Article: Red Sox Rumors: Duran-Padres Link Grows Stronger, Bregman Trade Rumor Shot Down

[notin]

54 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They eventually changed their name and logo, so I won in the end. I just don't know why they couldn't put me through to Roger Dorn. 

Because he owned the Twins by the third movie.  And then he went on to take over his son’s psychic detective agency….

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Decrease,

You said the same thing about Bello and Rafaela…

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, notin said:

You said the same thing about Bello and Rafaela…

And we all know what Meat Loaf said...

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

You said the same thing about Bello and Rafaela…

I think his contract is a good deal. I think it potentially decreases his trade value to some teams, especially now that he's swooning in AAA. 

This is different than my feeling on Bello and Rafaela. I've always said that Bello's deal was fine. I've always said that Rafaela's deal was unnecessary and may be proven wrong. 

[notin]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And we all know what Meat Loaf said...

“Nothing really rocks and nothing really rolls and nothing’s ever worth the cost”?

[mvp 78]

51 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And we all know what Meat Loaf said...

Hot Patootie, bless my soul. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

On the year Bednar has like a flat 2 ERA and like a 12.5 K/9, 13 saves so insurance if Chapman gets hurt. Great set up man. Prob close for us next year (his arb3 year)

Keller is like a 3.7-3.8 ERA pitcher, so like a good #3 thereabouts. Will slot in nicely in the middle of our rotation next 3 years.  I dont think hes overpaid at all, like 18m/cash per year but with like 15.5 lux tax hit.  Getting a 29 yr old solid #3 in free agency, you are looking at like 21m for 4-5 years. He provides good insurance if Gio or Bello struggle and can join our playoff rotation.  ALso will help us get there (playoffs).

You are right. I thought he was getting paid more. Lux Tax is just $15.4M- just a little more than Pivetta's $55M/4 deal.

25:$15M, 26:$16.5M, 27:$18M, 28:$20M

2021-2025:

fWAR: Keller 11.3, Joe Ryan 10.8, Pivetta 10.5, Sandoval 8.7

ERA-: Ryan 90, Sandoval 91, Pivetta 96, Keller 101

FIP: Ryan 3.73, Sandoval 3.75, Keller 3.87, Pivetta 4.03

2023-2025:

fWAR: Keller & Ryan 8.1, Pivetta 6.7

ERA-: Pivetta 88, Ryan 89, Keller 94, Sandoval 105

I've been wanting us to trade for Keller for years, but somehow, I forgot just how good he has been, too.

Thanks for the insights.

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Hot Patootie, bless my soul. 

A "baseball" related Meat Loaf story written shortly after he passed by a a young woman who played high school softball for him:

https://deadspin.com/meat-loaf-was-my-softball-coach-5821391/

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

A "baseball" related Meatloaf story (okay, softball)

https://deadspin.com/meat-loaf-was-my-softball-coach-5821391/

If I tried to teach the girls tonight to throw the ball by pretending to pull a blind down, they'd have no idea what I was talking about. 

[sk7326]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I think his contract is a good deal. I think it potentially decreases his trade value to some teams, especially now that he's swooning in AAA. 

This is different than my feeling on Bello and Rafaela. I've always said that Bello's deal was fine. I've always said that Rafaela's deal was unnecessary and may be proven wrong. 

The nice thing about Bello is that he did not have to improve much at all to justify the extension and the price tag.  Rafaela was a bit more wobbly - but still cheap.  Even if it was unnecessary, it is a bit of who cares for me.  

Campbell was a bit more reckless.  But I think getting him more confident/competent defensively is going to be at least as important in his AAA stay as the bat.  

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

The nice thing about Bello is that he did not have to improve much at all to justify the extension and the price tag.  Rafaela was a bit more wobbly - but still cheap.  Even if it was unnecessary, it is a bit of who cares for me.  

Campbell was a bit more reckless.  But I think getting him more confident/competent defensively is going to be at least as important in his AAA stay as the bat.  

They gambled. 

If we tried to extend either, now, they'd both want and get more.

The deals are not over yet, but both look nice, now.

[Hitch]

This was a post I saw on Facebook just now with accompanying photos so is legit - 

It's easy to forget the things these players do away from the screen sometimes, and the connections they hold for fans. Duran is always outside signing autographs late into the night. 

I've been one that was leaning to wanting him traded so we could get pitching, but you hear stuff like this and makes me question how black and white I see things on times (in terms of seeing them as value and moving them around casually to make things work to how I would best see fit).

I do like Jarren. He's got his issues as we've seen, and nobody is perfect, but he clearly cares, works his ass off and wants to be there for everyday fans. 

I still hope we get pitching, but I hope he stays, now, too.

 

My sister posted a picture of me meeting Duran last week, but I’ll post my full story here. I was so nervous to meet him. Like a lot of other people here - he’s my favorite player. Aside from his game, I have so much admiration for his openness about his mental health. Anyways - I was so star struck I basically forgot how to speak. I was also shaking so much I think he had to hold me down so he could sign my jersey (second pic). I also have a pic of him holding my hair out of the way (because as I mentioned - I was a nervous wreck. Was absolutely 0 help to this man). When were leaving, I blabbered “am I the most awkward person you’ve met tonight? It’s okay if you say yes.” And he was like “no don’t worry you are good!”

As we were leaving, I tried to manage a “thank you” - and he said “remember - words are hard” and I’ll carry that with me forever. The whole interaction haunted me for days - because man, did I botch it. BUT he was really sweet about it and didn’t make me feel bad for probably taking up more time than I should have

He took his time with every single fan and was truly so humble. I heard him frequently say “why are you sorry?” to fans who apologized for asking him for multiple pictures/to sign more than one item. God only knows how long he was out there for - we stayed an extra 2 hours and he still had a whole line of people to meet after us. Do not trade this gem of a man - I beg you. The team - and the fans - need him. It’s so much bigger than baseball (but also worth noting: he’s more than just a clubhouse guy. We’ve seen what he can do)

Also: you’ll see I’m still holding the sharpie I was supposed to give him, but forgot (I cannot emphasize how useless I was during the whole interaction) - he brought his own pen with him for signatures.

 

 

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

This was a post I saw on Facebook just now with accompanying photos so is legit - 

It's easy to forget the things these players do away from the screen sometimes, and the connections they hold for fans. Duran is always outside signing autographs late into the night. 

I've been one that was leaning to wanting him traded so we could get pitching, but you hear stuff like this and makes me question how black and white I see things on times (in terms of seeing them as value and moving them around casually to make things work to how I would best see fit).

I do like Jarren. He's got his issues as we've seen, and nobody is perfect, but he clearly cares, works his ass off and wants to be there for everyday fans. 

I still hope we get pitching, but I hope he stays, now, too.

 

My sister posted a picture of me meeting Duran last week, but I’ll post my full story here. I was so nervous to meet him. Like a lot of other people here - he’s my favorite player. Aside from his game, I have so much admiration for his openness about his mental health. Anyways - I was so star struck I basically forgot how to speak. I was also shaking so much I think he had to hold me down so he could sign my jersey (second pic). I also have a pic of him holding my hair out of the way (because as I mentioned - I was a nervous wreck. Was absolutely 0 help to this man). When were leaving, I blabbered “am I the most awkward person you’ve met tonight? It’s okay if you say yes.” And he was like “no don’t worry you are good!”

As we were leaving, I tried to manage a “thank you” - and he said “remember - words are hard” and I’ll carry that with me forever. The whole interaction haunted me for days - because man, did I botch it. BUT he was really sweet about it and didn’t make me feel bad for probably taking up more time than I should have

He took his time with every single fan and was truly so humble. I heard him frequently say “why are you sorry?” to fans who apologized for asking him for multiple pictures/to sign more than one item. God only knows how long he was out there for - we stayed an extra 2 hours and he still had a whole line of people to meet after us. Do not trade this gem of a man - I beg you. The team - and the fans - need him. It’s so much bigger than baseball (but also worth noting: he’s more than just a clubhouse guy. We’ve seen what he can do)

Also: you’ll see I’m still holding the sharpie I was supposed to give him, but forgot (I cannot emphasize how useless I was during the whole interaction) - he brought his own pen with him for signatures.

 

 

Duran's the man!

[Bellhorn04]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

This was a post I saw on Facebook just now with accompanying photos so is legit - 

It's easy to forget the things these players do away from the screen sometimes, and the connections they hold for fans. Duran is always outside signing autographs late into the night. 

I've been one that was leaning to wanting him traded so we could get pitching, but you hear stuff like this and makes me question how black and white I see things on times (in terms of seeing them as value and moving them around casually to make things work to how I would best see fit).

I do like Jarren. He's got his issues as we've seen, and nobody is perfect, but he clearly cares, works his ass off and wants to be there for everyday fans. 

I still hope we get pitching, but I hope he stays, now, too.

 

My sister posted a picture of me meeting Duran last week, but I’ll post my full story here. I was so nervous to meet him. Like a lot of other people here - he’s my favorite player. Aside from his game, I have so much admiration for his openness about his mental health. Anyways - I was so star struck I basically forgot how to speak. I was also shaking so much I think he had to hold me down so he could sign my jersey (second pic). I also have a pic of him holding my hair out of the way (because as I mentioned - I was a nervous wreck. Was absolutely 0 help to this man). When were leaving, I blabbered “am I the most awkward person you’ve met tonight? It’s okay if you say yes.” And he was like “no don’t worry you are good!”

As we were leaving, I tried to manage a “thank you” - and he said “remember - words are hard” and I’ll carry that with me forever. The whole interaction haunted me for days - because man, did I botch it. BUT he was really sweet about it and didn’t make me feel bad for probably taking up more time than I should have

He took his time with every single fan and was truly so humble. I heard him frequently say “why are you sorry?” to fans who apologized for asking him for multiple pictures/to sign more than one item. God only knows how long he was out there for - we stayed an extra 2 hours and he still had a whole line of people to meet after us. Do not trade this gem of a man - I beg you. The team - and the fans - need him. It’s so much bigger than baseball (but also worth noting: he’s more than just a clubhouse guy. We’ve seen what he can do)

Also: you’ll see I’m still holding the sharpie I was supposed to give him, but forgot (I cannot emphasize how useless I was during the whole interaction) - he brought his own pen with him for signatures.

 

 

That's awesome.  I love players who go out of their way for the fans.

I recently read a piece about Mike Trout hearing about a kid who had lost all his autographed baseball cards in a fire.  Trout sent him a signed jersey.

[mvp 78]

35 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

That's awesome.  I love players who go out of their way for the fans.

I recently read a piece about Mike Trout hearing about a kid who had lost all his autographed baseball cards in a fire.  Trout sent him a signed jersey.

And not one autographed baseball card? WTH? 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

That's awesome.  I love players who go out of their way for the fans.

I recently read a piece about Mike Trout hearing about a kid who had lost all his autographed baseball cards in a fire.  Trout sent him a signed jersey.

when Trout was in AA ball in Little Rock, AR, he was, by far, the nicest guy on the team -going out of his way to sign and take pics for anybody and everybody. every single day.

[Bellhorn04]

24 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

when Trout was in AA ball in Little Rock, AR, he was, by far, the nicest guy on the team -going out of his way to sign and take pics for anybody and everybody. every single day.

He seems like a great guy.  I'm legit sorry his career got so derailed by injuries.  Not so derailed he won't be going to the Hall, of course. 

[moonslav59]

So, trade the bahstahd Abreu!!!

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

So, trade the bahstahd Abreu!!!

I heard he doesn't sign for anybody! Too busy running home to his kids! Must not be a good clubhouse guy! 

[harmony]

Are these Cubs podcasters realistic in their trade proposals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwHU7tMgac

🙂

 

 

[notin]

11 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

And not one autographed baseball card? WTH? 

Trout wasn’t dipping into his personal collection for some kid…

[notin]

10 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He seems like a great guy.  I'm legit sorry his career got so derailed by injuries.  Not so derailed he won't be going to the Hall, of course. 

Unlike A-Rod, who can literally pull a kid out of the path of a speeding bus, and then instead of accolades is the subject of stories about how he set it up

[Sawxfan]

On 7/13/2025 at 12:23 PM, TedYazPapiMookie said:

First, try to understand the nomenclature.  Errors are not a metric, they are a stat.  Metrics are guesses or estimates.  Fielding % is also a stat not a metric.  The laughable part is your lack of understanding about what you are talking about.  OAA is WAG also known as a wild ass guess.  It's nothing more than one perspective on a guess at a fabricated concept called Outs Above Average.  That's a joke metric.  It's completely fabricated.  Ultimate Zone Ratings are fabricated.  They are new parameters made up to try to make apples to oranges comparisons that are wild ass guesses.

Most people actually use a measurement to define the best at something.  Go look up who had a better DRS in CF in 2024 - Duran or Rafaela.  I'll give you a hint, it's the guy with 2 errors in 550 total chances in CF since he joined the Red Sox.  It's Duran.  

You do realize that just saying something is so doesn't actually make it so?  Right?  

You are welcome to your opinion, but you must know that nobody cares what that is.  They care about facts, and the fact is Duran outperformed all Red Sox outfielders last year, with Rafaela second and Abreu the gold glove winner finishing 3rd.

It takes a lot of nerve to suggest something is laughable when you have no knowledge about the topic.

A metric is defined by Webster's as a "standard of measurement", so please stop embarrassing yourself by trying to be a douche to me, just because your imbecilic take is getting shredded by everybody. I have forgotten more about this game than you will ever know.

[TedYazPapiMookie]

6 hours ago, Sawxfan said:

A metric is defined by Webster's as a "standard of measurement", so please stop embarrassing yourself by trying to be a douche to me, just because your imbecilic take is getting shredded by everybody. I have forgotten more about this game than you will ever know.

Let's start with you using Webster.  That suggests you are a very inexperienced person since you don't comprehend the difference between a standard dictionary and a baseball dictionary.  If so, I will behave politely due to your lack of experience. 

So, besides the wrong choice of dictionary, you know what else you did that is embarrassing to you?   You think by being part of the inexperienced collective on this website that I actually care about what a bunch of junior baseball fans think about ANY part of the game.   I don't. 

In 20 years, when you better understand the game, the metrics, the difference between data and estimates, then please come back to me and apologize for your petulance.  It's embarrassing.  You don't know what you don't know and that's a common mistake of young people.

Also, ANY TIME you want to put your knowledge of the GAME OF BASEBALL or YOUR EXPERIENCE IN BASEBALL against mine, please let me know.  What a ridiculous claim by you.  You have no idea who you are speaking with, but you are young enough to make anonymous claims of knowledge after I completely and transparently told my baseball story validating over 50 years of being involved in baseball and nearly 100 years of my family being involved in baseball.  That's called pure ignorance on your part.