Do Not Trade The Big 3

[mvp 78]

I need to hear more from the folks who follow prospects for a living whether Kristian Campbell has made it a Big 4.

 

I've heard that he's still outside the big 3. Lots of scouts still don't believe in his swing mechanics (Hunter Pence-esque).

[mvp 78]

I was about to type this.

 

Soon, Cespedes might make it 5!

 

He broke his foot, so I don't think it'll be that soon. Plus, he's not really a SS and will have to find a new position.

[moonslav59]

I've heard that he's still outside the big 3. Lots of scouts still don't believe in his swing mechanics (Hunter Pence-esque).

 

He’s closed the gap between 3 and 4!

[moonslav59]

He broke his foot, so I don't think it'll be that soon. Plus, he's not really a SS and will have to find a new position.

 

True, hence the “might.”

[mvp 78]

I'm OK with trading Teel but only for something very special, like in a trade for Guererro Jr.

 

While I like Teel, in two years J.Garcia can be where Teel is today. They have the depth in the system to replace Teel, and Wong can hold down the starting job at the major league level while Garcia develops.

 

I would not trade Anthony, Mayer, or Campbell, but am open to trading Teel.

 

Garcia's defense is far behind Teel's. Garcia has a big bat, but even that may not be 1 to 1 with Teel.

 

Mayer is much easier to part with IMO.

[Dipre]

Garcia's defense is far behind Teel's. Garcia has a big bat, but even that may not be 1 to 1 with Teel.

 

Mayer is much easier to part with IMO.

 

Did Mayer advise you to invest in Crypto in 2021?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I've heard that he's still outside the big 3. Lots of scouts still don't believe in his swing mechanics (Hunter Pence-esque).

 

Hunter Pence had 30 career WAR, four All-Star games, two rings, five-time NL OF assist leader, with 162-game average: 23 HR, 89 RBI, .279/.794 in 14 years...

 

... stacks up similarly with another rightfielder (though lefty) Trot Nixon: 21.2 WAR, 20 HR, 82 RBI, .274/.828 in 12 years.

 

Pence, who was taller than Nixon, was more of a diver -- like Campbell, who is all about weight shift on contact. Trot was better after he learned to lean back (after gaining considerable bulk in the bigs).

[mvp 78]

Hunter Pence had 30 career WAR, four All-Star games, two rings, five-time NL OF assist leader, with 162-game average: 23 HR, 89 RBI, .279/.794 in 14 years...

 

... stacks up similarly with another rightfielder (though lefty) Trot Nixon: 21.2 WAR, 20 HR, 82 RBI, .274/.828 in 12 years.

 

Pence, who was taller than Nixon, was more of a diver -- like Campbell, who is all about weight shift on contact. Trot was better after he learned to lean back (after gaining considerable bulk in the bigs).

 

I like Campbell more than these scouts do.

[mvp 78]

Did Mayer advise you to invest in Crypto in 2021?

 

Bored japes.

[Tedballgame]

I need to hear more from the folks who follow prospects for a living whether Kristian Campbell has made it a Big 4.

 

He's making a case to be in Big 4. Really hitting well this season.

[Hugh2]

He's making a case to be in Big 4. Really hitting well this season.

 

What concerns a ton of scouts is his swing, he's putting up the numbers in the minors but some people question if it will translate into the bigs. MLB pitching might be able to expose the holes in it the minor leaguers can not.

 

But, I'm still loving what he's doing, and I hope he proves the nay-sayers wrong.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Not for 1.3 yrs of a guy having a somewhat down year.

 

Look at what the Yankees gave up for one year of Soto: Drew Thorpe (somewhat comparable to Teel) and were willing to throw in M.King who had a 3.3 WAR in 2023 as a major league pitcher. I'm willing to expand the deal for Guerrero Jr. by including some second tier prospects along with Teel, such as Lugo and Blaze Jordan. That offer would come in below what the Padres received for Soto.

 

The Red Sox would spend the offseason trying to sign Guererro Jr. to a long term deal but the trade wouldn't be contingent on it.

 

While Guererro Jr.'s name has been floated around in trade rumors this year, there is speculation that the Blue Jays will not trade him and that they will try to resign him to a long term deal in the offseason.

[Old Red]

Look at what the Yankees gave up for one year of Soto: Drew Thorpe (somewhat comparable to Teel) and were willing to throw in M.King who had a 3.3 WAR in 2023 as a major league pitcher. I'm willing to expand the deal for Guerrero Jr. by including some second tier prospects along with Teel, such as Lugo and Blaze Jordan. That offer would come in below what the Padres received for Soto.

 

The Red Sox would spend the offseason trying to sign Guererro Jr. to a long term deal but the trade wouldn't be contingent on it.

 

While Guererro Jr.'s name has been floated around in trade rumors this year, there is speculation that the Blue Jays will not trade him and that they will try to resign him to a long term deal in the offseason.

 

I don’t see the Red Sox doing any long term big money contracts like it would take to sign Vlad Jr. I think it will take all the effort they got just to get a starting pitcher good enough to plug into the rotation, which is much needed.

[Hugh2]

They won’t get much more than that from anyone for 1.3 years of a players who’s had one elite year and aside from that is good not great.

 

BTV, values that trade as an overpay for Boston. I figure Boston would have to slightly overpay regardless.

 

If Toronto believes their window is closed, they won’t do much better. Sox trade away one of their best prospects, possibly there best outside the “Big 3” a kid who is a little further away and is likely a 2B anyways.

 

Toronto doesn’t do this deal if they think they can compete in 2025.

[Hugh2]

Look at what the Yankees gave up for one year of Soto: Drew Thorpe (somewhat comparable to Teel) and were willing to throw in M.King who had a 3.3 WAR in 2023 as a major league pitcher. I'm willing to expand the deal for Guerrero Jr. by including some second tier prospects along with Teel, such as Lugo and Blaze Jordan. That offer would come in below what the Padres received for Soto.

 

The Red Sox would spend the offseason trying to sign Guererro Jr. to a long term deal but the trade wouldn't be contingent on it.

 

While Guererro Jr.'s name has been floated around in trade rumors this year, there is speculation that the Blue Jays will not trade him and that they will try to resign him to a long term deal in the offseason.

 

I mean….Soto is on a different island.

[notin]

Look at what the Yankees gave up for one year of Soto: Drew Thorpe (somewhat comparable to Teel) and were willing to throw in M.King who had a 3.3 WAR in 2023 as a major league pitcher. I'm willing to expand the deal for Guerrero Jr. by including some second tier prospects along with Teel, such as Lugo and Blaze Jordan. That offer would come in below what the Padres received for Soto.

 

The Red Sox would spend the offseason trying to sign Guererro Jr. to a long term deal but the trade wouldn't be contingent on it.

 

While Guererro Jr.'s name has been floated around in trade rumors this year, there is speculation that the Blue Jays will not trade him and that they will try to resign him to a long term deal in the offseason.

 

Guerrero is a pipe dream. The Sox have been trying to extend Casas…

[moonslav59]

I like Vladdy, despite having only an .806 OPS since 2022.

Having another year of control is nice.

He'd surely fill our need for a power RHB.

 

I just do not think 1B/DH is even close to a high need area.

 

I would not trade a top 5-6 prospect for him, at the deadline. I guess I might give up Bleis and Meidroth or Lugo. I might give up 2-3 prospects below #6, but avoid giving more than 1 pitching prospect from Fitts, Sandlin and Perales.

 

I'd rather we focus on SP, SP, RP, SS and maybe swap out a LHB for a RHB (OF, SS, 2B, 1B.)

[Larry Cook]

Mayer, Anthony, teel, cespedes, Campbell and blies have to be very close to untouchable.

[notin]

Mayer, Anthony, teel, cespedes, Campbell and blies have to be very close to untouchable.

 

So… no earth-shattering trades?

 

Garret Crochet is on the block. Unless your offer is offer is headlined by Nick Yorke or David Sandlin…

[notin]

I like Vladdy, despite having only an .806 OPS since 2022.

Having another year of control is nice.

He'd surely fill our need for a power RHB.

 

I just do not think 1B/DH is even close to a high need area.

 

I would not trade a top 5-6 prospect for him, at the deadline. I guess I might give up Bleis and Meidroth or Lugo. I might give up 2-3 prospects below #6, but avoid giving more than 1 pitching prospect from Fitts, Sandlin and Perales.

 

I'd rather we focus on SP, SP, RP, SS and maybe swap out a LHB for a RHB (OF, SS, 2B, 1B.)

 

I like my simple plan.

 

One from Eflin, Eovaldi, Kikuchi or Tyler Anderson

One RHH bat that can be worked into the lineup. Mark Canha is an excellent fit

One dirt cheap start solely for depth. Chris Flexen fills this need.

One second baseman (if necessary)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I like my simple plan.

 

One from Eflin, Eovaldi, Kikuchi or Tyler Anderson

One RHH bat that can be worked into the lineup. Mark Canha is an excellent fit

One dirt cheap start solely for depth. Chris Flexen fills this need.

One second baseman (if necessary)

 

I like this plan, because none of these acquisitions will require dealing one of the Big 3.

 

As for the second baseman, here's an idea sure to make the forum explode: the Sox have another prospect currently out-hitting not just the Big 3, but nearly everyone in professional baseball. Kristian Campbell was the Player of the Month each of the past two months at two levels, and is currently batting over .400 with an OPS higher than Judge or Ohtani for Portland (118 ABs).

 

A guy that hot is knocking down doors. If Campbell keeps crushing for another month, the Red Sox could do worse than bring him up to blast away in a pennant race; it may take at least another month for pitchers to write a book on him... If you think the Henry Sox will worry about rushing a kid and ruining him for life, remember, he'll only cost MLB minimum wage.

[Bellhorn04]

So… no earth-shattering trades?

 

Garret Crochet is on the block. Unless your offer is offer is headlined by Nick Yorke or David Sandlin…

 

Larry is still in sell mode.

[Dipre]

I like Vlad Jr. but don't understand the hard-on for him. He has conditioning issues, and his power has all but evaporated, probably with that being a factor.

[Bellhorn04]

I like Vlad Jr. but don't understand the hard-on for him. He has conditioning issues, and his power has all but evaporated, probably with that being a factor.

 

2024 OPS+ 130

Career OPS+ 131

 

He might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not gonna be in Boston, though.

[Dipre]

2024 OPS+ 130

Career OPS+ 131

 

He might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not gonna be in Boston, though.

 

2024 SLG%: 455.

 

We're talking about a bat-first player who can't do anything except hit.

[Bellhorn04]

2024 SLG%: 455.

 

We're talking about a bat-first player who can't do anything except hit.

 

Yeah, I'm not really disagreeing. I'm just guessing that if he hooked up with a good hitting coach he might do better.

 

There's no room for him with the Sox.

[Dipre]

Yeah, I'm not really disagreeing. I'm just guessing that if he hooked up with a good hitting coach he might do better.

 

I think it's a conditioning issue, not a coaching issue. As a fat guy I can tell you being fatter than usual f***s you up.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it's a conditioning issue, not a coaching issue. As a fat guy I can tell you being fatter than usual f***s you up.

 

Some people think Devers is fat too, though. These are guys with big bodies no matter what they do.

 

You made me look up Vlad's season log, and he's not really doing much different than he did the last 2 years. 2021 is looking like a big outlier.

[Dipre]

Some people think Devers is fat too, though. These are guys with big bodies no matter what they do.

 

You made me look up Vlad's season log, and he's not really doing much different than he did the last 2 years. 2021 is looking like a big outlier.

 

I don't think Devers and Vlad are comparable, as you can argue Devers is the better athlete. That's why he still plays the field and Vlad does not.

 

Guerrero hit the ball very hard, but needs improvement to his launch angle from what I've gathered. There's something there.

[notin]

2024 OPS+ 130

Career OPS+ 131

 

He might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not gonna be in Boston, though.

 

 

And Casas has a career OPS+ of 127. Is this really a significant upgrade?