A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Are you willing to give up Arias and Clarke for Peralta? How about Jh Garcia & Valera?

no way i'd give up the password for half a season of Peralta. he's basically Nick Pivetta. that's nuts.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, cp176 said:

This team has many superfluous parts that we could live without but nobody likely would want most of them.  Trading the guys that are mentioned often like Abreau, Duran , or any of our young guys would be a massive step backwards in my opinion.  With Bergman and Yoshida coming back obviously some guys will be left without a place to play.  Many of them we just could live without.

We'd need to involve 3 teams, since trading Duran or Abreu at the deadline would normally be for prospects- not a #2 SP'er. Teams wanting Duran or Abreu will be needing their #2 SP'er, too.

Duran or Abreu to contender:

Contender send prospects to 3rd team along with some of our blocked ones.

We get team 3"s #2 SP'er, who most likely will be a rental or high priced 2 year guy.

It's possible.

I'm not giving up a top 7-8 prospect for rental, unless an extension is involved.

 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

no way i'd give up the password for half a season of Peralta. he's basically Nick Pivetta. that's nuts.

I feel that way about our 5 rookies, Garcia, Arias, Tolle, Clarke, Early and maybe even Valera.

What can we get for Cespedes & Sandlin, Romero and Paez and/or Bleis and Mullins? That's the types of deals I'm looking at.

We did get Nate for Beeks and Schwarber for Aldo, so maybe we can....

[moonslav59]

The Jays have caught the Yanks in the standings and are now tied for 1st. Both are 48-38. The Rays are 48-39!

SEA holds the last WC slot at 45-41 and is looking to add at the deadline.

43-44 TEX -2.5

42-43 LAA -2.5

43-45 BOS -3.0

MIN & CLE -4.0

KCR -5.5

[cp176]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We'd need to involve 3 teams, since trading Duran or Abreu at the deadline would normally be for prospects- not a #2 SP'er. Teams wanting Duran or Abreu will be needing their #2 SP'er, too.

Duran or Abreu to contender:

Contender send prospects to 3rd team along with some of our blocked ones.

We get team 3"s #2 SP'er, who most likely will be a rental or high priced 2 year guy.

It's possible.

I'm not giving up a top 7-8 prospect for rental, unless an extension is involved.

 

I guess I’m in that lonely camp that would not trade away any of our young players that have solid potential until we can at least figure out our best options with respect to positional play.  Right now we have too many players trying to play too many different positions on a daily basis.  The mix and match daily concept drives me nuts much like the concept of lefty righty  lefty righty.  It is a style of baseball that I just do not like. 

[notin]

9 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

no way i'd give up the password for half a season of Peralta. he's basically Nick Pivetta. that's nuts.

So you’d decline Peralta’s $8mill team option for 2026?

Also, you wouldn’t give up the Password for Pivetta?

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, notin said:

So you’d decline Peralta’s $8mill team option for 2026?

Also, you wouldn’t give up the Password for Pivetta?

yes and no.

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, cp176 said:

I guess I’m in that lonely camp that would not trade away any of our young players that have solid potential until we can at least figure out our best options with respect to positional play.  Right now we have too many players trying to play too many different positions on a daily basis.  The mix and match daily concept drives me nuts much like the concept of lefty righty  lefty righty.  It is a style of baseball that I just do not like. 

You are not alone in wanting to avoid trading any of our better prospects for rentals. I am with you on this.

With Bregman out and Meidroth traded away and Devers, too, we had to play players where they are not a good fit. (Toro has played 3B in his career, I might add.)

IMO, the Romy-Toro platoon at 1B and the Abreu-Refsnyder platoon in RF are two big reasons we are still in the WC race. I'd like to see Mayer play FT 3B, until Bregman returns, but that does not fix your "out of position" issue. Who would you play at 3B?

I was fine giving KC a very long look at 2B, but he was doing very badly on defense, and then he seemed to totally lose his batting skills. That went on for a very long time, too. DHam has a very nice 2024, so I can at least understand why they gave him a lot of reps vs RHPs. I'm not sure what other options we had, other than Mayer at 2B (out of position) and then Toro at 3B (not 1B, where he has played good D.)

Some players have not worked out, and Cora made changes- kinda like taking Weissert out when he was sucking.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, notin said:

So you’d decline Peralta’s $8mill team option for 2026?

Also, you wouldn’t give up the Password for Pivetta?

I wasn't aware of Peralta's 2026 low cost option. Why is MIL trading him, then?

If they are looking to cut $8M, then they would not want Duran, but maybe they'd take Abreu.

I'd like to keep the RHB, Garcia, but for 1.3 years of Peralta, I'd do it. I'd add Mullins, too.

[cp176]

43 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You are not alone in wanting to avoid trading any of our better prospects for rentals. I am with you on this.

With Bregman out and Meidroth traded away and Devers, too, we had to play players where they are not a good fit. (Toro has played 3B in his career, I might add.)

IMO, the Romy-Toro platoon at 1B and the Abreu-Refsnyder platoon in RF are two big reasons we are still in the WC race. I'd like to see Mayer play FT 3B, until Bregman returns, but that does not fix your "out of position" issue. Who would you play at 3B?

I was fine giving KC a very long look at 2B, but he was doing very badly on defense, and then he seemed to totally lose his batting skills. That went on for a very long time, too. DHam has a very nice 2024, so I can at least understand why they gave him a lot of reps vs RHPs. I'm not sure what other options we had, other than Mayer at 2B (out of position) and then Toro at 3B (not 1B, where he has played good D.)

Some players have not worked out, and Cora made changes- kinda like taking Weissert out when he was sucking.

I n Toros particular case, I think that he has done a good job at first.   I think that putting him at third for whatever reason likely makes us weaker defensively.  Even though it looks obvious to me that when Bregman returns, Mayer is going to second, I would have liked seeing him at third for now.  Rather than shifting players around for whatever the reason might be, I would probably be that guy who would use Hamilton at second base as long as he is on the roster.  

[notin]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

yes and no.

The Password is not likely to get a better pitcher than Pivetta.  And any package for an ace caliber pitcher that includes him can easily be reworked without him.  He’s not the main piece in any such deal…

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I wasn't aware of Peralta's 2026 low cost option. Why is MIL trading him, then?

If they are looking to cut $8M, then they would not want Duran, but maybe they'd take Abreu.

I'd like to keep the RHB, Garcia, but for 1.3 years of Peralta, I'd do it. I'd add Mullins, too.

I’m actually not so sure Milwaukee as any intentions of trading Peralta unless they get blown away.  Peralta is also reportedly interested in extending…

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, cp176 said:

I n Toros particular case, I think that he has done a good job at first.   I think that putting him at third for whatever reason likely makes us weaker defensively.  Even though it looks obvious to me that when Bregman returns, Mayer is going to second, I would have liked seeing him at third for now.  Rather than shifting players around for whatever the reason might be, I would probably be that guy who would use Hamilton at second base as long as he is on the roster.  

The Devers move to DH then trade, added with the Meidroth trade and injuries to our starting corner IF'ers (Bregman & Casas) forced the scramble to cobble together some sort of plan to cover 3B, 1B and also 2B.

Toro is much better at 1B, but he's played over 3 times the innings at 3B in his career, and many more than Mayer has played, there. 1295 at 1B, 1047 at 2B and just 344 at 1B, counting the 254 from 2025. He had less than 100 innings at 1B, before Casas went down.

I don't like seeing Toro at 3B. I'd prefer Mayer FT, until Breg returns. I'm not sure we need to try and fix 1B, at the deadline, since the Toro-Romy platoons is doing better than all but 2-3 other positions on the team.

2B has been a complete mess since Pedey got hurt. We've seen two half seasons of decency at 2B, since Pedey. (I'm not counting Nunez in 2018.)

Kike & Story. That's it. We even traded Sale to try and fix 2B. We turbo-charged KC's promotion to try and fix it. It's been one major catastrophe for way too long.

[harmony]

5 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

yes and no.

How does any team decline an $8 million option on Freddy Peralta, a barely 29-year-old right-hander who has posted a 3.57 ERA since the start of the 2023 season while ranking 11th among all pitchers in starts?

Over those two-and-a-half seasons, Peralta has posted 6.9 fWAR valued at $55 million.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, notin said:

I’m actually not so sure Milwaukee as any intentions of trading Peralta unless they get blown away.  Peralta is also reportedly interested in extending…

Now that I know he has an $8M option for 2026 and a willingness to extend, I'd add more to my suggested offer for his services. He does meet my skill level for a solid #2 behind Crochet.

I know you have to give big to get quality pitching, and the Crochet deal showed us that, but it also showed us it can be well worth the sacrifices. Emphasis on the "s" for plural, because we'll have to give up more than one prospect, unless MIL covets Duran or Abreu, in which case we could maybe have to just add 1-2 decent prospects, with likely 1 being a non 40 man/non Rule 5 type prospect.

Abreu, Romero & Mullins or Sandlin?

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, harmony said:

How does any team decline an $8 million option on Freddy Peralta...

I think he meant "No and Yes"

No, they will not decline the option.

Yes, Garcia might get someone like Pivetta, tops.

[Duran Is The Man]

6 hours ago, harmony said:

How does any team decline an $8 million option on Freddy Peralta, a barely 29-year-old right-hander who has posted a 3.57 ERA since the start of the 2023 season while ranking 11th among all pitchers in starts?

Over those two-and-a-half seasons, Peralta has posted 6.9 fWAR valued at $55 million.

should have just kept Pivetta then.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

should have just kept Pivetta then.

Certainly over Buehler.

[Duran Is The Man]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Certainly over Buehler.

they keep betting on these rehab projects and they never seem to pan out.

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

they keep betting on these rehab projects and they never seem to pan out.

Indeed, and they think going up a notch in spending will make a difference.

$6M Perez

$16M Richards & Perez

$15M Kluber & Paxton

$17M Wacha, Hill, Paxton

$18M Giolito

$48M Gio, Sandoval & Buehler

[Larry Cook]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Indeed, and they think going up a notch in spending will make a difference.

$6M Perez

$16M Richards & Perez

$15M Kluber & Paxton

$17M Wacha, Hill, Paxton

$18M Giolito

$48M Gio, Sandoval & Buehler

Wow!!!  Giolita has not been terrible since his train wreck start to the year!!!!

beuhler struggles with command and control!!

That is a ton of money to spend on reclamation projects 

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Wow!!!  Giolita has not been terrible since his train wreck start to the year!!!!

beuhler struggles with command and control!!

That is a ton of money to spend on reclamation projects 

Until the Crochet extension, not a single "new" dollar was spent on anything but reclamation projects.

From the Sale/Nate deals to Crochet, unless you count the Bello extension.

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Wow!!!  Giolita has not been terrible since his train wreck start to the year!!!!

beuhler struggles with command and control!!

That is a ton of money to spend on reclamation projects 

Had we spent it all on one pitcher on a 5 year deal, maybe we'd have done better.

[mvp 78]

22 hours ago, notin said:

So you’d decline Peralta’s $8mill team option for 2026?

Also, you wouldn’t give up the Password for Pivetta?

For a .500 team I wouldn’t.

[moonslav59]

Off to Cancun for 5 days. Go Sox!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

For a .500 team I wouldn’t.

The Sox didn't make the playoffs with Pivetta in '22-24. One more veteran starting pitcher isn't going to win the World Series for Boston. Neither is adding a veteran first baseman or another recycled reliever. 

Teams in a rebuild -- like the 2025 Red Sox -- don't trade an all-around prospect, especially with right-handed power, like Garcia unless he's part of larger deal that brings back a package that includes other MLB-ready prospects.

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The Sox didn't make the playoffs with Pivetta in '22-24. One more veteran starting pitcher isn't going to win the World Series for Boston. Neither is adding a veteran first baseman or another recycled reliever. 

Teams in a rebuild -- like the 2025 Red Sox -- don't trade an all-around prospect, especially with right-handed power, like Garcia unless he's part of larger deal that brings back a package that includes other MLB-ready prospects.

The Sox need like 6 new startersthis year to be a playoff team. Mayer, Anthony, Campbell and others may get there someday but aren’t there yet. Just trade the expiring deals and stock up for future years. 

[Larry Cook]

Do we think bres-slow would have any interest in cease, if cease hits free agency??? 
 

 

[vegasbob]

How about this fact.  The BlueJays, TB Rays and Yankees are in a 1 game separation atop the AL East while we are 1 under .500, after the Nats  first game blowout.   Sox are 5 games back.   

Whether it's roster construction, FO actions, manager, batting or pitching over the past 3 seasons, this is not a good result.  Toronto and Tampa Bay are ahead of us with limited resources and no truly great players.

Kevin Cash may be the best manager around and credit to his staff for making winners out of  the Rays. Notably the Rays starting 5 pitchers have had no injuries this year .  Someone besides Bloom should , by now, figure out how the Rays do it year after year.    

The Red Sox do not know how to win consistently . That is someone's issue to figure out asap.

[Maxbialystock]

On 7/3/2025 at 6:47 AM, cp176 said:

I guess I’m in that lonely camp that would not trade away any of our young players that have solid potential until we can at least figure out our best options with respect to positional play.  Right now we have too many players trying to play too many different positions on a daily basis.  The mix and match daily concept drives me nuts much like the concept of lefty righty  lefty righty.  It is a style of baseball that I just do not like. 

Agree on young players, but this season the Sox have already played 4 rookies. You need some veterans too.  

Without going wild and giving up someone who should be kept, I would like the Sox to be buyers/traders come the 31st.   They need pitching.  The lineup looks fine to me.