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Posted
56 minutes ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Anyone that starts with insults isn't worth my time.  Based on your moniker I believe I have read your ignorant comments on other sites like this one.  

You still trying for that diplomatic job with the State Department?

 

Posted
36 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not sure how many good defensive 1Bman are in the league now.

It's interesting that I have to drop the innings played in 2015 to 160 to even get 30 players. That's less than half what many FT 1Bman have in innings, so far.

There are 7 1Bmen who already are at -3 DRS or worse. (Casas was at -4 in just 235 innings. Like I said, low bar set.)

16 are at zero or negative.

Only 10 1Bman have plus OAA, which highlights how many bad ones there must be, since OAA is about what is average. 10 are above average. 4 are at average. 16 are below average.

My point, all along has been that casas set a low bar, so even just a plain bad 1Bman might be an improvement. I happen to think Devers could become decent or even average, over time, but I don't assume he would be.

IMO, the topic has been beaten to death 10 times over: just move Campbell to 1B, call up Mayer, and let's watch devers have a career year at the plate.

I agree that 1B is not a strong defensive position like in the past.  I also agree that promoting both Anthony and Mayer to support the current roster makes sense because they are better than the alternatives and provide flexibility.  I think Campbell is a better defender than Mayer at 2B so I would put Mayer at 1B.   I think Anthony could move into a rotation as 4th outfielder playing RF when Abreu sits for lefties and giving both Duran and Rafaela a day off occasionally plus he could pinch hit late in the game.

Lastly, the chances for Dever having a career are much higher as DH so amen to that suggestion because making the playoffs only happens if he does.

Posted
6 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

You still trying for that diplomatic job with the State Department?

 

Nope.  Just looking for baseball people to talk baseball with and avoiding the proud unenlightened masses that lead with insults when someone disagrees..

Posted
2 minutes ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

I agree that 1B is not a strong defensive position like in the past.  I also agree that promoting both Anthony and Mayer to support the current roster makes sense because they are better than the alternatives and provide flexibility.  I think Campbell is a better defender than Mayer at 2B so I would put Mayer at 1B.   I think Anthony could move into a rotation as 4th outfielder playing RF when Abreu sits for lefties and giving both Duran and Rafaela a day off occasionally plus he could pinch hit late in the game.

Lastly, the chances for Dever having a career are much higher as DH so amen to that suggestion because making the playoffs only happens if he does.

Anthony isn’t going to be brought up as a 4th outfielder; they aren’t going to start his clock for that.  He’ll be up if someone gets hurt and he’ll play almost every day.

Posted
Just now, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Nope.  Just looking for baseball people to talk baseball with and avoiding the proud unenlightened masses that lead with insults when someone disagrees..

My personal opinion is everyone here is part of the “unenlightened masses”.  None of us sees stuff day to day up close.  We just think we know what’s going on.

Posted
1 minute ago, illinoisredsox said:

Anthony isn’t going to be brought up as a 4th outfielder; they aren’t going to start his clock for that.  He’ll be up if someone gets hurt and he’ll play almost every day.

The concept of controlling the clock has changed with the last CBA.  I don't think we have experienced this yet but doesn't the CBA provide for a shortening of the clock if a player reaches some specific thresholds?  How does a team balance that against starting the clock too early?  Say Campbell makes ROY this year, doesn't he get rewarded with the advancement of his clock?  So, while I agree not starting the Anthony clock sooner might be a good goal does it make more sense to start it now?

If Anthony is able to perform like Campbell at a higher level than the players at his position now. that might make for a two-man ROY race in Boston which would remove the chance that each could win in 2025 and 2026 and Boston would lose clock time for both players?

I'm interested in what you think about that because since the new CBA I've wonder how the new benefits to players would be handled by organizations.

Posted
2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Mine usually doesn't either.

The bright side is that means I usually catch the sunrise over the ocean.

Just get a dog door & a fenced in yard and sleep as long as you wish.

Posted
1 hour ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

I agree that 1B is not a strong defensive position like in the past.  I also agree that promoting both Anthony and Mayer to support the current roster makes sense because they are better than the alternatives and provide flexibility.  I think Campbell is a better defender than Mayer at 2B so I would put Mayer at 1B. 

I like Mayer at SS, Story at 2B and Campbell at 1B.

Don't mess with Mayer.

Story is our best defensive 2Bman.

Campbell has yet to win any position, so it makes sense to switch him. (He's taller than Story.)

Mayer would be my last choice for 1B, of the three. (I'd almost rather have Bregman at 1B and Mayer at 3B.... ALMOST.)

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Posted
10 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Sounds good but not a fan of waking up with a stray cat or iguana in my house.

Plus, I'm an early riser anyway

I’d welcome an iguana in my house.  And I’d name him Clancy, after the underappreciated Clancy Brown, whom I have now mentioned in multiple threads in a span of minutes…

Posted
9 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Sounds good but not a fan of waking up with a stray cat or iguana in my house.

Plus, I'm an early riser anyway

With 2 dogs, we've never had a critter come in.

We started closing it at night, and when I get up to go pee around 6 am, I open the door and go back to bed- sometimes to 11 or 12 on SAT.

That's when the dogs wake us for feeding time is overdue.

What kind of dog do you have?

We have two rescue mixes. One has Blue Lacy and maybe some pitbull. The other looks like a Dalmatian-greyhound mix.

We lost our 19 1/2 year old Shpepherd-Yello Lab mix a couple years back. Best dog ever.

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Posted

So Seiya Suzuki was relegated by the Cubs to the DH role when the team acquired Kyle Tucker and was openly less than thrilled by it.

This week, Ian Happ went down.  Starting in LF tonight for the Cubs - Seiya Suzuki.  You didn’t know this because he just shut up and went out there and played …

Posted
5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

With 2 dogs, we've never had a critter come in.

We started closing it at night, and when I get up to go pee around 6 am, I open the door and go back to bed- sometimes to 11 or 12 on SAT.

That's when the dogs wake us for feeding time is overdue.

What kind of dog do you have?

We have two rescue mixes. One has Blue Lacy and maybe some pitbull. The other looks like a Dalmatian-greyhound mix.

We lost our 19 1/2 year old Shpepherd-Yello Lab mix a couple years back. Best dog ever.

I rescued a chihuahua/dachshund mix. First little dog I have ever owned. He's got a great personality.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, notin said:

I’d welcome an iguana in my house.  And I’d name him Clancy, after the underappreciated Clancy Brown, whom I have now mentioned in multiple threads in a span of minutes…

They crap everywhere, especially around the pool.

Posted
2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I like Mayer at SS, Story at 2B and Campbell at 1B.

Don't mess with Mayer.

Story is our best defensive 2Bman.

Campbell has yet to win any position, so it makes sense to switch him. (He's taller than Story.)

Mayer would be my last choice for 1B, of the three. (I'd almost rather have Bregman at 1B and Mayer at 3B.... ALMOST.)

You are an obvious Mayer fan.  I'm not.  Of all the players that you mentioned he is the weakest defender based on past performance.  That's my measuring stick for success - facts.  He's the weakest hitter among Campbell, Story, Bregman and Mayer and he's the weakest defender.  Frankly, he still has a lot more success that needs to be documented for me to believe he is as good as you think.  Maybe it will happen or maybe he'll continue to be league average like he was in the minors in all seasons except 2024. 

I hope he proves to have the skills his hype forecast but as of yet, I have very little evidence of any success or stardom by him.  If you are a fan, then I'm sure these words will aggravate you but if you go to the baseball bible (Baseball Reference) his performance is clearly documented.  An excellent 2024 and he played well in Spring Training this year then shot off his mouth about how good he was alienating many fans like me.  As good as he was in 2024, Campbell was better.  Campbell also proved his promotion to the MLB first was justified based on performance.  Anthony is now performing at a level suitable for promotion and if Mayer can continue his recent hot streak, he might EARN a spot on the major league roster as a back-up or 1B.

All I care about is documented performance.  Everything else is a projection based on a bias.  That does not stop me from rooting for all the Red Sox including Mayer, it just keeps things real by using only actual performance to judge players.  Are you aware Mayer's minor league defensive stats at SS are slightly better than Devers' were and nowhere near what Campbell did?  Heck, Boston traded Meidroth in the Crochet deal and his numbers in the minors were slightly better than Mayer's yet nobody knew his name other than hard core fans.  Why?  Mayer has had a spotlight on him since the 2021 draft when Bloom could have taken players like Colton Cowser, Jordan Lawler, Kumar Rocker, Brady House, Andrew Painter, WIll Bednar, Sal Frelick, Khalil Watson, Matt McLain, Gunner Hoglund, Trey Sweeney, Gavin Williams or Jackson Merrill, all of whom have done far more for their ballclub than Mayer.

If Mayer has the talent you think he does he needs to start catching up to his draft mates in contributing to his ballclub.  As the fourth pick, his performance to date is very disappointing considering the other options that Bloom had.

Sorry I can't agree with you on the topic of Mayer at this time.  Maybe in the future.

 

 

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Posted
9 hours ago, notin said:

I’d welcome an iguana in my house.  And I’d name him Clancy, after the underappreciated Clancy Brown, whom I have now mentioned in multiple threads in a span of minutes…

Mr. Krabs! 

Posted
8 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

You are an obvious Mayer fan.  I'm not.  Of all the players that you mentioned he is the weakest defender based on past performance.  That's my measuring stick for success - facts.  He's the weakest hitter among Campbell, Story, Bregman and Mayer and he's the weakest defender.  Frankly, he still has a lot more success that needs to be documented for me to believe he is as good as you think.  Maybe it will happen or maybe he'll continue to be league average like he was in the minors in all seasons except 2024. 

I hope he proves to have the skills his hype forecast but as of yet, I have very little evidence of any success or stardom by him.  If you are a fan, then I'm sure these words will aggravate you but if you go to the baseball bible (Baseball Reference) his performance is clearly documented.  An excellent 2024 and he played well in Spring Training this year then shot off his mouth about how good he was alienating many fans like me.  As good as he was in 2024, Campbell was better.  Campbell also proved his promotion to the MLB first was justified based on performance.  Anthony is now performing at a level suitable for promotion and if Mayer can continue his recent hot streak, he might EARN a spot on the major league roster as a back-up or 1B.

All I care about is documented performance.  Everything else is a projection based on a bias.  That does not stop me from rooting for all the Red Sox including Mayer, it just keeps things real by using only actual performance to judge players.  Are you aware Mayer's minor league defensive stats at SS are slightly better than Devers' were and nowhere near what Campbell did?  Heck, Boston traded Meidroth in the Crochet deal and his numbers in the minors were slightly better than Mayer's yet nobody knew his name other than hard core fans.  Why?  Mayer has had a spotlight on him since the 2021 draft when Bloom could have taken players like Colton Cowser, Jordan Lawler, Kumar Rocker, Brady House, Andrew Painter, WIll Bednar, Sal Frelick, Khalil Watson, Matt McLain, Gunner Hoglund, Trey Sweeney, Gavin Williams or Jackson Merrill, all of whom have done far more for their ballclub than Mayer.

If Mayer has the talent you think he does he needs to start catching up to his draft mates in contributing to his ballclub.  As the fourth pick, his performance to date is very disappointing considering the other options that Bloom had.

Sorry I can't agree with you on the topic of Mayer at this time.  Maybe in the future.

It looks like Story's defense has slipped, but that is a close call at SS between Mayer and Story. I happen to think Story would play 2B way better than Mayer, so that is why I chose the way I did.

The scouting reports say Mayer has a good arm: Story no longer does. Story is likely better with the glove and range, so I can see thinking Story > Mayer at SS D. My second choice is SS Story, 2B Mayer and 1B Campbell. It's a close second.

I don't know if Mayer (or Anthony) will dow ell or not. I do know we won't know until we find out. They are ML ready, now, and they will get a look, at some point. At some point, we should and will bite the bullet.

Right now, we have a newly created slot in the infield. We can wait, until the ideal situationa rises for Mayer- like a middle IF injury, but will we feel any more confident then?

Just rip the bandaid off. This team needs an infusion of something. Story and others are slumping, and Rafaela is in the midsts of a 2 season "slump," so let's give it a whirl. Just my opinion. I have no idea if it will work, but these kids are as ready as ever. Mayer is healthy and doing pretty well at AAA. It was always about his health.  Anthony has nothing more to prove at AAA.

When you say it's gonna happen now
Well, when exactly do you mean?
See, I've already waited too long
And all my hope is gone

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It looks like Story's defense has slipped, but that is a close call at SS between Mayer and Story. I happen to think Story would play 2B way better than Mayer, so that is why I chose the way I did.

The scouting reports say Mayer has a good arm: Story no longer does. Story is likely better with the glove and range, so I can see thinking Story > Mayer at SS D. My second choice is SS Story, 2B Mayer and 1B Campbell. It's a close second.

I don't know if Mayer (or Anthony) will dow ell or not. I do know we won't know until we find out. They are ML ready, now, and they will get a look, at some point. At some point, we should and will bite the bullet.

Right now, we have a newly created slot in the infield. We can wait, until the ideal situationa rises for Mayer- like a middle IF injury, but will we feel any more confident then?

Just rip the bandaid off. This team needs an infusion of something. Story and others are slumping, and Rafaela is in the midsts of a 2 season "slump," so let's give it a whirl. Just my opinion. I have no idea if it will work, but these kids are as ready as ever. Mayer is healthy and doing pretty well at AAA. It was always about his health.  Anthony has nothing more to prove at AAA.

When you say it's gonna happen now
Well, when exactly do you mean?
See, I've already waited too long
And all my hope is gone

 

Good post. I think a lot of fans are ready for a change from the weekly: good win/bad loss/good win/coughed-up, blown-save, terrible loss Red Sox.

I was primed for big roster changes after this 12-game stretch vs. good pitching that ends today with Tarik Cy Skubal. But with an upset win, the Mediocrities can salvage a 6-6 stretch, and if they lose like they're supposed to, will only limp home at 5-7.

I thought Thursday's off-day would be prime for the call-ups of Anthony and/or Mayer. Friday begins a long homestand, the new City Connects, and Crochet vs. Sale.

But I read on another forum that the "safe" date to call-up Anthony and Mayer and secure an additional year of control is now mid-June. CAN THE RED SOX WAIT THAT LONG TO PUT THEIR BEST TEAM ON THE FIELD?

 

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Posted
14 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

I agree that 1B is not a strong defensive position like in the past.  I also agree that promoting both Anthony and Mayer to support the current roster makes sense because they are better than the alternatives and provide flexibility.  I think Campbell is a better defender than Mayer at 2B so I would put Mayer at 1B.   I think Anthony could move into a rotation as 4th outfielder playing RF when Abreu sits for lefties and giving both Duran and Rafaela a day off occasionally plus he could pinch hit late in the game.

Lastly, the chances for Dever having a career are much higher as DH so amen to that suggestion because making the playoffs only happens if he does.

So you think the best defensive SS above A ball in the entire organization should be utilized at the easiest defensive position on the field?

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Posted
25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Just rip the bandaid off. This team needs an infusion of something. Story and others are slumping, and Rafaela is in the midsts of a 2 season "slump," so let's give it a whirl.

Rafaela has an .850 OPS in May.  He has improved his plate approach significantly.  He has a 1.6 bWAR in 39 games this year and a 4.4 bWAR in his first 219 major league games.  Throw in the extension they gave him, and this is one of the last guys they would want to replace right now.   

Posted
14 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

The concept of controlling the clock has changed with the last CBA.  I don't think we have experienced this yet but doesn't the CBA provide for a shortening of the clock if a player reaches some specific thresholds?  How does a team balance that against starting the clock too early?  Say Campbell makes ROY this year, doesn't he get rewarded with the advancement of his clock?  So, while I agree not starting the Anthony clock sooner might be a good goal does it make more sense to start it now?

If Anthony is able to perform like Campbell at a higher level than the players at his position now. that might make for a two-man ROY race in Boston which would remove the chance that each could win in 2025 and 2026 and Boston would lose clock time for both players?

I'm interested in what you think about that because since the new CBA I've wonder how the new benefits to players would be handled by organizations.

If Campbell wins ROY this year the Sox do not lose a year of team control.   

If the Sox called him up after only a few short weeks he would not have reached a full year of service time, so the Sox would of had him for this year + 6 more years of team control.  If Campbell won ROY in this scenario, the Sox would lose the current year and it would count as a full year of service time, so they'd only control him for 5 more years. 

Campbell made the opening day roster, so he can't lose the Sox a year of service time BUT he can net them a high draft pick.  EDIT. Sox aren't gaining a year of service time, it will be the same whether or not he nets a pick. 

If Roman Anthony came up and won ROY he could end up losing a year of control by winning ROY, and the Sox would NOT get the draft pick. 

I think this is going to force teams to have more conviction.  If you start a guy you plan on sticking with him, and if a player doesn't begin the year at the MLB level, you're going to think long and hard about bringing him.  Whether people agree with this or not, the Sox or someone in their position may be waiting to promote someone like Anthony to ensure he doesn't win ROY. 

Of course, we only have to go back to last year to see a team who got burned by doing exactly that.  Paul Skenes didn't start the year in the majors, but the Pirates didn't gain an extra year of control because he won ROY, but the didn't get a pick because he DIDN'T start the year in the majors. 

New CBA could be tumultuous, MLB is the only major sport without a real salary cap and their might be a very big fight over getting one into the next CBA.  A lockout for the 2027 season seems very possible at this point. 

Posted

Devers to first allows you to lengthen the lineup without hurting your defense by keeping Rafaela in the field. 

with Rafaela in CF and Devers at 1B Abreu can start 2/3 of the games in RF and 1/3 of the games at DH, Duran can play 2/3 of the games in LF and 1/3 of the games at DH.  Romany Anthony can spend 2/3 of his time playing corner outfield and 1/3 of the time playing DH. 

I don't think the Sox will add both Mayer and Anthony at the same time this year.  As exciting as that is, Rookies are still Rookies, I wouldn't expect such a good young team to win the world series.  At some point a talented team that has a veteran presence is going to cook you in the playoffs. 

But the experience may be great, and we are close to a point where you can probably call these guys up and not have to worry about losing the extra year of team control.  

The problem is, even under better circumstances where Raffy and the FO don't have this chasm between them and Raffy would be eager to get back out in the field it would still be unfair to throw him out there without any reps.  If he was going to make the move at some point this season he really should be starting to take infield practice there now.  I also think you can't ask Raffy to move to 1B at this point unless you plan on permanently keeping him there.  

So that's probably not very realistic for some time. 

It will be interesting to see how they eventually fit these guys onto the roster. 

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Posted
10 hours ago, notin said:

I’d welcome an iguana in my house.  And I’d name him Clancy, after the underappreciated Clancy Brown, whom I have now mentioned in multiple threads in a span of minutes…

If an iguana comes in my yard, it's on sight.

The pool cage keeps everything but the really small lizards out anyway. When those guys get in, the cats get to them with the quickness. 

The only thing I worry about is the bufo/cane toad (rhinella marina). 

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Posted
33 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Good post. I think a lot of fans are ready for a change from the weekly: good win/bad loss/good win/coughed-up, blown-save, terrible loss Red Sox.

I was primed for big roster changes after this 12-game stretch vs. good pitching that ends today with Tarik Cy Skubal. But with an upset win, the Mediocrities can salvage a 6-6 stretch, and if they lose like they're supposed to, will only limp home at 5-7.

I thought Thursday's off-day would be prime for the call-ups of Anthony and/or Mayer. Friday begins a long homestand, the new City Connects, and Crochet vs. Sale.

But I read on another forum that the "safe" date to call-up Anthony and Mayer and secure an additional year of control is now mid-June. CAN THE RED SOX WAIT THAT LONG TO PUT THEIR BEST TEAM ON THE FIELD?

 

Their best team on the field would include better pitching in the late innings IMO.

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Posted
9 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

You are an obvious Mayer fan.  I'm not.  Of all the players that you mentioned he is the weakest defender based on past performance.  That's my measuring stick for success - facts.  He's the weakest hitter among Campbell, Story, Bregman and Mayer and he's the weakest defender.  Frankly, he still has a lot more success that needs to be documented for me to believe he is as good as you think.  Maybe it will happen or maybe he'll continue to be league average like he was in the minors in all seasons except 2024. 

I hope he proves to have the skills his hype forecast but as of yet, I have very little evidence of any success or stardom by him.  If you are a fan, then I'm sure these words will aggravate you but if you go to the baseball bible (Baseball Reference) his performance is clearly documented.  An excellent 2024 and he played well in Spring Training this year then shot off his mouth about how good he was alienating many fans like me.  As good as he was in 2024, Campbell was better.  Campbell also proved his promotion to the MLB first was justified based on performance.  Anthony is now performing at a level suitable for promotion and if Mayer can continue his recent hot streak, he might EARN a spot on the major league roster as a back-up or 1B.

All I care about is documented performance.  Everything else is a projection based on a bias.  That does not stop me from rooting for all the Red Sox including Mayer, it just keeps things real by using only actual performance to judge players.  Are you aware Mayer's minor league defensive stats at SS are slightly better than Devers' were and nowhere near what Campbell did?  Heck, Boston traded Meidroth in the Crochet deal and his numbers in the minors were slightly better than Mayer's yet nobody knew his name other than hard core fans.  Why?  Mayer has had a spotlight on him since the 2021 draft when Bloom could have taken players like Colton Cowser, Jordan Lawler, Kumar Rocker, Brady House, Andrew Painter, WIll Bednar, Sal Frelick, Khalil Watson, Matt McLain, Gunner Hoglund, Trey Sweeney, Gavin Williams or Jackson Merrill, all of whom have done far more for their ballclub than Mayer.

If Mayer has the talent you think he does he needs to start catching up to his draft mates in contributing to his ballclub.  As the fourth pick, his performance to date is very disappointing considering the other options that Bloom had.

Sorry I can't agree with you on the topic of Mayer at this time.  Maybe in the future.

 

 

What is it in Mayer’s past performance that lead to this conclusion?

The scouting reports on Soxprospects says “Instinctual defender with fluid actions. Looks like he is gliding on the field. Soft hands and solid footwork. Moves well and has plenty of range for shortstop. Confident defender; will take a flashy infield.”

Hardly the same level of criticism…

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Posted
3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If an iguana comes in my yard, it's on sight.

The pool cage keeps everything but the really small lizards out anyway. When those guys get in, the cats get to them with the quickness. 

The only thing I worry about is the bufo/cane toad (rhinella marina). 

Your backyard sounds like an episode of “Marty Stouffer’s Wild America”.

I’m jealous…

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Posted
4 minutes ago, notin said:

Your backyard sounds like an episode of “Marty Stouffer’s Wild America”.

I’m jealous…

It does sound like fun.  

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Posted
2 minutes ago, notin said:

Your backyard sounds like an episode of “Marty Stouffer’s Wild America”.

I’m jealous…

Well, it's FL! I've seen most every FL animal in our neighborhood/town except for bears, panthers and crocs. However, our friend saw a smaller croc one town over so they are expanding their range a little bit. 

My son takes care of two salt water tanks, one fresh water, a back yard pond, two terrariums and has an extensive bone collection from his fort excavations and various travels in the woods. So I can't really get away from it even when the doors are closed. No lizards allowed inside though. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, notin said:

What is it in Mayer’s past performance that lead to this conclusion?

The scouting reports on Soxprospects says “Instinctual defender with fluid actions. Looks like he is gliding on the field. Soft hands and solid footwork. Moves well and has plenty of range for shortstop. Confident defender; will take a flashy infield.”

Hardly the same level of criticism…

Weakest defender? Mayer? Out of who? He's a much better defender than Campbell and Anthony. The only reason people see him transitioning off SS is due to his size, but they've said that about a ton of SS's who never move off position. 

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Posted

The knocks on Mayer have been: can't stay healthy, platoon issues, struggles with offspeed pitching. 

Some scouts have him ahead of Roman Anthony! 

LHP 735 OPS

Home 754 OPS (not even benefitting from WOO jet stream yet)

Late/Close 1431 OPS 👀

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