could use one more pen arm, but with Matz and players coming of the IL, we could be fine, there.

While the need at 1B is significant, getting a platoon 1Bman is not something that compares to other teams' greater needs.

To me, if we get a solid SP'er, hopefully not an expensive rental (not on $ but on return cost,) I'd be thrilled.

Joe Ryan, Bubic or M Keller would be very nice. Is Sonny Gray on the IL? (How about Yoshida plus cash and prospects for him?)

Others might include M Gore or Rasmussen and rental M Kelly

I believe Bubic is out for the year. 

[Bellhorn04]

26 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

I'm thinking that Breslow said, what the Sox need is another version of myself from 2013 and picked up  LH'er Matz.     Not a splash move but Matz could be a 2-3 inning opener , or a reliever taking some pressure off Bernardino.  

Will be surprised if Craig  does anything more significant .   The reality is that Breslow likes this roster and JH likes its cost.     So status quo reigns in the Nation.

The Fat Lady is not in the on-deck circle yet.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I believe Bubic is out for the year. 

Perfect fit for the Sox!

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I've never heard of this "disadvantage" that you're talking about. I've seen enough Toro and Romy to know that they are defensively challenged. 1b, 2b, SS consistently leave me unimpressed. LF with Duran has been pretty rough as well. 

While the Sox rate high in DRS, they are middling in OAA and 2nd worst in MLB in errors committed. 

Some defensive metrics do trend towards being cumulative.  You cannot save as many defensive runs if you’re not on the field.

UZR also seems to favor players who play multiple positions…

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Story ranks high in chances because Sox pitching is 4th in GB rate and there are only 6 SS's that have played more G than Story. 

For a better defense, Story should be at 2b and Breslow should find a long term above average SS. (Mayer or other)

The defense has been absolutely CARRIED by Rafaela and Narvaez's defense at CF and C. Playing Rafaela out of position is egregious to me. 

 

100%.

I hope our 2026 alignment looks like this:

C Narvaez

1B _____ (Casas) & Romy (Campbell)

2B Story

SS Mayer

3B Bregman

LF Duran (Jh Garcia)

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu & Refsnyder (returns for 1 more year)

DH Anthony (Campbell/Jh Garcia)

I am near certain we trade an OF'er this winter, if not at this deadline. Anthony OF and Campbel, Yoshida, Ref or Romy at DH. Jh Garcia as the 4th OF'er.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Some defensive metrics do trend towards being cumulative.  You cannot save as many defensive runs if you’re not on the field.

UZR also seems to favor players who play multiple positions…

Right, but if a part timer has -2 DRS at several positions, it's not necessarily adversely affecting the guy. He'd probably just be a -7 DRS guy overall anyway. 

[notin]

48 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We have compelling needs- just less than most teams. It took years to build a balanced and deep roster, and even with 5 of our better SP'ers on the IL, we are still 9th in fWAR pitching and 4th in ERA-.

We need a solid SP'er- maybe another decent one.

We need a LHB 1Bman to replace Toro (not costly, IMO.)

We could use one more pen arm, but with Matz and players coming of the IL, we could be fine, there.

While the need at 1B is significant, getting a platoon 1Bman is not something that compares to other teams' greater needs.

To me, if we get a solid SP'er, hopefully not an expensive rental (not on $ but on return cost,) I'd be thrilled.

Joe Ryan, Bubic or M Keller would be very nice. Is Sonny Gray on the IL? (How about Yoshida plus cash and prospects for him?)

Others might include M Gore or Rasmussen and rental M Kelly

Bubic is done for the year…

[notin]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Right, but if a part timer has -2 DRS at several positions, it's not necessarily adversely affecting the guy. He'd probably just be a -7 DRS guy overall anyway. 

True.  The multi-position guys can see their UZR artificially inflated if they’re any good defensively.  I call this Zobristing

[moonslav59]

Here are the 2025 DRS numbers for the Sox:

+16 Rafaela CF (DO NOT PLAY HIM AT 2B!)

+14 Narvaez C (Thanks BREZ!)

+10 Abreu RF (Still GG caliber in RF)

+6 Duran LF (Not bad for a Fenway LF'er)

+6 DHam 2B (Too bad he can't get on base enough to steal 75 bases.)

+5 Anthony RF (in 1/4th the innings as Abreu!)

+4 Bregman (missed some time)

+2 Refsnyder RF (Helped by Fenway)

+2 Wong (Bello's binky)

+2 Romy 2B (just 254 innings)

+1 Story (maybe at 2B in 2026)

Others with 90+ innings:

0 Mayer at 3B, Toro at 3B and Sogard at 1B

-2 Duran in CF (One poster swears he belongs in CF)

-4 Casas at 1B (Should outs Yoshida as our next DH)

-14 KC at 2B (Should be given every chance to win the 1B job or be sent to the OF or DH.)

We really have just 2 bad fielders and one is out for the year, while the other may never play 2B for us, again.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Holy s***, mason Miller just got sent to San Diego in a package involving Leo De Vries

That should plug the final leak in that Padres bullpen. Opposing teams now need to do all their scoring in the first 5 innings…

[mvp 78]

30 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The Fat Lady is not in the on-deck circle yet.

That's not until 5pm or so. 

[dgalehouse]

Looks like the contending teams are making improving their bullpens a priority. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

Looks like the contending teams are making improving their bullpens a priority. 

I guess that's why we only grabbed a "beer leaguer." 😢

[moonslav59]

K Finnegan to DET

[Hitch]

46 minutes ago, notin said:

That should plug the final leak in that Padres bullpen. Opposing teams now need to do all their scoring in the first 5 innings…

First 3/4 innings with that bullpen... 😐 

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

While it's not the top AL teams trading players to the NL, the 2025 AL has gotten worse, as a whole, via trades so far. (CLE & TBR looked like contenders but are selling.)

To NL: Mason, Jh Duran, Littell & Sears

To AL: E Suarez

CLE and TBR should be selling where they are. Mariners getting stronger is not good news for us. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hitch said:

First 3/4 innings with that bullpen... 😐 

Are they still looking to deal Suarez? Pads think he's opting out this year. 

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Hitch said:

CLE and TBR should be selling where they are. Mariners getting stronger is not good news for us. 

M's, DET & TOR getting better.

NYY, HOU, TEX & BOS doing about the same, so far.

To become a top 2-3 AL contender, we need to add more than what DET & TOT have already added, and maybe SEA, too. We need to add more than HOU & NYY add, as well.

A very solid SP'er and LHB at 1B should make us close to top 2-3, IMO, assuming these other teams don't make major improvements by 6pm.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Are they still looking to deal Suarez? Pads think he's opting out this year. 

Olney says they’re still having talks about Suarez and Cease…

[mvp 78]

 

[Nick]

My suggestion for Bres and rest of analyst is to just SHUT THE F UP. Why say anything at all if you can't deliver?

There's a big difference between saying we'll be buyers versus what you really mean is we will buy if the price is CHEAP AND we snickered the trading partner.

God I hate it when they open their mouth. 

Just go open your wallet for another injured player that will help us next year.

 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Olney says they’re still having talks about Suarez and Cease…

Heyman says probably not. Nightengale says definitely not. People all over the map on this one. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

My suggestion for Bres and rest of analysists is to just SHUT THE F UP. Why say anything at all if you can't deliver?

There's a big difference between saying we'll be buyers when what you really mean is we will buy if the price is CHEAP AND we snickered the trading partner.

 

That was one of my complaints when they were yapping after the Devers trade. Why bother state that you're going to be BUYERS at the deadline if you can't guarantee it. Don't put those expectations out there! The same crap happened last year with Tom Werner in the offseason. 

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

We can scratch that off then. No way in the world I do Duran/Abreu for Diaz.

[Hitch]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

That was one of my complaints when they were yapping after the Devers trade. Why bother state that you're going to be BUYERS at the deadline if you can't guarantee it. Don't put those expectations out there! The same crap happened last year with Tom Werner in the offseason. 

That was exceptionally stupid. I made the same point. These guys cannot stop talking and setting themselves up for falls.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

We can scratch that off then. No way in the world I do Duran/Abreu for Diaz.

Would you do it for Diaz and the struggling Taj Bradley?

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

That was exceptionally stupid. I made the same point. These guys cannot stop talking and setting themselves up for falls.

Maybe this time, they will deliver.

You'd think we can find some really good but overpaid players, some teams want to trade for less of a return due to the money saved.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hitch said:

That was exceptionally stupid. I made the same point. These guys cannot stop talking and setting themselves up for falls.

Smart guys can have really large blind spots. Anybody want to go see Coldplay?