Article: Aroldis Chapman Doesn’t Begin To Solve Red Sox’ Bullpen Woes

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i fully believe the Sox will not only miss out on Soto, they'll miss out on Burnes and Fried and the sham will continue.

That's always been the most likely outcome. 

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i fully believe the Sox will not only miss out on Soto, they'll miss out on Burnes and Fried and the sham will continue.

I'll be bummed but not surprised. 

I expect something like Nate or Pivetta and/or some sort of moderate to major trade (Crochet or Pablo Lopez?), maybe Holmes or Estevez, a Danny Jansen type catcher on a 1 or 2 year deal.  Maybe some type of deal to improve our hitting vs LHPs. (Abreu for a RHB?)

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

That's always been the most likely outcome. 

Sad, but true.

The let down will be higher, because the thought will be that we left the $600+M for Soto on the table by not spending it on other big names. (We could get two big FAs for Soto money- maybe not AAV but surely total money.)

[Bellhorn04]

We have no clue what they're going to do.

Pretty sure no one had Justin Wilson and Aroldis Chapman on their lists of likely Sox acquisitions.

[notin]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Disagree, because it all adds up and the tax thresholds and penalties obviously still matter plenty. 

But this deal is one year.  Not like he was signed for 4 years $44mill…

[notin]

22 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

We have no clue what they're going to do.

Pretty sure no one had Justin Wilson and Aroldis Chapman on their lists of likely Sox acquisitions.

I have Wilson on my list of “Players Most Likely To Be Released Before August is Over”.  Does that count for anything?

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

I have Wilson on my list of “Players Most Likely To Be Released Before August is Over”. 

Kinda like Joely, Chase Anderson and jacques, last winter.

[Bellhorn04]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

But this deal is one year.  Not like he was signed for 4 years $44mill…

True, but I was thinking in terms of a front office that has stayed under the first tax line 4 out of the last 5 years.  Somehow I don't think they really look at 10.75 mill as chump change.  

[Hitch]

I think if they miss out on Soto they will go hard on at least Fried and overpay if needed, I should think. 

They know how it will look if they miss out on everyone. 

They'll spend a lot of money one way or another this year, I'm pretty confident., 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The one-year contract to Chapman to me means they're just trying to cross another bridge year. 

Not that I want a garage-shooting reliever for multiple seasons -- but where's the investment in pieces needed to complete that core of sustained annual contenders? Wait til next week?

And for those who say the Red Sox never beat the Yankees in the bidding for top talent, remember Dice K -- the Yamamoto Sasaki of his day. And then the most-hyped amateur prospect from Cuba, Yoan Moncada... The Sox outbid the Yanks for both, and each helped win World Series (in their own ways).

Still can't see the pinstripers letting Soto go to Beantown. They need him more than we do... in the very least, so he's not on our side.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The one-year contract to Chapman to me means they're just trying to cross another bridge year. 

Not that I want a garage-shooting reliever for multiple seasons -- but where's the investment in pieces needed to complete that core of sustained annual contenders? Wait til next week?

And for those who say the Red Sox never beat the Yankees in the bidding for top talent, remember Dice K -- the Yamamoto Sasaki of his day. And then the most-hyped amateur prospect from Cuba, Yoan Moncada... The Sox outbid the Yanks for both, and each helped win World Series (in their own ways).

Dice-K was a blind auction.  I can't even remember how the Moncada thing worked.    

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Dice-K was a blind auction.  I can't even remember how the Moncada thing worked.    

Moncada was an Int'l free agent under the old bonus pool rules. No different than any other teen signing at the time. They got a 100% tax on his contract since they cleared the bonus limit and were unable to spend more than $300k on any one Int'l signing the following two years. Two years later, they weren't even allowed to sign Int'l guys because of their shenanigans. In 2017, the CBA created a spending cap which no longer allowed teams to go over. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Moncada was an Int'l free agent under the old bonus pool rules. No different than any other teen signing at the time. They got a 100% tax on his contract since they cleared the bonus limit and were unable to spend more than $300k on any one Int'l signing the following two years. Two years later, they weren't even allowed to sign Int'l guys because of their shenanigans. In 2017, the CBA created a spending cap which no longer allowed teams to go over. 

OK, thanks.

[notin]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Kinda like Joely, Chase Anderson and jacques, last winter.

But I was always wrong about Kaleb Ort…

[notin]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

True, but I was thinking in terms of a front office that has stayed under the first tax line 4 out of the last 5 years.  Somehow I don't think they really look at 10.75 mill as chump change.  

The franchise is worth $4.05 billion; it’s chump change…

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

The franchise is worth $4.05 billion; it’s chump change…

Yeah, it'd be nice if they saw things that way too, we wouldn't have sucked so bad the last 3 years.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Dice-K was a blind auction.  I can't even remember how the Moncada thing worked.    

Someone was blind scouting Yoshida... at least near-sighted.

"I know we're sitting behind the backstop, but from here, it looks... he is -- he's pumping iron in the dugout! Masa's throwing around dumbbells like they're inflated with air! Get Boras on the phone now."

[moonslav59]

55 minutes ago, notin said:

But I was always wrong about Kaleb Ort…

and Ryan Brasier.

[Thunder]

I like the Chapman signing. Low risk, high reward. I got to watch him up close here in Pittsburgh last year. He was basically lights out until the end of July, at which point he ran out of gas. If we use him sparingly/conservatively/wisely, we may be able to get him to last longer than late July.