Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[Duran Is The Man]

23 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

This trade really pisses me off. There is a very high chance this ends up like another Mookie Betts trade. 

you mean where we traded a future HOFer for a bag o's***? 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Wait a second.  He loved playing 3b and had done so for 8 years.  But Bregman was better and Cora persuaded Devers to embrace DH, which worked.  Raffy was having a career year and had missed no games.  

Plus the 1b thing came up a month after the season started and after Devers had already been moved once.  

On top of that, there was a good possibility that his OPS would go down while he was adapting to 1b.  

And on top of that is Illinois' point that Devers was already unhappy.  

I really don't give a rats ass if Devers was "unhappy". Too bad! Things change and people need to be flexible. I know there would have been a learning curve for Devers at 1B and I would not have expected that he would immediately be good there defensively. But others have made the switch. He is a stubborn insubordinate me first player and that is not the culture management wanted here. I don't blame them one bit. We likely won't be contending for a ring or even playing ball in Oct this year, but Devers is replaceable.

[Jasonbay44]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

you mean where we traded a future HOFer for a bag o's***? 

Exactly. I don’t like the trade at all. I despised the Mookie trade and feel the same way about this one 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

I really don't give a rats ass if Devers was "unhappy". Too bad! Things change and people need to be flexible. I know there would have been a learning curve for Devers at 1B and I would not have expected that he would immediately be good there defensively. But others have made the switch. He is a stubborn insubordinate me first player and that is not the culture management wanted here. I don't blame them one bit. We likely won't be contending for a ring or even playing ball in Oct this year, but Devers is replaceable.

The Sox are a young team. Having a pouting Diva in the clubhouse is poison .

[FredLynn]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Sox are a young team. Having a pouting Diva in the clubhouse is poison .

Bingo!

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Casas has a career OPS of .800. He will be fine when he gets back. If Toro and Gonzalez can maintain what they are doing, which I highly doubt, we are in good shape if Henry uses the money to backfill for Devers.

Do you remember how he injured himself last season?  By swinging the bat, period.  This season ended when he ran to 1b and didn't land well.  The guy is accident/injury prone.   He has been with the Sox for 4 seasons.  In played in 132 games 2 years ago and played in 119 games the other 3 seasons combined.  

You say his average OPS is .800, and I say Toro's this year is .884 and Gonzalez's is .856.   Casas no doubt has more potential than either of them, but this year I'm delighted with his absence.  

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Do you remember how he injured himself last season?  By swinging the bat, period.  This season ended when he ran to 1b and didn't land well.  The guy is accident/injury prone.   He has been with the Sox for 4 seasons.  In played in 132 games 2 years ago and played in 119 games the other 3 seasons combined.  

You say his average OPS is .800, and I say Toro's this year is .884 and Gonzalez's is .856.   Casas no doubt has more potential than either of them, but this year I'm delighted with his absence.  

Past injuries are not predictive of future ones. And I would be delighted if Toro and Gonzales can keep it up. Think they can? I don't

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

18 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

IMHO, Devers hasn't been that happy to play in Boston since they let his best friend X-man go. Removing Devers from 3rd was the final straw for Devers.

Like Moon posted some of these players the Sox got in return will be part of a large package to get Skenes.

The money saved by trading Devers will be available to keep Skenes for a long time.

IMHO, Skenes is the target and the Sox will offer the Pirates a deal they can't refuse. 

[Maxbialystock]

23 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

You don't have to do what you are told in a business. You can find another job. Your comparison to Nuremberg is rejected as meaningless. This isn't a war where people are asked to torture or kill people.

I agree, but you're the one who started this with "chain of command."  As a former soldier, I can assure we take an oath not to obey orders which are unlawful--and our primary allegiance is to the Constitution.  

Also, you seem to be unaware that the MLBPA pretty much guarantees a player has some say in how he is treated.    Plus, guess what?  There is nothing in Devers contract that says he is obligated to play any position the manager or CBO dictates.  In this case, Devers had already been shorn of his favorite badge, that of a MLB thirdbaseman, where he played for 8 years.  

All that said, Breslow had/has the right to trade any player for any reason.  In this case, it appears the Sox got the better deal by sending Raffy to the Giants.  He was an awfully expensive DH.  Plus Illinois points out that Devers really was unhappy with the Sox.  

 

[Maxbialystock]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The money saved by trading Devers will be available to keep Skenes for a long time.

IMHO, Skenes is the target and the Sox will offer the Pirates a deal they can't refuse. 

Would it were true, but I entirely agree with your notion.  

[Nick]

Just realized tons of deep thinkers on podcasts. NOT.

Anyone thinks Hicks was in the deal to soften the cash exchange?

Instead of paying $30M. Giants won't have to pay Hicks $12Mf for next three years?

Not all about talent exchange.

 

 

[moonslav59]

41 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

You're wrong.  Breslow did his job. Devers was a spoiled SOB and refused to switch positions when asked. That is HIS job-to do what he was told. I won't miss his insubordination.

When was he asked?

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Lack of smiling? Are you serious?

Yes, but there was more than just less smiling and team closeness. Devers was dogging it and hurting the team morales and example setting went out the window.

YES.

[Larry Cook]

Hicks is on the DL now, but I hope he becomes a bullpen guy for us when he returns! And allows us to trade Chapman next month! 

[Maxbialystock]

6 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Past injuries are not predictive of future ones. And I would be delighted if Toro and Gonzales can keep it up. Think they can? I don't

Injuries can happen to anyone and often do.   See especially Breslow's injury last month.  He was just rounding 1b and heading for 2b when he turned around and took himself out of the game because the same thing happened in 2021. 

Casas is 6'4"and 244 lbs and an accident waiting to happen.   This one cost almost an entire season, and all he did was run to first base.  Last year, as I said, he was just swinging at a pitch.  

That doesn't make me right and you wrong, but I'm sure Breslow ain't as sure as you are.  Of course, he thought the same thing about Sale and let him go. 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Hicks is on the DL now, but I hope he becomes a bullpen guy for us when he returns! And allows us to trade Chapman next month! 

Why do you want the excellent Chapman traded? That makes no sense.

[moonslav59]

39 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Casas has a career OPS of .800. He will be fine when he gets back. If Toro and Gonzalez can maintain what they are doing, which I highly doubt, we are in good shape if Henry uses the money to backfill for Devers.

Yes, and Devers was thriving at the plate at 3B, too. Dh was not what made him a hitter.

[Larry Cook]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Why do you want the excellent Chapman traded? That makes no sense.

He is out performing an expiring contract and teams over pay at the trade deadline for this set of circumstances 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Injuries can happen to anyone and often do.   See especially Breslow's injury last month.  He was just rounding 1b and heading for 2b when he turned around and took himself out of the game because the same thing happened in 2021. 

Casas is 6'4"and 244 lbs and an accident waiting to happen.   This one cost almost an entire season, and all he did was run to first base.  Last year, as I said, he was just swinging at a pitch.  

That doesn't make me right and you wrong, but I'm sure Breslow ain't as sure as you are.  Of course, he thought the same thing about Sale and let him go. 

Injuries are part of the game and are largely unpredictable. Of course if you’re overweight like Casas and Devers you’re going to be more prone to injuries. Casas’ injury could have happened to anyone. It’s a freak injury. 

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, and Devers was thriving at the plate at 3B, too. Dh was not what made him a hitter.

Devers sucked defensively. That’s the difference. He’s an excellent hitter and will be for a long time.

Unfortunately he’s a me first guy and that’s a poor teammate on a young team. 

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, but there was more than just less smiling and team closeness. Devers was dogging it and hurting the team morales and example setting went out the window.

YES.

Whoa, nellie.  I agree he was a loner and not very happy and that recently it has been at its worse.

But guess what?  The Sox are 8-2 in their last 10 games when Devers, in addition to being a malcontent, wasn't hitting very well.  And they did that without our best player and natural leader, Bregman.  

Also, if you watch the dugout when good things happen on the field, Devers is as enthusiastic as anyone.  

To me it's just silly to point to the DH and blame him for the lousy pitching we have had most of this season. Also, I believe it's true that Devers has yet to master the English language.  

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, Larry Cook said:

He is out performing an expiring contract and teams over pay at the trade deadline for this set of circumstances 

True. I guess trading Chapman will depend where the Sox are at the TDL.

[Larry Cook]

5 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

True. I guess trading Chapman will depend where the Sox are at the TDL.

At the trade deadline, I would think bres-slow gets more calls about Chapman than any other player we have on the roster! 

[Thunder]

I heard about this trade while on my flight to Seattle, so I had the rare opportunity to digest it in a vacuum, free of social media opinions and the influence of others.

 

If he really wanted out, that’s fine. I think we’re better off without him if that is the case. The future of this team are versatile athletic position players, and he is neither of those things. Does it suck? Yes, but the business world is fragile. No job is safe. And this, after all, is just a business.

 

Do I think the season is automatically over now? Nope, but we’ll see. Did I think we were a playoff team this year before this? Nope. 

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, and Devers was thriving at the plate at 3B, too. Dh was not what made him a hitter.

But, but, but he was a thirdbaseman and loved being one.  Breslow took that away from him.  And Cora did his best to make it work by convincing Devers to embrace DH, which he did.  He also played in every single Sox game this season.   DH made him a better hitter.  But my real point is that we absolutely know he was having a good year at DH even though he vastly preferred 3b.  So why the heck move him to 1b when Casas stunk and was easily replaced?  At 1b he would struggle to master the position, no doubt commit errors, and very possibly have his OPS go down.  

Mookie Betts has been terrific at SS, but this year is his lowest OPS, .766, in 12 freaking years  in MLB.  And Mookie is a much better athlete than Raffy.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

At the trade deadline, I would think bres-slow gets more calls about Chapman than any other player we have on the roster! 

Why would the Sox trade their closer now? As long as the FO feels the Sox are contenders Chapman ain't going nowhere.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Whoa, nellie.  I agree he was a loner and not very happy and that recently it has been at its worse.

But guess what?  The Sox are 8-2 in their last 10 games when Devers, in addition to being a malcontent, wasn't hitting very well.  And they did that without our best player and natural leader, Bregman.  

Also, if you watch the dugout when good things happen on the field, Devers is as enthusiastic as anyone.  

To me it's just silly to point to the DH and blame him for the lousy pitching we have had most of this season. Also, I believe it's true that Devers has yet to master the English language.  

 

No Woa.

The guy was dogging it- more than once.

Cora bent over backwards to not pressure Devers to play 1B, as his boss was pushing, and Devers had him rolling his eyes by dogging it and pouting.

I've been in Devers corner for years, but the eye rolling said it all to me.

Am I happy we traded our best player for future assets and nebulous financial flexibility for some unknown later time? HELL NO!

Can we ever replace his bat? Not likely.

Does this look like a 3rd down punt? Yes.

I'm not sure it was a bad idea, though.

 

 

 

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Otoh, if Devers had agreed to play 1st right after the Casas injury, Cora could have had more options to put a better lineup at the plate. Maybe winning more of those one run losses. I guess we'll never know.

[Jasonbay44]

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Betts didn't want to play here and Devers is a Diva.