A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

True the reclamation project could go either way.

 

And our rotation was mainly made up of projects already.

[moonslav59]

Luzardo - surplus value $63.3mill with three seasons of control remaining…

 

Mayer ($44.5), Perales ($3.5), and Mata ($2.3) is just as short at $50.3 mil as it looks in real life.

 

BTV accepts Mayer ($44.5), Teel ($17.8), and Luis Guerrero ($1.5) for a total of $63.8. It looks more realistic as well, but I have no idea if Miami accepts…

 

I would not add Teel.

They would probably not want Yorke.

Other BTV additions to my initial offer that bring it close to even would be:

Rafaela

Schreiber

Winckowski.

 

Or just offer:

Mayer

Houck or Crawford

Mata

 

Or

Mayer

Duran

for Luzardo and someone else, maybe Berti (can play 2B & OF)

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[moonslav59]

And our rotation was mainly made up of projects already.

 

Our pattern has not changed, except maybe Giolito offers more hope than:

M Perez

Richards

Kluber

(Wacha & Hill did OK)

[moonslav59]

… but with the caveat that this team desperately needs infield help on defense…

 

I don’t disagree. I do think it will be somewhat better than 2023, if…

Story stays healthy

We add a decent defensive 2Bman (O would be nice)

Casas improves (not a sure thing)

[Bellhorn04]

Our pattern has not changed, except maybe Giolito offers more hope than:

M Perez

Richards

Kluber

(Wacha & Hill did OK)

 

Yes, definitely maybe.

[moonslav59]

I’m not sure we will spend the $37M or so we have left to stay under the tax line. Staying $5-9M under seems to be a common thing, lately, so maybe $30M might be what Brez still has to work with- emphasis on “might.”

 

That’s a lot of money, especially if we focus it on adding just 2 players. IMO, SP2 and 2B jump out as the highest need areas. A trade could fill one or allow us to fill 3 higher need slots.

 

I know tge rumours have us out of the Monty race and maybe Luke warm on Snell, but $37M might be enough to add Monty or Snell plus Chapman. Trade for Polanco or Drury might put us over.

 

Monty or Snell plus polanco or Drury certainly works.

 

Stroman or Imanaga

Chapman

Polanco or Drury would leave us under the tax line.

 

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[moonslav59]

Yes, definitely maybe.

 

He’s a risk. That’s not a maybe.

[mvp 78]

Trading Mayer and Teel for Luzardo? Nah. He’s a nice #2, not an ace.

[notin]

Trading Mayer and Teel for Luzardo? Nah. He’s a nice #2, not an ace.

 

I’d pass, too. But if I am Miami, I’m not trading Luzardo for Mayer and Perales. (Mata adds nothing.)

[Old Red]

And our rotation was mainly made up of projects already.

 

It will be interesting to see how Bello turns out this year, and with Frail it’s not a question of if, but when he’s on the IL. The rest are all up in the air, and can go either way, so projects pretty much sums things up.

[notin]

And our rotation was mainly made up of projects already.

 

I think it’s a little odd some view Giolito as a reclamation project but also view Wacha as a sure thing…

[mvp 78]

I’d pass, too. But if I am Miami, I’m not trading Luzardo for Mayer and Perales. (Mata adds nothing.)

 

Miami has a rough farm system right now and needs a little of everything. Wonder if they’d rather a grab bag of 5 guys with good ceilings and an MLB starter (Wikelman, Perales, Yorke, Bleis and Crawford).

[mvp 78]

I think it’s a little odd some view Giolito as a reclamation project but also view Wacha as a sure thing…

 

Gio has the higher ceiling. Wacha will undoubtedly see IL time. Wacha just had that nice early season stretch that some people popped boners over.

[Old Red]

Trading Mayer and Teel for Luzardo? Nah. He’s a nice #2, not an ace.

 

What’s a nice #2 these days, and what is a nice #1, or Ace?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Gio has the higher ceiling.

 

Trending the past two years? At least those here who liked the Kluber acquisition a year ago -- there were a few -- tried to point out that Klubes was better at pitching in '22 than Wacha.

 

So sick of projects. Five years is like half a decade.

 

It's cool when they rebound and boost clubs into contention: Tiant, Wakefield... uh, that's all I got -- in over half a Red Sox century.

 

Eovaldi blossomed, got hurt again, and battled back in Boston to top the rotation into the stud that some of us knew he was; then the Sox let him go. Wacha and Paxton were good for fifth-place teams.

[moonslav59]

I’d pass, too. But if I am Miami, I’m not trading Luzardo for Mayer and Perales. (Mata adds nothing.)

 

 

I updated possible offers

[notin]

Trending the past two years? At least those here who liked the Kluber acquisition a year ago -- there were a few -- tried to point out that Klubes was better at pitching in '22 than Wacha.

 

So sick of projects. Five years is like half a decade.

 

It's cool when they rebound and boost clubs into contention: Tiant, Wakefield... uh, that's all I got -- in over half a Red Sox century.

 

Eovaldi blossomed, got hurt again, and battled back in Boston to top the rotation into the stud that some of us knew he was; then the Sox let him go. Wacha and Paxton were good for fifth-place teams.

 

Bret Saberhagen, Greg Harris…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bret Saberhagen, Greg Harris…

 

Wasn't Harris a righty and a lefty? A unicorndog!

[Bellhorn04]

Gio has the higher ceiling. Wacha will undoubtedly see IL time. Wacha just had that nice early season stretch that some people popped boners over.

 

No boners here, but Wacha has had 2 decent seasons in a row, totalling 5.7 bWAR or 4.1 fWAR.

 

Wacha's price tag did take a hefty leap this year, though.

[moonslav59]

Trending the past two years? At least those here who liked the Kluber acquisition a year ago -- there were a few -- tried to point out that Klubes was better at pitching in '22 than Wacha.

 

So sick of projects. Five years is like half a decade.

 

It's cool when they rebound and boost clubs into contention: Tiant, Wakefield... uh, that's all I got -- in over half a Red Sox century.

 

Eovaldi blossomed, got hurt again, and battled back in Boston to top the rotation into the stud that some of us knew he was; then the Sox let him go. Wacha and Paxton were good for fifth-place teams.

 

I’m with you on the project thing, but if we add a top pitcher, Gio is a good secondary get.

 

On Nate, I loved the guy, but he was not a horse. He only started over 23 games in one of the 4 seasons of that 4 year contract:

23/33

9/12

32/33

20/33

 

84/111 is75% of available starts.

[mvp 78]

No boners here, but Wacha has had 2 decent seasons in a row, totalling 5.7 bWAR or 4.1 fWAR.

 

Wacha's price tag did take a hefty leap this year, though.

 

16M is too much for him IMO.

[mvp 78]

What’s a nice #2 these days, and what is a nice #1, or Ace?

 

Luzardo is a nice 2 as I said. A pitcher like Cole is an ace.

[Old Red]

Luzardo is a nice 2 as I said. A pitcher like Cole is an ace.

 

I get Cole is an ace, but how many more aces are there really out there?

[Bellhorn04]

I get Cole is an ace, but how many more aces are there really out there?

 

Just use the Bellhorn Ace Identification System.

 

If he's a slam dunk Hall of Famer or at least a strong candidate, and he's healthy, and he's been in good form recently, then he's an ace.

[moonslav59]

Luzardo is a nice 2 as I said. A pitcher like Cole is an ace.

 

I see him as a solid 2 with a chance to become a #1.

 

He might be close to the best SPer with 3 or more years of control that is a realistic trade candidate.

 

Would you trade Duran and Mayer for Luzardi and Berti, then sigh Teoscar to play LF?

[notin]

Luzardo is a nice 2 as I said. A pitcher like Cole is an ace.

 

Easy to pick a Cy Young winner. Who is the lowest ranked ace?

[moonslav59]

Easy to pick a Cy Young winner. Who is the lowest ranked ace?

 

Are we going to revisit the wide array viewpoints on who is an ace or #1?

[moonslav59]

So, as of now, our 13 opening day pitching staff might be…

 

S1 Bello

S2 Giolito

S3 Crawford

S4 Pivetta

S5 Houck

 

R1 Jansen

R2 Martin

R3 Winckowski

R4 Whitlock

R5 Schreiber

R6 Slaten (rule 5)

R7 Mata (out of options)

 

The pen have good depth at AAA:

Campbell

Murphy

Kelly

Weissert

Fitts

Guerrero

I think I’m forgetting someone

 

[notin]

So, as of now, our 13 opening day pitching staff might be…

 

S1 Bello

S2 Giolito

S3 Crawford

S4 Pivetta

S5 Houck

 

R1 Jansen

R2 Martin

R3 Winckowski

R4 Whitlock

R5 Schreiber

R6 Slaten (rule 5)

R7 Mata (out of options)

 

The pen have good depth at AAA:

Campbell

Murphy

Kelly

Weissert

Fitts

Guerrero

I think I’m forgetting someone

 

 

Bernardino…

[Larry Cook]

So, as of now, our 13 opening day pitching staff might be…

 

S1 Bello

S2 Giolito

S3 Crawford

S4 Pivetta

S5 Houck

 

R1 Jansen

R2 Martin

R3 Winckowski

R4 Whitlock

R5 Schreiber

R6 Slaten (rule 5)

R7 Mata (out of options)

 

The pen have good depth at AAA:

Campbell

Murphy

Kelly

Weissert

Fitts

Guerrero

I think I’m forgetting someone

 

 

If we sign a starter, we risk losing one of your top 13!

 

Maybe bres-slow is working on a trade. Houck or Crawford and Duran and Valdez is a nice start. Yorke and Mayer are fine additions!! Hello cease?? Or hello Cabrera????

 

Ps: what happened to the barracini guy?