Red Sox sign Lucas Giolito

[Bellhorn04]

Not true.

 

 

In the last week, the Sox have added 180 IP from Giolito and subtracted 50IP from Sale.

 

That’s a net gain…

 

It's not guaranteed. The quantity from Giolito needs to be coupled with some quality.

[notin]

It's not guaranteed. The quantity from Giolito needs to be coupled with some quality.

 

The Sox have upgraded their rotation with regards to the most important ability - availability…

[Randy Red Sox]

It's not guaranteed. The quantity from Giolito needs to be coupled with some quality.

 

Giolito gave up 43 bombs last yr. I hope they are reinforcing the Green Monster in preparation

[moonslav59]

Well I do not think Montgomery is a true #1 SP so I am not sure who you are thinking of. Obviously there is another moving coming on SP but right now our rotation is arguably worse than it was a week ago.

 

Sale might have a higher ceiling, but I would not say our rotation got worse by flipping Sale and Gio. At least we can expect 30 starts from Gio.

[moonslav59]

Not true.

 

 

In the last week, the Sox have added 180 IP from Giolito and subtracted 50IP from Sale.

 

That’s a net gain…

 

Only if Gio pitches better, and Sale goes 50 or less or 100-179.

[moonslav59]

The Sox have upgraded their rotation with regards to the most important ability - availability…

 

So, 2 more Pivettas and we’re all set!

[notin]

So, 2 more Pivettas and we’re all set!

 

Prefer 2 or 3 more pitchers capable of elite performance for 40-50IP?

 

Then you’re in luck. Soxprospects has already added Paxton to their 2024 projected roster! Maybe they know something!

[Old Red]

It's not guaranteed. The quantity from Giolito needs to be coupled with some quality.

 

Here’s a question to ponder now that the Red Sox have traded Sale, and saved $10M. Do you think they signed the Big G knowing they had the Sale deal in the works, and used the $10M for that, or do you think something big is going to be coming with the help with that extra $10M?

[Old Red]

Only if Gio pitches better, and Sale goes 50 or less or 100-179.

 

I predict Sale is going to have a mostly healthy year for the Braves,and because of that it will be a big year.

[Bellhorn04]

Here’s a question to ponder now that the Red Sox have traded Sale, and saved $10M. Do you think they signed the Big G knowing they had the Sale deal in the works, and used the $10M for that, or do you think something big is going to be coming with the help with that extra $10M?

 

I think something bigger is coming. (It sure as hell better be.)

[Bellhorn04]

I predict Sale is going to have a mostly healthy year for the Braves,and because of that it will be a big year.

 

The early word is they plan to really take it easy on him in the regular season. They want him for the postseason.

[notin]

I predict Sale is going to have a mostly healthy year for the Braves,and because of that it will be a big year.

 

For years, you’ve done nothing but call him Chris Frail and highlight his frequent injuries.

 

Now that he’s been traded, you’re all about “there’s a hole in the rotation no one can fill” and predicting healthy successes that you never predicted for him when he was in Boston and younger.

 

And had the Sox not traded him, we’d still be hearing about Chris Frail…

[Bellhorn04]

For years, you’ve done nothing but call him Chris Frail and highlight his frequent injuries.

 

Now that he’s been traded, you’re all about “there’s a hole in the rotation no one can fill” and predicting healthy successes that you never predicted for him when he was in Boston and younger.

 

And had the Sox not traded him, we’d still be hearing about Chris Frail…

 

As a wise woman once said: "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

[notin]

I predict Sale is going to have a mostly healthy year for the Braves,and because of that it will be a big year.

 

Not what you said in post 3640 when Sale was a member of the Red Sox.

 

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20823-A-Realistic-View-at-2024-Part-I?p=1580914#post1580914

[Old Red]

For years, you’ve done nothing but call him Chris Frail and highlight his frequent injuries.

 

Now that he’s been traded, you’re all about “there’s a hole in the rotation no one can fill” and predicting healthy successes that you never predicted for him when he was in Boston and younger.

 

And had the Sox not traded him, we’d still be hearing about Chris Frail…

 

I have called Sale Frail, and always ask the question when he pitches is this a Sale Day, or a For Sale Day. All well documented, and by the way others have called him Frail Sale too.

Where has ANYONE SAID that no one can fulfill Sale’s hole in the rotation? I haven’t, but it’s once again something you are making up to fill a narrative of yours. By the way was you asleep at the wheel when Cora explained in detail why he didn’t start Sale on opening day, or was you still hung up on the banning of the shift, or wondering if JT was signed for the bench. Sale is getting a fresh start with a new good team, and I just think he will end up having a good year. If you don’t like I’m hoping, and predicting that Sale with have a healthy, and good 2024, which obviously you don’t then TDB.

[Old Red]

Not what you said in post 3640 when Sale was a member of the Red Sox.

 

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20823-A-Realistic-View-at-2024-Part-I?p=1580914#post1580914

 

Bad luck with the Red Sox. Good luck with the Braves leads Sale to be a healthy boy. A change of scenery just might be what the doctor ordered.

[Old Red]

As a wise woman once said: "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

 

Or you do know what could have been when it’s done for someone else. Look I was all for the deal, but just not the $17M payment. I’m not a Sale fan, and I said it was a big mistake the day DD gave him the extension. It’s all a big nothing made up out of nothing.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Old Red

[notin]

Bad luck with the Red Sox. Good luck with the Braves leads Sale to be a healthy boy. A change of scenery just might be what the doctor ordered.

 

Then the Sox made the right move for both them and Sale…

[notin]

Or you do know what could have been when it’s done for someone else

 

At that point, Bellhorn paved paradise and put up a parking lot…

[Old Red]

Then the Sox made the right move for both them and Sale…

 

In my opinion except for the $17M payment. Yes!

[notin]

In my opinion except for the $17M payment. Yes!

 

Less money = less return. Would you have preferred. the Braves pay Sale’s whole deal and the Sox got back David Fletcher?

[moonslav59]

Prefer 2 or 3 more pitchers capable of elite performance for 40-50IP?

 

Then you’re in luck. Soxprospects has already added Paxton to their 2024 projected roster! Maybe they know something!

 

You act like 50 IP for Sale is a certainty.

 

I do value durability and do favor Giolito over Sale, and I’ve never wanted Gio.

 

I also value projected skill level.

 

I do t want Bello and 4 Gio/pivettas.

[moonslav59]

At that point, Bellhorn paved paradise and put up a parking lot…

 

Then, painted it black!

[Old Red]

Less money = less return. Would you have preferred. the Braves pay Sale’s whole deal and the Sox got back David Fletcher?

 

I’ve already answered that twice. I wouldn’t have care if the Red Sox got anything back from the Braves if they would have taken all of Sales contract too. That $27M could have been used to get something better than Grissom, or better yet better pitching.

[notin]

I’ve already answered that twice. I wouldn’t have care if the Red Sox got anything back from the Braves if they would have taken all of Sales contract too. That $27M could have been used to get something better than Grissom, or better yet better pitching.

 

Actually it very likely couldn’t have gotten anything better than the dirt cheap 3 pre-arb years of Grissom…

[notin]

Then, painted it black!

 

No, that was the red door he saw…

[Old Red]

Actually it very likely couldn’t have gotten anything better than the dirt cheap 3 pre-arb years of Grissom…

 

That’s just pure speculation. If Bloom had gotten rid of Sale, and his contract when he had a chance the Red Sox would have been better for it.

[notin]

That’s just pure speculation. If Bloom had gotten rid of Sale, and his contract when he had a chance the Red Sox would have been better for it.

 

 

It’s not speculation.

 

I think you grossly underestimate what $27mill gets you in MLB today. It wouldn’t have been enough to sign Reynaldo Lopez.

 

The following players signed deals under $27mill this year:

 

Nick Martinez, Kenta Maeda, Tyler Mahle, Frankie Montas, Jack Flaherty, Kyle Gibson.

 

And a slew of other less impressive names…

[Duran Is The Man]

Only if Gio pitches better, and Sale goes 50 or less or 100-179.

 

Watch Sale pitch 180 and Gio get hurt. 😂 that would be our luck.

[notin]

Watch Sale pitch 180 and Gio get hurt. that would be our luck.

 

That would be freakish bad luck. The opposite would be a history-based trend.

 

You can only act on the trend…