Article: Breaking: Roman Anthony Called Up By Red Sox, Will Make MLB Debut Vs Rays

[moonslav59]

I do think the year of control aspect played a role in the timing of the call-ups, but to me the main idea was to not call anyone up, unless there was a way to play them FT or very close to FT, otherwise, we'd be hampering their development not enhancing it.

Quite simply put Drewski is right (and I have said this for year) we are NOT benching Refsnyder vs LHPs. (We could probably say the same about Romy.) We are not benching Duran and Abreu vs RHPs. Do we really want to bench our 2nd best bWAR & 3rd best fWAR guy, Rafaela? All of this pretty much blocked Anthony, unless you are on the play Anthony at 1B boat or force Devers to play 1B and start the rookie out at DH boat.

The Mayer path was opened with the Bregman injury, but before that, it was going to be a Mayer vs Story or Mayer vs Campbell choice, unless you were piloting the Campbell at 1B boat. Sure, looking back at Story's bad start on O and D, it's easy to say "Trade or DFA Story," or we should have before, but that is not an easy choice.

We handed Campbell the 2B job our of ST'ing, and it looked like a great idea, before he started slumping badly, but now he's looking okay.

The kids will get their shots, but they should not be on the 26, unless they play in 90% of the games. Do the math. If we are not going to bench a vet or some platoon players that are doing awesome in their roles, it can't be done. Trading Story with a huge chunk of cash, is a solution for Mayer, but the Anthony case is more complicated and involves benching or trading someone doing a very nice job in their current role. When Abreu comes back, we will have to make a very difficult choice. The Story choice is not all that easy, either, especially when you figure we are already paying Yoshida $18M a year to just sit around.

Money matters to JH & Brez. I doubt they want to give up on Story, now or when Bregman returns (deadlinish?) Rafaela to 2B takes away his big plus on CF D and crowds out Campbell or Mayer, unless we go back to the Campbell at 1B boat or wagon. It does allow for Anthony to play FT wihtout trading Duran or Abreu.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

There are lots of people on the site.  Ignoring the insulting ones isn't that hard once you see the personalities and baseball knowledge they have.  The obnoxious few won't deter me from finding the real baseball people. 

5Gold is a clown and has a predilection for puns, but if he fits your definition of a troll, you might need to redefine it.  At his worst, Hes Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.  And nobody hates Triumph…

[illinoisredsox]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

5Gold is a clown and has a predilection for puns, but if he fits your definition of a troll, you might need to redefine it.  At his worst, Hes Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.  And nobody hates Triumph…

Too bad he won’t see this since he has you on ignore (a list I hope I’m on as well).

Of course, publicly criticizing the mods is certainly the way to remain in good graces with them.  I do hope they don’t ban TYPM; his lectures are unintentionally funny.

[notin]

51 minutes ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Since I had Notin on my "ignore list" it must have re-sequenced the names and made it show GG as the originator.  GG, I apologize.  And thanks, drewsik6 for clearing things up.  Now the event makes perfect sense.

 

 

For those of you scoring at home, I’m on yet another “Ignore” list, giving me a slight lead on the site.  Official standings should be posting soon…

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

Too bad he won’t see this since he has you on ignore (a list I hope I’m on as well).

Of course, publicly criticizing the mods is certainly the way to remain in good graces with them.  I do hope they don’t ban TYPM; his lectures are unintentionally funny.

I'm not for banning anyone, and I do find many of TYPM's posts hilariously funny and the unintentional aspect intriguing. What gets me is, that many of his posts attack others while he calls out others for attacking him. There is something about hypocrisy that activates an irritant.

I know I've been accused as coming across as a "know-it-all," and I don't mean to be, but the way TYPM posts is to an extreme in this way, and when the points made are often so blatantly and factually wrong, it does become comical, but more in a tragic comedy sense than a "ha-ha" way.

 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, notin said:

For those of you scoring at home, I’m on yet another “Ignore” list, giving me a slight lead on the site.  Official standings should be posting soon…

I didn't even realize that this site has an "ignore" function.

How do you put someone on ignore?

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

For those of you scoring at home, I’m on yet another “Ignore” list, giving me a slight lead on the site.  Official standings should be posting soon…

The only list that still matters is the April 2016 list. Some of us still remember... 🏴

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0KkvMUclOs

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I didn't even realize that this site has an "ignore" function.

How do you put someone on ignore?

Click your username on the top right of the page. There's a drop down with "ignored users." Click on that and let your fingers do the walking. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Click your username on the top right of the page. There's a drop down with "ignored users." Click on that and let your fingers do the walking. 

Okay, thanks. I'm not sure I'm at that point with anyone, yet. I did ignore Red a few times on the previous format, more out of sparing others the grief of listening to us go  at each other than out of personal insults against me, but maybe someday...

LOL.

I think this site has been pretty good for a long while. Of course, there have been some razzles and close calls, but you've done a good job keeping it relatively tame.

Thanks.

[notin]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The only list that still matters is the April 2016 list. Some of us still remember... 🏴

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0KkvMUclOs

But I’m on that one, too ;)

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

But I’m on that one, too ;)

I know who's on THAT list for sure... 😡

[illinoisredsox]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Okay, thanks. I'm not sure I'm at that point with anyone, yet. I did ignore Red a few times on the previous format, more out of sparing others the grief of listening to us go  at each other than out of personal insults against me, but maybe someday...

LOL.

I think this site has been pretty good for a long while. Of course, there have been some razzles and close calls, but you've done a good job keeping it relatively tame.

Thanks.

I’ve got 9 on my list, but only 3 are active; the rest are long ago banned types.  The 3  are people who just clutter up threads (mostly game threads) with repetitive posting and nothing interesting added.

There are a few posters who I don’t particularly get along with but who post stuff that’s worth reading.

[illinoisredsox]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The only list that still matters is the April 2016 list. Some of us still remember... 🏴

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0KkvMUclOs

 

3 minutes ago, notin said:

But I’m on that one, too ;)

 

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I know who's on THAT list for sure... 😡

I’m  proud to be on that list with notin and moon.

[notin]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I know who's on THAT list for sure... 😡

At this point, isn’t it just me, Illinois, and moon?

There are some others from the other site that still post here, like Bellhorn and Kimmi, but I think they were both doing it before that date…

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

I’ve got 9 on my list, but only 3 are active; the rest are long ago banned types.  The 3  are people who just clutter up threads (mostly game threads) with repetitive posting and nothing interesting added.

There are a few posters who I don’t particularly get along with but who post stuff that’s worth reading.

Wow. Nine.

I play bridge, mostly online, and I think I lead the site in players on my ignore list, but rudeness and incompetence runs rampant on that site. (I have a 2 strike rule for rudeness and 3 strikes for incompetence. 1 or each and it's bye-bye.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I may not be on a list, but I know an ignoramus when I look in the pond on a clear day.

But I'm confused why sites create a special ignore function when members can already scroll past posters they don't want to read.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I may not be on a list, but I know an ignoramus when I look in the pond on a clear day.

But I'm confused why sites create a special ignore function when members can already scroll past posters they don't want to read.

Same.

I never officially ignore anyone.  There are posters I do not like, but occasionally I read something they post and find it to be remarkably insightful…

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I may not be on a list, but I know an ignoramus when I look in the pond on a clear day.

But I'm confused why sites create a special ignore function when members can already scroll past posters they don't want to read.

You punster, you!

Love it!

LMAO on the "ignoramus" thingy.

[dgalehouse]

I have never put anyone on ignore . And I have never wanted anyone to be banned. An open forum , with differing ideas and opinions , is good for business. As for rude and obnoxious comments, there  seems to be a very subjective reaction. Some things never seem to get a reprimand. I guess it all depends on whose ox is being gored and who is doing it. But that's life . I understand how it works. 

[Hitch]

2 hours ago, notin said:

First of all, let’s not confuse “losing a year” with “not gaining a year.”  They’re not the same thing at all.

 

I think the Sox are more interested in Anthony succeeding rather than struggling just to prolong his free agency, especially since he’s very likely to reach Super Two status and gain an arb year anyway even if he does figure in ROY balloting.  But more important, if he’s good enough to figure in ROY voting now despite being over 2+ full WAR behind leader Jacob Wilson, he can and should help the Sox win some games.  And that is their primary goal - winning, not managing Roman Anthony’s career.
 

And it’s beyond presumptuous to assume just because he’s the #1 prospect - a credential he shares with Andrew Benintendi and Daisuke Matsuzaka - automatically makes him a candidate for ROY….

Notin, come on man. You're reaching for anything and everything to make an argument that just isn't needed. More than one thing can be true at the same time. 

Did the Sox have a log jam in the outfield? Sure. Is it also possible they were keeping him down when the team was screaming for change as they didn't want to risk losing that year to a run at ROY? Sure.

You'd swear service time manipulation is a new, barely whispered about, thing. 

[Hitch]

30 minutes ago, notin said:

Same.

I never officially ignore anyone.  There are posters I do not like, but occasionally I read something they post and find it to be remarkably insightful…

Same. I generally scroll past a few posters without reading as they make me angry or depressed 😂but very few. I generally like reading as many opinions as possible, but it really isn't hard to ignore people on a text-based forum.

[cp176]

Seriously?  I’ve had my share of battles here as well but thought I’d give it another try.  Same posters for the most part, same old same old.   It’s a site that is a little less toxic than before but oh well.  I’m a person that isn’t normally 100% that I’m right about most things.  There certainly are people here who feel that they are. And that’s ok.  i do enjoy the banter but for me it is really about the baseball and maybe even learning some new perspectives about the game.  I hope this site continues to be enjoyable for me.  

[cp176]

19 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

He still struggles with LHP and offspeed stuff. Just because he hit two dingers last night, doesn't mean he's figured that stuff out. It'll only be harder to learn that at the MLB level. 

I’m not going to argue with this point at all.  Mayer hitting 2 home runs in a game, didn’t really factor in to my comment about both Mayer and Anthony.  It is about the overall talent they have as compared to anyone on the roster that might be chosen to replace them.  Looks to me as though Mayer is playing the field like a seasoned veteran.  People with their types of unique talent need to be given a chance to hit mlb pitching regardless of what the metrics say.  Let’s see what they can do I say.  There really isn’t much to lose I think.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, cp176 said:

I’m not going to argue with this point at all.  Mayer hitting 2 home runs in a game, didn’t really factor in to my comment about both Mayer and Anthony.  It is about the overall talent they have as compared to anyone on the roster that might be chosen to replace them.  Looks to me as though Mayer is playing the field like a seasoned veteran.  People with their types of unique talent need to be given a chance to hit mlb pitching regardless of what the metrics say.  Let’s see what they can do I say.  There really isn’t much to lose I think.

Red Sox are in 4th place with a losing record in mid-June.

There are those of us who watched Spring Training and thought then Boston was at its best with Mayer, Anthony and Campbell on the field.

Best case scenario is they provide a spark to help the Sox get back in the race.

If not, a line-up without the Big Three -- and Bregman, for now -- has already proven its not good enough.

The worst thing that can happen isn't that the young guys struggle and the team stays also-ran. It will be worse if they're not allowed to struggle, adjust, and transition -- so they're ready when Breslow finally adds and develops enough quality pitching to contend...

[mvp 78]

45 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The worst thing that can happen isn't that the young guys struggle and the team stays also-ran. It will be worse if they're not allowed to struggle, adjust, and transition -- so they're ready when Breslow finally adds and develops enough quality pitching to contend...

This needs to be said a little bit louder for the people in the back. 

[notin]

15 hours ago, Hitch said:

Notin, come on man. You're reaching for anything and everything to make an argument that just isn't needed. More than one thing can be true at the same time. 

Did the Sox have a log jam in the outfield? Sure. Is it also possible they were keeping him down when the team was screaming for change as they didn't want to risk losing that year to a run at ROY? Sure.

You'd swear service time manipulation is a new, barely whispered about, thing. 

Do not move the goal posts.  This started with a comment that the Sox don’t want Anthony to win ROY.  That’s ridiculous.  While there is a downside, theres also plenty of upside.

Of course right now, Hes not even a candidate…

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Do not move the goal posts.  This started with a comment that the Sox don’t want Anthony to win ROY.  That’s ridiculous.  While there is a downside, theres also plenty of upside.

Of course right now, Hes not even a candidate…

Not true. Every player with rookie eligibility is candidate.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Not true. Every player with rookie eligibility is candidate.

True.  But where do you place him?  if I asked for your top 5 ROY candidates so far, who is on your list?

[mvp 78]

45 minutes ago, notin said:

True.  But where do you place him?  if I asked for your top 5 ROY candidates so far, who is on your list?

If I got a vote:

Carlos Narvaez

Kristian Campbell (stuffing the box so that the Sox get a PIP)

Jacob Wilson

Shane Smith

Mayer (I think he could make a run at it actually)

 

[notin]

39 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If I got a vote:

Carlos Narvaez

Kristian Campbell (stuffing the box so that the Sox get a PIP)

Jacob Wilson

Shane Smith

Mayer (I think he could make a run at it actually)

 

I’m close.  I would go:

1. Wilson

2. Narvaez

3. Kameron Misener

4. Smith

5. Campbell, just ahead of Meidroth…

 

I hope Mayer, Anthony and Dobbins can all make a run…