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Posted
12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

My reply to MVP’s had nothing to do with prospect depth at all, so you just ran with something in the wrong direction. My point was, because of how the roster was constructed there was NO room for either Mayer, and or Anthony, and if not for the injuries they would still be a Woo, because of it. No one said anything to the sort of anything being terrible to cover injuries with prospect depth, but you. Another N added.🤭

Did you have a point?

I fail to see any issue here.   Earlier this eeek, the Giants lost key player Matt Chapman for a but, probably not long.  But they called Christian Koss, a career minor leaguer and one-time Sox farmhand.  Yeah. Exciting.

The Sox see injuries to Alex Bregman and Wilyer Abreu, and instead of calling up a career minor leaguer or AAAA player (like they had to for Casas), they call up two of the top ten prospects in MLB.  This is a good thing.  How is this a roster construction issue?

Posted
3 minutes ago, notin said:

Did you have a point?

I fail to see any issue here.   Earlier this eeek, the Giants lost key player Matt Chapman for a but, probably not long.  But they called Christian Koss, a career minor leaguer and one-time Sox farmhand.  Yeah. Exciting.

The Sox see injuries to Alex Bregman and Wilyer Abreu, and instead of calling up a career minor leaguer or AAAA player (like they had to for Casas), they call up two of the top ten prospects in MLB.  This is a good thing.  How is this a roster construction issue?

NNN🤭. The fact that Anthony, and Mayer wasn’t on the roster to begin with is the Roster Construction issue.🙈 Masa not being on the roster i, because of roster construction. It’s not that hard to comprehend. Then again I guess it is.🤔

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Posted
2 hours ago, Old Red said:

And I believe that Mayer, and Anthony might still be at Woo if not for injuries, because of all of this.

There's a good chance they'd still be hemming and hawing with them down there, yes. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, notin said:

Goofed how?  They still had Duran, Rafaela and Abreu.  Since Cora said Rafaela will be in CF “as much as possible”, that eliminated one starting role already.

Reportedly they tried to deal Abreu this offseason.  Not sure if there was no interest or insufficient interest.  But if their only option there was to trade Abreu for far less value, should they have?  
 

Trading Duran absolutely made the most sense, and I’m not sure if they tried.  But the same reason trading him made sense (clear high after 8 bWAR season) also made it difficult to trade him because he became immensely popular.

Campbell made the team because his path was the easiest.  It took multiple injuries to get Mayer up…

Because a player is popular, it's harder to trade a player? How does that make any sense. It should be easier to trade a player that is popular. If Breslow is making moves to appease a fanbase, the Sox will never get to the playoffs under his watch. They are toast. 

Duran is having his worst season since 2022. Roman Anthony should have been the starting LFer since Opening Day. He has a higher ceiling than Duran. Just because you already have a capable OFer in the way doesn't make it the right move. You have the best prospect in baseball. You don't sit him because you have a guy that hits 750 in front of him who struggles to catch balls with a catch rate of 99%. 

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Posted
39 minutes ago, notin said:

And ROY is so dependent on other factors.  Anthony could have come up with April and posted 3.0 fWAR already and he still might not win ROY, since Jacob Wilson is off to an even better start…

If he comes in second place, he gets a year of service time too. 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
39 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Because a player is popular, it's harder to trade a player? How does that make any sense. It should be easier to trade a player that is popular. If Breslow is making moves to appease a fanbase, the Sox will never get to the playoffs under his watch. They are toast. 

Duran is having his worst season since 2022. Roman Anthony should have been the starting LFer since Opening Day. He has a higher ceiling than Duran. Just because you already have a capable OFer in the way doesn't make it the right move. You have the best prospect in baseball. You don't sit him because you have a guy that hits 750 in front of him who struggles to catch balls with a catch rate of 99%. 

I was on te short list with you advocating for dealing Duran.

I don’t know if they tried, but clearly no deal was found.  But give Duran  SOME credit. He was g timing off an 8.7 bWAR season.  Thats MVP level stuff (the award, not you).  He could “decline” and still put up 6 bWAR. 
 

Duran’s worst season since 2022?  Duran played 58 GAMES in 2022!  Also Duran has 1.6 bWAR already in 2025, clearly ahead of the pace to pass his 2.2 bWAR in 2023.  So really, he’s having his worst season since 2024.  Who isnt?
 

Sure Anthony has a ceiling of MVP level play,  but Duran has that in his past…

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Posted
33 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If he comes in second place, he gets a year of service time too. 

I know he’s not interested now, but at some point in the next 6 years the Sox could extend him and make that point moot.  
 

Unless the Sox clear a spot for him, or Abreu is seriously hurt, chances are against Anthony finishing anywhere near that high…

Posted
18 minutes ago, notin said:

I know he’s not interested now, but at some point in the next 6 years the Sox could extend him and make that point moot.  
 

Unless the Sox clear a spot for him, or Abreu is seriously hurt, chances are against Anthony finishing anywhere near that high…

Not sure they will send him down if he looks ready. Easier to leave the toothpaste in the tube then to get it back in once out.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, notin said:

I know he’s not interested now, but at some point in the next 6 years the Sox could extend him and make that point moot.  
 

Unless the Sox clear a spot for him, or Abreu is seriously hurt, chances are against Anthony finishing anywhere near that high…

To make the point moot, just put him on the roster on day one. His play either puts him into a fulltime starting role or not. I believe they messed up that decision and got caught in the middle here. We've seen the career year from Duran in '24 and it's not coming back, especially if he can't replicate the defense (something that should be more consistent year to year). 

It's just easier to move on from Duran for me due to age, skill set that will decline and overall vibe that I personally don't enjoy. I'm not Craig Breslow so I clearly don't make that call though. Cora loves him so we get to see atop the lineup every friggin' day. 

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Posted
19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

To make the point moot, just put him on the roster on day one. His play either puts him into a fulltime starting role or not. I believe they messed up that decision and got caught in the middle here. We've seen the career year from Duran in '24 and it's not coming back, especially if he can't replicate the defense (something that should be more consistent year to year). 

It's just easier to move on from Duran for me due to age, skill set that will decline and overall vibe that I personally don't enjoy. I'm not Craig Breslow so I clearly don't make that call though. Cora loves him so we get to see atop the lineup every friggin' day. 

Trading Duran is the best option IMO as well.  Not sure why it wasn’t done this off-season, probably due to focusing more on moving Abreu.  But there is interest now, albeit from a depleted San Diego organization…

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Posted
5 minutes ago, notin said:

Trading Duran is the best option IMO as well.  Not sure why it wasn’t done this off-season, probably due to focusing more on moving Abreu.  But there is interest now, albeit from a depleted San Diego organization…

At worst, you hold onto Duran through the season and have to rotate 4 guys through the lineup for the year. Maybe an additional trade partner shows up at the deadline? 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

At worst, you hold onto Duran through the season and have to rotate 4 guys through the lineup for the year. Maybe an additional trade partner shows up at the deadline? 

I actually am not a fan of that plan. I know you proposed platooning/rotating Duran and Rafaela in CF, but Duran is really not much of an OF.  Hes the guy I wanted grabbing a 1b mitt for this reason.

I can’t imagine SD will be the only team interested.  Duran is coming off an incredible season, and really didnt hit that much early on last year.  His current OPS is roughly where he ended last May.  If he has a similar hot streak in the near future, combined with his salary and arb status/years of control, he could be worth a lot in a trade…

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Posted
1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Not sure they will send him down if he looks ready. Easier to leave the toothpaste in the tube then to get it back in once out.

Depends on how he does.  With only a handful of at bats, it’s certainly too early to make a call either way.  But we saw it happen with Jackson Holliday last year, and many have pointed out maybe it should with Campbell this year, even after his stellar April…

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Posted
12 minutes ago, notin said:

I actually am not a fan of that plan. I know you proposed platooning/rotating Duran and Rafaela in CF, but Duran is really not much of an OF.  Hes the guy I wanted grabbing a 1b mitt for this reason.

I can’t imagine SD will be the only team interested.  Duran is coming off an incredible season, and really didnt hit that much early on last year.  His current OPS is roughly where he ended last May.  If he has a similar hot streak in the near future, combined with his salary and arb status/years of control, he could be worth a lot in a trade…

He had a 978 OPS from 6/1 - 8/31 last year. However, I'm not really seeing any signs of life from his at bats right now. Could he get hot? Sure. If he does, then let him back into a fulltime role. Until then, he can platoon. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, notin said:

Depends on how he does.  With only a handful of at bats, it’s certainly too early to make a call either way.  But we saw it happen with Jackson Holliday last year, and many have pointed out maybe it should with Campbell this year, even after his stellar April…

Holliday isn't a fair comp as he was only up for 10 days before being sent down. 

Churio: 619 OPS on 6/11/25, never sent down and ended at 791

Merrill: 671 OPS on 6/11/25, never sent down and ended at 826 (Merrill had a 527 OPS 4/24-6/7)

If they haven't sent Campbell down yet, I don't believe they will in the future. 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Holliday isn't a fair comp as he was only up for 10 days before being sent down. 

Churio: 619 OPS on 6/11/25, never sent down and ended at 791

Merrill: 671 OPS on 6/11/25, never sent down and ended at 826 (Merrill had a 527 OPS 4/24-6/7)

If they haven't sent Campbell down yet, I don't believe they will in the future. 

I thought I was responding to a post about Anthony, but I suppose it could have been about Campbell…

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Posted
1 minute ago, notin said:

I thought I was responding to a post about Anthony, but I suppose it could have been about Campbell…

Well, I do believe in the super string theory, so yes. It was about Anthony, but also about Campbell. 

Posted

Duran's a good offensive player, but not a great leadoff batter, because he strikes out too much and isn't a top on base guy. But when he does get a hit, his extra-base wheels make him a game-changer (his speed -- not his hands -- also makes him an average outfielder).

He has value, and Breslow will blow it if he doesn't improve the club by using the Sox' strongest area of depth it to bring back reinforcements for the pitching staff. Duran was All-Star Game MVP, but Anthony could be an All-Star for 10 years.

Trading an established star isn't unprecedented. Boston had a third baseman named Carney Lansford who won the AL batting crown in 1981 at age 24. The next year they brought up a rookie, also 24, who batted .349 in 104 games. After the season they traded their batting champ and gave 3B to the new guy.

Wade Boggs then won five of the next six batting titles, six of the next seven OBP crowns, and had five straight seasons of 8 WAR or higher.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Duran's a good offensive player, but not a great leadoff batter, because he strikes out too much and isn't a top on base guy. But when he does get a hit, his extra-base wheels make him a game-changer (his speed -- not his hands -- also makes him an average outfielder).

He has value, and Breslow will blow it if he doesn't improve the club by using the Sox' strongest area of depth it to bring back reinforcements for the pitching staff. Duran was All-Star Game MVP, but Anthony could be an All-Star for 10 years.

Trading an established star isn't unprecedented. Boston had a third baseman named Carney Lansford who won the AL batting crown in 1981 at age 24. The next year they brought up a rookie, also 24, who batted .349 in 104 games. After the season they traded their batting champ and gave 3B to the new guy.

Wade Boggs then won five of the next six batting titles, six of the next seven OBP crowns, and had five straight seasons of 8 WAR or higher.

Duran led MLB in doubles AND triples last season. He's towards the top in the leaderboard in the same categories this year, but 89th in OBP! 

Posted
4 hours ago, notin said:

Right.  The whole thing went down smoothly and thankfully John Henry didn’t have to get involved…

It was messy PR wise.  It may have worked out just fine results wise.  

Posted
4 hours ago, notin said:

Did you have a point?

I fail to see any issue here.   Earlier this eeek, the Giants lost key player Matt Chapman for a but, probably not long.  But they called Christian Koss, a career minor leaguer and one-time Sox farmhand.  Yeah. Exciting.

The Sox see injuries to Alex Bregman and Wilyer Abreu, and instead of calling up a career minor leaguer or AAAA player (like they had to for Casas), they call up two of the top ten prospects in MLB.  This is a good thing.  How is this a roster construction issue?

Could not agree more.   It absolutely is a good thing.  And let's not forget that the real problem is the pitching.  So maybe some lineup talent is sent elsewhere to bring back pitching talent.  

 

Old-Timey Member
Posted
18 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It was messy PR wise.  It may have worked out just fine results wise.  

The end results are fine for now.  Devers is raking at DH.  Toro is producing.  But a few eggs were broken making this omelette…

Posted
42 minutes ago, notin said:

The end results are fine for now.  Devers is raking at DH.  Toro is producing.  But a few eggs were broken making this omelette…

I like metaphors too, but who actually cares if eggs were broken if the omelette is good?

Posted
On 6/10/2025 at 7:10 AM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Crochet, Dobbins, and anyone else lobbing

Seriously?  hahaha  You've never heard of the extremely famous line from the 1948 Boston Braves?

Spahn and Sain and Pray For Rain?

I forget the huge experience gap.  hahaha

You called this battle cry of the 1948 Boston Braves - Unpoetic? 

The irony is it was composed from a poem by Gerry Hern run in the Boston Globe on 9/14/1948!!

Sometimes it's better to not comment when you have no idea what the comment is about!!!

 

 

Posted
5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

He had a 978 OPS from 6/1 - 8/31 last year. However, I'm not really seeing any signs of life from his at bats right now. Could he get hot? Sure. If he does, then let him back into a fulltime role. Until then, he can platoon. 

Can you remember back to all the years we struggled without a lead-off man after Mookie was tossed in the garbage?  Well, Duran is the ONLY lead-off man currently on this make-shift team.  Players have slumps and recover.  Duran is an all-star and as we watch his average climb I think he still has a chance in 2025 to make it again since there is still a month left.

All this talk about the best player other than Bregman being traded, moved or not playing daily is so off the mark it's hard to believe a Red Sox fan is coming up with this crap.

Old-Timey Member
Posted
3 hours ago, notin said:

The end results are fine for now.  Devers is raking at DH.  Toro is producing.  But a few eggs were broken making this omelette…

Did I mention the omelette contained Feta cheese and pineapple?

Posted
2 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Seriously?  hahaha  You've never heard of the extremely famous line from the 1948 Boston Braves?

Spahn and Sain and Pray For Rain?

I forget the huge experience gap.  hahaha

You called this battle cry of the 1948 Boston Braves - Unpoetic? 

The irony is it was composed from a poem by Gerry Hern run in the Boston Globe on 9/14/1948!!

Sometimes it's better to not comment when you have no idea what the comment is about!!!

 

 

What the hell are you talking about?

Did anyone say they never heard of Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain?

Did anyone say you had a huge experience gap?

Did anyone call any battle cry Unpoetic?

I do agree you shouldn't comment when you have no idea what the comment is about.

 

Posted
2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

What the hell are you talking about?

Did anyone say they never heard of Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain?

Did anyone say you had a huge experience gap?

Did anyone call any battle cry Unpoetic?

I do agree you shouldn't comment when you have no idea what the comment is about.

 

You related to Cora?  Erase all the evidence!!! hahaha  What a child you are.  5 Gold Glove OF who doesn't know his baseball history so eliminates his embarrassing comment.  Way to own it!!! hahahahaha  Your love for Cora makes perfect sense now!!!

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