Predict the next front office

[Hugh2]

No joke just the sad facts. The report I got was Levine already had an interview, but was told last night he would not be moving forward.

 

Yes, it looks like he was not asked back for a second interview. We are one step closer to a new GM/CBO. This news seems like pretty normal stuff aside from everything else that has been going on.

[Bellhorn04]

The lack of candidates is speeding up the process and saving the Sox front office a lot of work.

 

There's always a bright side.

[mvp 78]

Yes, it looks like he was not asked back for a second interview. We are one step closer to a new GM/CBO. This news seems like pretty normal stuff aside from everything else that has been going on.

 

The Red Sox had family considerations to worry about and could not move forward with Levine.

[mvp 78]

The lack of candidates is speeding up the process and saving the Sox front office a lot of work.

 

There's always a bright side.

 

Maybe there'll be a nice dark horse candidate that we don't know about yet to gum up the works.

[Hugh2]

The lack of candidates is speeding up the process and saving the Sox front office a lot of work.

 

There's always a bright side.

 

Has this been a quick process? how long should it be taking???

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The lack of candidates is speeding up the process and saving the Sox front office a lot of work.

 

There's always a bright side.

 

They just want you to know they were in on everybody -- and anybody not interested for whatever reasons -- faith, family, franks and steins... well, those peeps just weren't cut out for Boston, and the Sox don't need ingrates. Not for the privilege of running the 15th top spender in baseball.

[sk7326]

I agree, totally. I'm not saying I liked the 5 year plan, if that's what we just went through.

 

The lying to the fans is worse than the losing, IMO, because at least we were building a better future, while losing (on paper, anyway.)

 

Losing Betts really sucked. Not even trying to replace his salary, as well as Porcello's and half-Price's for 2-3 years stung hard. When you look at a team like the Astros, they lost Springer, Cole and Correa, but had the pipeline set up, so the fans did not care, all that much, about losing their studs and playoff heroes.

 

Losing Bogey would not have been so bad, had we not lost Betts.

 

They also kept Bregman and Altuve (the most beloved of the playoff heroes). They also are not the Red Sox - which sounds both snotty but creates a certain amount of expectation that is entirely justifiable.

[sk7326]

Is he legit enough of a candidate? He's never been a GM or worked in the office on a day to day basis.

 

Newton is on the Green Line - so he's easy to find.

 

That said, he has worked in tha Theo-built front office. So perhaps acclimation to this front office and practices whatever will be easier. I dunno.

[sk7326]

I will say Breslow being pegged as the frontrunner makes me think the Sox are going to land on someone off the board or just go with Romero.

[mvp 78]

From Speier:

 

Sources: Red Sox offered Craig Breslow job as head of baseball operations

[notin]

Has this been a quick process? how long should it be taking???

 

Actually it have been too bad. As long as they have someone hired before the World Series ends their fine…

[Hugh2]

I win!!!!!!

[vegasbob]

So why not Breslow? Only thing I can come up with is that he is a Yale grad like the last guy that got fired recently. On the other hand he did pitch in MLB, so may actually be able to recognize and/or develop pitching talent, unlike the other guy.

 

Since all other place holders in the musical chairs FO and dugout, get to keep their positions what difference would a new head of BOps make anyway ?

[Bellhorn04]

I win!!!!!!

 

Nope, I do, with the CBO pick at least.

[Hugh2]

Nope, I do, with the CBO pick at least.

 

Fair

[moonslav59]

So why not Breslow? Only thing I can come up with is that he is a Yale grad like the last guy that got fired recently. On the other hand he did pitch in MLB, so may actually be able to recognize and/or develop pitching talent, unlike the other guy.

 

Since all other place holders in the musical chairs FO and dugout, get to keep their positions what difference would a new head of BOps make anyway ?

 

A few coaches are gone. We will have a few new faces on the '24 team.

 

I think it's enough to change the culture of losing.

 

Not much will matter, if we stay $10M below the tax line and don't allow a decent prospect to be traded.

[Old Red]

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Bloom was told a decent prospect couldn’t be traded, and the fact that one wasn’t under the failed Bloom regime was a result of Bloom’s decision making and nothing to do with orders from JH.

[moonslav59]

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Bloom was told a decent prospect couldn’t be traded, and the fact that one wasn’t under the failed Bloom regime was a result of Bloom’s decision making and nothing to do with orders from JH.

 

No, there isn't. You are right.

 

It might have been all Bloom's call. They rarely made trades like that in TB, so maybe that was just "his thing."

 

One aspect does kind of support the idea that it might have been a directive or "strong guideline" put in place by higher ups: DD stopped trading top prospects after the Sale trade. If you want to count the #6 Beeks for Nate at the 2018 deadline, then it stopped after that. I'm pretty sure DD probably wanted to replace Kimbrell and Kelly after 2018, and the budget seemed to be frozen, so my guess is, he wanted to make a trade but did not.

 

Just a guess. It fits DD's profile. No proof.

 

Not making any major prospect trades for the last 2 years of DD's regime seems telling, to me, but it's just an opinion. The Sale trade was Dec 2016- almost 8 years ago!

 

The biggest trades since then?

 

#6 Beeks for Nate- summer '18

#9 Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber- summer '21

 

I'm curious, if Breslow will pull the trigger on a big prospect trade, or not.

[moonslav59]

... the fact that one wasn’t under the failed Bloom regime was a result of Bloom’s decision making and nothing to do with orders from JH.

 

There is no evidence to say he wasn't told, either. You state this as a "fact." I stated mine as an opinion, and have often agreed, there is no evidence to support it, OR NOT.

[mvp 78]

There is no evidence to say he wasn't told, either. You state this as a "fact." I stated mine as an opinion, and have often agreed, there is no evidence to support it, OR NOT.

 

So Henry didn't tell Bloom if he could trade a prospect or not, so Bloom just decided to not trade prospects so he has no culpability for it and it's all Henry's fault for lack of communication?

[notin]

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Bloom was told a decent prospect couldn’t be traded, and the fact that one wasn’t under the failed Bloom regime was a result of Bloom’s decision making and nothing to do with orders from JH.

 

There’s no evidence for “A” so that proves “B”!!!

 

We don’t know Bloom’s marching orders. All we have are theories…

[Old Red]

There’s no evidence for “A” so that proves “B”!!!

 

We don’t know Bloom’s marching orders. All we have are theories…

 

No evidence for A, or B, but the A has been spouted on more then anything on here to make it look like JH was holding Bloom back on what he could, or couldn’t do when it came to prospects. It’s my opinion, and nothing else that it was all on Bloom who couldn’t pull the trigger.

[Old Red]

So Henry didn't tell Bloom if he could trade a prospect or not, so Bloom just decided to not trade prospects so he has no culpability for it and it's all Henry's fault for lack of communication?

 

It fitted a narrative to take the blame off Bloom. It worked for some.

[notin]

No evidence for A, or B, but the A has been spouted on more then anything on here to make it look like JH was holding Bloom back on what he could, or couldn’t do when it came to prospects. It’s my opinion, and nothing else that it was all on Bloom who couldn’t pull the trigger.

 

Do we have any posts where someone said Henry told Bloom not to trade prospects? Anyone?

Edited October 25, 2023 by notin

[Old Red]

Do we have over Post where someone said Henry told abloom not to trade prospects? Anyone?

 

abloom wilted on the vine.🤭

[moonslav59]

So Henry didn't tell Bloom if he could trade a prospect or not, so Bloom just decided to not trade prospects so he has no culpability for it and it's all Henry's fault for lack of communication?

 

I have no idea what your question means or how it relates to the point I made.

 

IMO, upper management did not want us to trade away top prospects after the Sale trade. Whether it was a firm mandate, a strong guideline or just a suggestion is unknown. Maybe they didn't care, at all.

 

We did make several vet for prospect deals.

Almost all of our trade for a vet, included a prospect with them (Wong with Betts, Seabold w Pivetta, German w Ottavino, DHam w JBJ, Rosier w Hosmer....) Although this is a separate issue, is does point to the idea that building up the farm was a high priority- perhaps more so than building up the 26 man roster.

 

It could just be a general top priority to build up the farm, and Bloom took that to an extreme that JH did not demand.

[notin]

abloom wilted on the vine.

 

So I can assume no posts and you’re just making up a backstory to fit your rhetoric again?

[moonslav59]

No evidence for A, or B, but the A has been spouted on more then anything on here to make it look like JH was holding Bloom back on what he could, or couldn’t do when it came to prospects. It’s my opinion, and nothing else that it was all on Bloom who couldn’t pull the trigger.

 

My position that the no top prospect trades guideline or mandate was never meant as any sort of excuse for Bloom, anymore than it was one for DD's last 2 years.

 

I was actually okay with the idea until this past winter and offseason, so I'm not excuse making. I liked the idea, until I felt we were close enough to make the jump.

[moonslav59]

Do we have any posts where someone said Henry told Bloom not to trade prospects? Anyone?

 

I have said, I think Bloom may have been told not to trade top prospects or to try hard to avoid it, in so many words. I have clearly said, it was just my opinion, and that the fact that no top prospects were traded by DD, in his last 2 years, shows there seemed to be a sea change in that area from the 13 months up to the Sale trade.

 

I do not think it's some wild theory to think the organization made farm building the top or one of the top priorities of the organization from the end of 2018 to now, or at least 2019 to 2023. It's just a theory, and I have never stated it as fact.

[moonslav59]

No evidence for A, or B, but the A has been spouted on more then anything on here to make it look like JH was holding Bloom back on what he could, or couldn’t do when it came to prospects. It’s my opinion, and nothing else that it was all on Bloom who couldn’t pull the trigger.

 

Certainly, there is a chance big prospects could have been traded, but chose not to, or came close but blew it or chickened out.

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for Bloom. The only thing I really like about Bloom is his apparent building up of the farm and 40 man roster depth. Had he traded top prospects, that part might look worse, and know him, he might have blown such a trade.

 

This is not about making Bloom look better. It's about why I think no top prospects were traded by DD or Bloom for 6 years.

 

2 GMs: one owner.