Bello and Rafaela Extensions

[Bellhorn04]

He’s also only 25.

 

If the Sox gave Houck that extension last year, it would have been questioned all year, but it would look genius this season…

 

Ifs buts candy nuts.

 

Not much we're doing looking like genius.

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox top pitching prospect Luis Perales left yesterday’s game at Portland with an arm injury

[Tedballgame]

Perales was averaging 15 strikeouts per 9 innings

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bello and Rafaela are inexperienced and not big league stars, but aren't really part of the overall problem.

 

They both have above-average talent, and are young enough to improve and become part of a core that someday wins in Boston.

 

Their contracts don't equate to superstar pay and may even look like bargains in the future, especially compared to salaries the Sox keep dishing out to broken-down guys in their 30s on rehab.

[moonslav59]

Bello and Rafaela are inexperienced and not big league stars, but aren't really part of the overall problem.

 

They both have above-average talent, and are young enough to improve and become part of a core that someday wins in Boston.

 

Their contracts don't equate to superstar pay and may even look like bargains in the future, especially compared to salaries the Sox keep dishing out to broken-down guys in their 30s on rehab.

 

I'm more than fine with extensions like these. In hindsight, I wish we had extended Houck, but yes, we need to start hitting on some of our FA signings.

 

13/10 Devers (results pending but off to a good start)

145/5 Sale (bust)

140/6 Story (bust with a chance to change to just a bad signing)

90/5 Yoshida (see Story)

68/4 Nate (meh)

60/3 Bogey (good but opted out)

39/2 Giolito (bust)

 

Had we hit on 3 or 4 of these 7, we likely would not have had so many last place finishes. (3 of the top 4 have been failures)

[Randy Red Sox]

red sox top pitching prospect luis perales left yesterday’s game at portland with an arm injury

 

ffs

[Randy Red Sox]

I'm more than fine with extensions like these. In hindsight, I wish we had extended Houck, but yes, we need to start hitting on some of our FA signings.

 

13/10 Devers (results pending but off to a good start)

145/5 Sale (bust)

140/6 Story (bust with a chance to change to just a bad signing)

90/5 Yoshida (see Story)

68/4 Nate (meh)

60/3 Bogey (good but opted out)

39/2 Giolito (bust)

 

Had we hit on 3 or 4 of these 7, we likely would not have had so many last place finishes. (3 of the top 4 have been failures)

 

Giolito is actually 39 for ONE {if we are lucky}. the real scary thought is that since we have THREE pitchers signed for next year who won't throw a pitch in 2024 we probably won't be spending on P again this offseason

[moonslav59]

Giolito is actually 39 for ONE {if we are lucky}. the real scary thought is that since we have THREE pitchers signed for next year who won't throw a pitch in 2024 we probably won't be spending on P again this offseason

 

We are losing 3, too, so who knows:

Pivetta

Jansen

Martin

 

I think we may skimp on the pen (Hendricks>Jansen and Whitlock/Fulmer> Martin,) but we should add a SP'er.

 

I'd add 2 solid or even 3.

[Randy Red Sox]

We are losing 3, too, so who knows:

Pivetta

Jansen

Martin

 

I think we may skimp on the pen (Hendricks>Jansen and Whitlock/Fulmer> Martin,) but we should add a SP'er.

 

I'd add 2 solid or even 3.

 

they'll add NONE probably other than a Kluber type or 2 for "depth". I actually expect them to bring back Pivetta because he is fairly durable and will be cheap.

[notin]

Ifs buts candy nuts.

 

Not much we're doing looking like genius.

 

Especially our early judgments

 

You can’t (re:shouldn’t) just a 5 year contract after 2 months…

[Bellhorn04]

Especially our early judgments

 

You can’t (re:shouldn’t) just a 5 year contract after 2 months…

 

True, it's just something to jabber about.

[moonslav59]

they'll add NONE probably other than a Kluber type or 2 for "depth". I actually expect them to bring back Pivetta because he is fairly durable and will be cheap.

 

I have mentioned extending Pivetta, even before his resurgence last year and this year.

 

It might be more costly, now, but I could see it happening. His stint on the IL is concerning, and I don't trust Sox docs to judge the likelihood of further injury, but every pitcher, these days, is a dice roll on injury.

 

I'm not expecting a major rotation addition, but losing Jansen ($16M), Pivetta ($7.5M and Martin ($7.5M) does allow us to add a SP'er and still cut spending, again for 2025.

 

Replacing O'Neill's $5.9M with another equally costly RHB DH/OF-1B type should not be too hard.

 

We don't have big arb raises pending.

 

Arb 3: McGuire & Joely

Arb 2: none

Arb 1: Houck, Crawford, Duran will get significant raises, but first arb years are not usually all that big. (also, Dalbec, Reyes & Heinemena are ARB 1s)

 

IMO, we can spend the exact same as this year and use the $38M on departing FAs to pay for arb raises and a decent SP'er in the $14-20M range. If we look at this year's success or semi-success stories (so far), it could be someone like:

 

Lugo $15M x 4

Imanaga $13.3M x 5

Stroman $18.5M x 2

Wacah $16M x 2

Manaea $14M x 2

R Lopez $10M x 3

Flaherty $14M x 1

 

Next year's crop has some that will be out of JH's price range, but here is one list I found:

 

Burnes

Fried

Flaherty

Pivetta

Lorenzen

Scherzer

Beiber

Corbin

Morton

Stripling

Heaney

Kikuchi

[Tedballgame]

We are losing 3, too, so who knows:

Pivetta

Jansen

Martin

 

I think we may skimp on the pen (Hendricks>Jansen and Whitlock/Fulmer> Martin,) but we should add a SP'er.

 

I'd add 2 solid or even 3.

 

I don't think Whitlock will contribute much in 2025.

[moonslav59]

I don't think Whitlock will contribute much in 2025.

 

True. Maybe after July from the pen, but I doubt much.

 

I don't think Henriks and Fulmer = Jansen and Martin, so I do think we add a pitcher of two.

 

To me, 2 SPers would be min.

 

2 SP'ers and a SP/RP would be better.

[mvp 78]

Especially our early judgments

 

You can’t (re:shouldn’t) just a 5 year contract after 2 months…

 

They shouldn't have given him this much money as it's clearly an overpayment if he has to earn it with production that we are projecting on him years from now. Why give a player an extension if it's not a deal for the team? They gave him #2 extension money. He's not that right now.

[mvp 78]

Bello and Rafaela are inexperienced and not big league stars, but aren't really part of the overall problem.

 

They both have above-average talent, and are young enough to improve and become part of a core that someday wins in Boston.

 

Their contracts don't equate to superstar pay and may even look like bargains in the future, especially compared to salaries the Sox keep dishing out to broken-down guys in their 30s on rehab.

 

They are players that aren't performing NOW and are overpaid NOW which will limit the amount of spending this team can do NOW. It's one thing to give a player a raise if they are actually productive on the field. They are not being paid what they would earn on the open market. Bello blows up once a game and acts like a brat.

[mvp 78]

Red Sox top pitching prospect Luis Perales left yesterday’s game at Portland with an arm injury

 

That's what happens with pitching prospects these days.

[mvp 78]

Giolito is actually 39 for ONE {if we are lucky}. the real scary thought is that since we have THREE pitchers signed for next year who won't throw a pitch in 2024 we probably won't be spending on P again this offseason

 

Giolito, Hendriks and Murphy? Not sure how you include Murphy with the other two.

[mvp 78]

I don't think Whitlock will contribute much in 2025.

 

He got the brace procedure and will be throwing in ST. I think it should be managed bullpen innings going forward like 2021.

[notin]

He got the brace procedure and will be throwing in ST. I think it should be managed bullpen innings going forward like 2021.

 

It should be. But they’ll probably at still stick him in there until his arm completely separates from his shoulder…

[Old Red]

They are players that aren't performing NOW and are overpaid NOW which will limit the amount of spending this team can do NOW. It's one thing to give a player a raise if they are actually productive on the field. They are not being paid what they would earn on the open market. Bello blows up once a game and acts like a brat.

 

A BIG BABY brat at that.

[mvp 78]

It should be. But they’ll probably at still stick him in there until his arm completely separates from his shoulder…

 

I don't think that sounds good at all.

[moonslav59]

Giolito, Hendriks and Murphy? Not sure how you include Murphy with the other two.

 

Hendriks is supposed to pitch in August 2024. Maybe he meant Fulmer, who does fit with Murphy.

[notin]

Giolito, Hendriks and Murphy? Not sure how you include Murphy with the other two.

 

Murphy will carry their bags. Those other guys had arm surgery, after all…

[moonslav59]

Red Sox top pitching prospect Luis Perales left yesterday’s game at Portland with an arm injury

 

Double-A Portland placed Perales on its 7-day injured list Sunday with right elbow inflammation Sunday, Alex Speier of The Boston Globe reports.

[mvp 78]

Hendriks is supposed to pitch in August 2024. Maybe he meant Fulmer, who does fit with Murphy.

 

Fulmer is on a minor league deal. Not sure how he even compares with the first two? Sign me up for 5 guys like Fulmer every year on minor league deals.

[mvp 78]

Murphy will carry their bags. Those other guys had arm surgery, after all…

 

Murphy had UCL surgery. I wouldn't want him carrying anyone's bags for a long time.

[mvp 78]

Double-A Portland placed Perales on its 7-day injured list Sunday with right elbow inflammation Sunday, Alex Speier of The Boston Globe reports.

 

I hope they can just rest him and go easy on him this year. He's never thrown over 90 innings in a season and has a long injury history.

[moonslav59]

Murphy had UCL surgery. I wouldn't want him carrying anyone's bags for a long time.

 

Maybe a carry on in his right hand, only.

[mvp 78]

Maybe a carry on in his right hand, only.

 

If you never balance the weight you are carrying, you're liable to wrench your back or spine. Very important to maintain proper load when carrying in the groceries, fellas.